Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #183

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Barbara says twice that “it is her understanding” that the bullet was found during a second search. I did not watch the entire video. Does she provide a source for her understanding?
Maybe BMcD will provide the information in her supposed upcoming book? I bet the market will be flooded with book, tv series, interviews and specials after the trial. I can name 5 off the top of my head that probably have a manuscript ready, just waiting to fill in the Guilty - Not Guilty part.

#Justice4Abby&Libby - Always

MOO
 
Are you sure about that?
I know Carroll Co said they couldn't transport him but I don't remember Cass saying that.
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The newly-elected sheriff testified Thursday that he is concerned about his department’s ability to safely transport Allen between the Cass County jail and the Carroll County courthouse. Liggett said that 15-mile transport would be challenging due to the added security and manpower that would be required.

During the pre-trial hearing, when asked if Cass County is still willing to accept Allen at his jail, Cass County Sheriff Ed Schroder bluntly told the court “I don’t want him” due to the extra hassles and security concerns of housing an inmate in a high-profile murder case. But the sheriff quickly added that his large, modern facility is well-suited to house Allen, and Schroder said he would accept the defendant if ordered to do so by the judge

Delphi murders defendant Richard Allen living in 8x12 prison cell under suicide watch and 24-hour video surveillance
 
We'll see.

I suspect the Indiana Supreme Court might have a problem with it, too. Especially when they learn that Cass Co. had the ability to keep him safe and agreed to take him.
But did they have the mental health personal to deal with RA's needs? His attorneys have said that RA entered Westville already dealing with some of those issues. I don't think Cass County Jail or any county jail most likely would have the mental health personnel needed?
 
Are you sure about that?
I know Carroll Co said they couldn't transport him but I don't remember Cass saying that.
Carroll said they couldn’t safely transport RA. Cass didn’t want him.

Earlier this year, Rozzi attempted to make arrangements for Allen to be moved to the Cass County jail, just 20 minutes from Delphi. That move was not opposed by either the prosecutor or the judge, but the plan never materialized due to opposition from Carroll County Sheriff Tony Liggett, Rozzi suggested.

The newly-elected sheriff testified Thursday that he is concerned about his department’s ability to safely transport Allen between the Cass County jail and the Carroll County courthouse. Liggett said that 15-mile transport would be challenging due to the added security and manpower that would be required.

During the pre-trial hearing, when asked if Cass County is still willing to accept Allen at his jail, Cass County Sheriff Ed Schroder bluntly told the court “I don’t want him” due to the extra hassles and security concerns of housing an inmate in a high-profile murder case. But the sheriff quickly added that his large, modern facility is well-suited to house Allen, and Schroder said he would accept the defendant if ordered to do so by the judge.

Schroder also said he would likely house Allen in an individual suicide-watch padded cell that is video monitored by jail staff. Any transportation would be the responsibility of Carroll County, the sheriff explained. If Allen is moved to a county jail, both the Indiana Department of Corrections and Indiana State Police are being considered as possible options for transports based on Carroll County’s staffing limitations.

 
Carroll said they couldn’t safely transport RA. Cass didn’t want him.

Earlier this year, Rozzi attempted to make arrangements for Allen to be moved to the Cass County jail, just 20 minutes from Delphi. That move was not opposed by either the prosecutor or the judge, but the plan never materialized due to opposition from Carroll County Sheriff Tony Liggett, Rozzi suggested.

The newly-elected sheriff testified Thursday that he is concerned about his department’s ability to safely transport Allen between the Cass County jail and the Carroll County courthouse. Liggett said that 15-mile transport would be challenging due to the added security and manpower that would be required.

During the pre-trial hearing, when asked if Cass County is still willing to accept Allen at his jail, Cass County Sheriff Ed Schroder bluntly told the court “I don’t want him” due to the extra hassles and security concerns of housing an inmate in a high-profile murder case. But the sheriff quickly added that his large, modern facility is well-suited to house Allen, and Schroder said he would accept the defendant if ordered to do so by the judge.

Schroder also said he would likely house Allen in an individual suicide-watch padded cell that is video monitored by jail staff. Any transportation would be the responsibility of Carroll County, the sheriff explained. If Allen is moved to a county jail, both the Indiana Department of Corrections and Indiana State Police are being considered as possible options for transports based on Carroll County’s staffing limitations.

hah, I linked the same article above.
 
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The newly-elected sheriff testified Thursday that he is concerned about his department’s ability to safely transport Allen between the Cass County jail and the Carroll County courthouse. Liggett said that 15-mile transport would be challenging due to the added security and manpower that would be required.

