A rush to judgement?

[Brefie]

Until this case is solved all have to go on is our gut feeling, and not everyone thinks the same, so there are going to be people for the McCanns and people against them, we all come to different conclusions from what we read and the actions we see. My gut feeling is the MCanns were involved in Madelaines disappearance, but we have not enough evidence at this stage to prove it, and also to not prove their innocence. I dont think we have all the information that the LE have, so we play the waiting game, while the LE try and solve this horrid crime.

I think what we should remember, is that just b/c people like MOI think they are innocent of killing and disposing of their child, does not make me pro McCann. Then we would have to assume I am not condemning them for leaving their kids alone, which I do and have pointed out several times.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

[Shazza]

I think what we should remember, is that just b/c people like MOI think they are innocent of killing and disposing of their child, does not make me pro McCann. Then we would have to assume I am not condemning them for leaving their kids alone, which I do and have pointed out several times.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I personally did not say you were pro cann, or assume you are not condemning the McCanns for leaving their children alone, I am stating that there are many out there who are, and we all percieve things differently, I have no problem with term innocent until proved guilty, at this stage noone has been found guilty, but I do not think the McCanns are innocent, it is just my thoughts and opinion, doesnt mean I am right.

 

[ceeaura]

I don't think I have rushed to judgement at all.I do think the parents had something to do with Madeleine going missing.

With that said I don't harp on that here.I do read everyones post with an open mind.I also like reading other peoples thoughts,feelings and theories.I for one am glad we have people who think guilty,not guilty and fence sitters here who post.It gets me thinking "what if".Maybe I will read someones thoughts and feelings and get back on the fence or believe they are not guilty.(I really wish I could feel they were not guilty)

One thing I will not do is bash anyone here or make snide comments to other people for posting their thoughts or feelings.Past couple of weeks we have seen some mocking/baiting going on and that is really sad.This is a very sad and heartbreaking situation with Madeleine,no matter which way it goes.We should try and respect each other more.

Brefie,
Not saying this to offend.This is just my opinion Innocent until proven guilty....in the court of law.I am not the court nor on the jury so If I think guilty , my opinion does not count for nothing at all.Just my opinion which I state on a discussion board.

If I saw them walking down the street I am not going to go shouting guilty at them and throw veggies either.I have not bashed them at all.

Sorry all I am rambling am tired.So hope I made sense

 

[Salem]

Ceeaura - you made complete sense to me and I couldn't agree more.

On another point - I do continue to harp on the fact that the McCanns left three babies unattended. I won't apologize for that. It completely blows my mind that two doctors could do such a thing.

But that is not why I think they are involved in Maddie's disappearance. If it would have been the only night the Mc's left them unattended, then I might be more suspicious of that fact. However, given that they apparently did it every night after their first night on holiday, I don't think it means anything more than that they were very irresponsible.

I believe they are involved because of their demeanor during the very first interview they did with that British reporter. I believe they are involved because of the way they went immediately to lawyers and "campaign financing" and how those things took over, and they never went back to the "find maddie" until they were named suspects. I believe they are involved because none of the stories matched up, none of the timelines match, and they could never get the distance to the Tapas bar right. I believe they are involved because Kate left the twins alone after finding Maddie gone. I believe they are involved because they claimed the windows and shutters were tampered with, and the police, including some British specialist totally disclaimed such a possibility.

Now, I will allow that all of those things are debatable on several different fronts and that's okay. I debate them with myself.... I really want Maddie to be found alive and unharmed. To that end, I search the news every day for something other than the gross media BS that is being put out right now. I pray that the PLE will continue with searches for both a live Maddie and, well, you know........

I also read here everyday, and post occasionally for both news, opinions, thoughts and just sharing.

Salem

 

[Brefie]

I personally did not say you were pro cann, or assume you are not condemning the McCanns for leaving their children alone, I am stating that there are many out there who are, and we all percieve things differently, I have no problem with term innocent until proved guilty, at this stage noone has been found guilty, but I do not think the McCanns are innocent, it is just my thoughts and opinion, doesnt mean I am right.

No, you did not. Sorry if it seemed like I thought you had said that.

 

[Brefie]

I don't think I have rushed to judgement at all.I do think the parents had something to do with Madeleine going missing.

With that said I don't harp on that here.I do read everyones post with an open mind.I also like reading other peoples thoughts,feelings and theories.I for one am glad we have people who think guilty,not guilty and fence sitters here who post.It gets me thinking "what if".Maybe I will read someones thoughts and feelings and get back on the fence or believe they are not guilty.(I really wish I could feel they were not guilty)

One thing I will not do is bash anyone here or make snide comments to other people for posting their thoughts or feelings.Past couple of weeks we have seen some mocking/baiting going on and that is really sad.This is a very sad and heartbreaking situation with Madeleine,no matter which way it goes.We should try and respect each other more.

Brefie,
Not saying this to offend.This is just my opinion Innocent until proven guilty....in the court of law.I am not the court nor on the jury so If I think guilty , my opinion does not count for nothing at all.Just my opinion which I state on a discussion board.

If I saw them walking down the street I am not going to go shouting guilty at them and throw veggies either.I have not bashed them at all.

Sorry all I am rambling am tired.So hope I made sense

You did. And you're right, on this board anyone's opinion goes.

 

[Dr. Creepin]

Sometimes I think I've been duped into blaming the McCann's, it would take the heat off the real perpetrator, but then, 80% of people believe they have something to hide, namely, a body. We can't all be wrong... I'd like to think it's the other 20% who are gullible morons. Then I remind myself that I have suspected this couple from day one, long before the media got into gear and none of the "evidence" I have gathered comes from tabloid journalists, but from the McCann's own mouths. For example, Kate said, "Police didn't want a murder in Portugal." Who said anything about murder? Only Kate! Gerry said on the Sky interview, "We did grieve, we have grieved." (Past tense) Meaning, they are over it! They have contradicted themselves so many times and been uncooperative during questioning. I believe detectives, who have all the facts, have a very clear picture of what happened to Madeleine that evening, they just can't prove it conclusively. The only thing which will convince me otherwise, is if the child turns up.

 

[Shazza]

No, you did not. Sorry if it seemed like I thought you had said that.

Hey this is what this forum is about, bouncing of each other, putting different ideas and opinions out there for discussion, as I read in another thread, we posters shouldnt critize each other, if you dont agree, just state what you think and leave it at that, we are all trying to figure out what could have happened to Madelaine, I truly hope my opinion is wrong, I would be the first to apologise, but we dont know yet as to what happened to Madelaine, until then we should all work together and maybe figure out what may have happened, we are all from various parts of the world and I have learnt a lot about different laws in different parts of the world, I pretty much thought the Australian laws were the same world wide, its been a learning curve for me, but a sad one and I do get emotional, but how can you help it when you see that beautiful smiling face of Madelaine, she just melts your heart.

 

[narlacat]

Worth the read---possibly worth a discussion.
Article written by Father Jonathan Morris

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297598,00.html

SNIP

Rushing to Judgment about Madeleine McCann's Disappearance


Portuguese police have resumed search efforts for Madeleine McCann.
This is good news for Kate and Gerry McCann who had been named suspects in the alleged death of their 5-year-old daughter. The McCanns have defended their innocence vigorously and have pleaded with police not to abandon the search for Madeleine.
The Times of London reports today that a source close to the Portuguese public prosecutor, Luis Bilro Verao, says the case against the McCanns has come to an “impasse.”
Little consolation, I imagine, for Kate and Gerry. They know their names will never be cleared until Madeleine is found — doubt will always linger. It’s the way we’re wired.
Do you remember the moment you heard the news about their alleged involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance?

There are still people that believe Lindy Chamberlain killed her baby- when in reality she was cleared and a dingo took her baby.
She was persecuted by the media who labelled her insensitive and uncaring about what happened to Azaria, people hated her because she didn't seem to be crying enough and showing enough grief.
They found blood in the boot of their car- which 6 years later proved to be car fluid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance

The similarities between these two couples are startling, both devout Christians, both were on holiday when their child disappeared and both had 2 other children.
More at link.

 

[Shazza]

There are still people that believe Lindy Chamberlain killed her baby- when in reality she was cleared and a dingo took her baby.
She was persecuted by the media who labelled her insensitive and uncaring about what happened to Azaria, people hated her because she didn't seem to be crying enough and showing enough grief.
They found blood in the boot of their car- which 6 years later proved to be car fluid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance

The similarities between these two couples are startling, both devout Christians, both were on holiday when their child disappeared and both had 2 other children.
More at link.

IMO the Lindy Chamberlain case is totally different from the McCann case, as you said the similarities are they have 2 other children and their child went missing whilst on holiday.

 

[narlacat]

IMO the Lindy Chamberlain case is totally different from the McCann case, as you said the similarities are they have 2 other children and their child went missing whilst on holiday.

How do you think they are totally different?- what are some differences in your opinion?



Lindy sees the similarites:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22385670-5006016,00.html

 

[Shazza]

How do you think they are totally different?- what are some differences in your opinion?



Lindy sees the similarites:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22385670-5006016,00.html

Read the Madelaine forum, its all there, I dont have the time.

 

[narlacat]

Read the Madelaine forum, its all there, I dont have the time.

You stated - "IMO the Lindy Chamberlain case is totally different from the McCann case"

I am curious to how they are different as I only see the similarites.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Read the Madelaine forum, its all there, I dont have the time.

It's been a long time since I was familiar with the Lindy case, but you are right, naming the only similarities. Two families on vacation, two children turned up missing. To me that's where the similarities end.

No doubt, the police did a terrible job in the Dingo case, that does happen sometimes, we all know that. Sad, dishonorable, the whole nine yards. Thank goodness she was cleared, and the case was solved. But, fairly to the police, the dis-honorable man that found the dingo with the child caused this case to pivot in the direction it did. Had he told the truth, this story would have a whole different story line and content.

Maddy was persistently left in harms way by the parents, night after night. Even after their own daughters protests, employees and guests of the people involved in the actual real time events as they were unfolding daily.

There has been no rush to judgement in this case at all. No, not any. The police investigated and continue to investigate the very persons they should be investigating until they can prove their not involved. They haven't been ruled out. They could have taken lie detectors. They've not been forth coming completely with police.

The parents had all reasons to cover up their actions, even if their not guilty of her disappearance. They knew their choices of leaving the kids alone we be in question immediately upon something occurring to the children after being left alone and unprotected.

They should be investigated thoroughly just as anyone else who comes onto the radar screen. All leads should be investigated. The parents are the police and publics best lead to date. Stay on the trail. Til the trail goes cold, that's basic police 101.

 

[Shazza]

You stated - "IMO the Lindy Chamberlain case is totally different from the McCann case"

I am curious to how they are different as I only see the similarites.

The answer is in you statement, you only see the similarites, which means being similar, a point, feature. etc in which things are similar.
I see differences, such as locations, the McCanns leaving their children alone, McCanns lies, changing their statements, at least Lindy Chamberlains story was the same throughout, whereas the McCanns change theirs to suit themselves, the Chamberlains preferred to stay out of the limelight, they did not bring attention upon themselves, they did not jetset around the world, there are so many differences in my opinion, but as I stated before I dont have time to explain every difference as I would be here forever.

 

[SleuthMom]

Rush to judgment? I don't think so. Mr. and Mrs. Mc Cann were named arguidos (official suspects) in their daughter's disappearance. This is not our imagination but the police naming them as such. Now, if a lot of posters do not trust the police for this or that then it does not make any sense. It is the police who gathers the evidence and then a Judge who lays charged IF there is enough evidence.

We do not know exactly what the police has BUT we know there IS enough evidence to have made them official suspects in the first place which means, 100% innocence does not seem to be there at the moment.

So based on these facts and others, to think the Mc Canns are involved in Maddie's disappearance it is not a rush in judgment.

 

[csds703]

How do you think they are totally different?- what are some differences in your opinion?



Lindy sees the similarites:

[URL="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22385670-5006016,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22385670-5006016,00.html[/URL]

THERE are some uncanny and what may soon become disturbing similarities between the Madeleine McCann case and what happened in Australia 27 years ago.
Then, of course, we had our own mystery -- the disappearance of Azaria Chantel Loren Chamberlain. Then, too, we had the charging of her mother, Lindy, with murder and her father, Michael, with being an accessory to that murder.
The similarities to the McCann case are eerie: the Chamberlains were convicted after what was thought to be a baby's blood was found in a car. The McCanns could face a similar ordeal. In both cases police forces faced enormous pressure to make an arrest. With both Azaria and Maddy, there was no motive, no weapon, no body and no confession -- four of the critical elements in any murder case.
Those are the obvious similarities and, as with Azaria, it is becoming increasingly certain that Madeleine will never be found. There are also uncomfortable comparisons with the death of JonBenet Ramsay, whose parents became the chief suspects after her unsolved murder in the US in 1996.
Madeleine's parents have been accused though, at the time of writing, not yet formally charged. It was the same soon after that cold August night at Ayers Rock in 1980. The couple had not been charged then, but they stood accused -- by the police -- when, without checking, they accepted the word of a caller that Azaria meant "sacrifice in the wilderness" and, on putting down the phone, turned to the media and said: "We've got a murder on our hands."
That, as we now know, was a horrendous mistake.
Even so, as of yesterday, other similarities have begun to surface. The mob, as it did here more than 20 years ago, is beginning to bay in judgment. And if the pattern persists, we could again witness more of the ugly side of humanity as we did when:

 

[csds703]

Rush to judgment? I don't think so. Mr. and Mrs. Mc Cann were named arguidos (official suspects) in their daughter's disappearance. This is not our imagination but the police naming them as such. Now, if a lot of posters do not trust the police for this or that then it does not make any sense. It is the police who gathers the evidence and then a Judge who lays charged IF there is enough evidence.

We do not know exactly what the police has BUT we know there IS enough evidence to have made them official suspects in the first place which means, 100% innocence does not seem to be there at the moment.

So based on these facts and others, to think the Mc Canns are involved in Maddie's disappearance it is not a rush in judgment.

Actually we don't know any of this. We know it's a botched police investigation with alot of leaks to the press.
While the mob mentality is focusing only on the McCann's the real truth is slipping away.

 

[Shazza]

Actually we don't know any of this. We know it's a botched police investigation with alot of leaks to the press.
While the mob mentality is focusing only on the McCann's the real truth is slipping away.

The real truth is in the hands of the prosecutor csds, none of us know what they have yet, hopefully there will be a trial and we will find out the truth.

 

[csds703]

The real truth is in the hands of the prosecutor csds, none of us know what they have yet, hopefully there will be a trial and we will find out the truth.

That's what we all hope for.