During the pre-trial hearing, when asked if Cass County is still willing to accept Allen at his jail, Cass County Sheriff Ed Schroder bluntly told the court “I don’t want him” due to the extra hassles and security concerns of housing an inmate in a high-profile murder case. But the sheriff quickly added that his large, modern facility is well-suited to house Allen, and Schroder said he would accept the defendant if ordered to do so by the judge

Delphi murders defendant Richard Allen living in 8x12 prison cell under suicide watch and 24-hour video surveillance
Transportation was not likely a problem. Where will they house him during the trial?
(snips) Article dated June 2023
Any transportation would be the responsibility of Carroll County, the sheriff explained. If Allen is moved to a county jail, both the Indiana Department of Corrections and Indiana State Police are being considered as possible options for transports based on Carroll County’s staffing limitations.
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He also said the prosecutor failed to show an “imminent threat of bodily injury or death” to the defendant or others if Allen were moved to a local jail closer to Carroll County.
Carroll County Sheriff’s Department staff claimed such an imminent threat was present when they asked the court to approve a safekeeping order to transport Allen to another facility last fall. But at Thursday’s hearing, the county sheriff and chief deputy both admitted they are unaware of any actual threat made against Allen or their department’s staff. They testified they were – and still are – concerned about the possibility of a potential safety threat if Allen is housed in the Carroll County jail.
...
 
Transportation was not likely a problem. Where will they house him during the trial?
(snips) Article dated June 2023
Any transportation would be the responsibility of Carroll County, the sheriff explained. If Allen is moved to a county jail, both the Indiana Department of Corrections and Indiana State Police are being considered as possible options for transports based on Carroll County’s staffing limitations.
...
He also said the prosecutor failed to show an “imminent threat of bodily injury or death” to the defendant or others if Allen were moved to a local jail closer to Carroll County.
'He' being Rozzi stating that. Yeah, that's gonna be a pass for me.

Carroll County Sheriff’s Department staff claimed such an imminent threat was present when they asked the court to approve a safekeeping order to transport Allen to another facility last fall. But at Thursday’s hearing, the county sheriff and chief deputy both admitted they are unaware of any actual threat made against Allen or their department’s staff. They testified they were – and still are – concerned about the possibility of a potential safety threat if Allen is housed in the Carroll County jail.

RBBM - This isn't your run of the mill criminal cases. It is the culmination of 5+ years of working and investigating to solve the brutal murder of 2 innocent teenage girls. Emotions run high, even Judge Diener rescued himself after pictures of him and his family were posted online.

There was and still is a public outcry for justice for these girls and most believe RA is guilty IMO. That is why he has been housed in DOC for his safety and the safety of jail staff. Oh and the need for access to mental health professionals as well.

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MOO

EBM: Correct Spelling of Judge Diener
 
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This is true but some seem to want to Paint the defense as the second coming and Gull as the evil witch of the south West.

I mean god forbid we condemn the people responsible for letting in friends who leaked confidential photos of the crime scene.

Moo

BBM

Key word here: friend

How could he possibly predict that a former colleague and good friend would do this? This wasn't just some guy off the street. He trusted him.

People we trust betray us sometimes. It's life.

JMO MOO
 
But did they have the mental health personal to deal with RA's needs? His attorneys have said that RA entered Westville already dealing with some of those issues. I don't think Cass County Jail or any county jail most likely would have the mental health personnel needed?
An informative article about mental health services at Cass Co.


LOGANSPORT, Ind. – Four County and Cass County criminal justice departments have been long partners and now are expanding that partnership to jail services. Driven to develop a more robust continuum of care, the relationship has evolved to include embedded services at Cass-Pulaski Community corrections, jail outreach, mobile crisis, and designated criminal justice liaison for the county. A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed which allows Four County to roll out a new program of Jail Treatment Services to Cass County Corrections.

Funded by a federal grant, Four County will provide various forms of treatment onsite. Treatment will include: intakes, psychological evaluations, individual and group based treatment curriculum. Services will be provided by Four County Staff and will include a Criminal Justice Liaison, Peer Recovery Specialist, Therapist, Advanced Practice Nurses, and a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. Onsite services will be provided weekly once facilities are completed and plan to begin in September 2021.
 
An informative article about mental health services at Cass Co.


LOGANSPORT, Ind. – Four County and Cass County criminal justice departments have been long partners and now are expanding that partnership to jail services. Driven to develop a more robust continuum of care, the relationship has evolved to include embedded services at Cass-Pulaski Community corrections, jail outreach, mobile crisis, and designated criminal justice liaison for the county. A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed which allows Four County to roll out a new program of Jail Treatment Services to Cass County Corrections.

Funded by a federal grant, Four County will provide various forms of treatment onsite. Treatment will include: intakes, psychological evaluations, individual and group based treatment curriculum. Services will be provided by Four County Staff and will include a Criminal Justice Liaison, Peer Recovery Specialist, Therapist, Advanced Practice Nurses, and a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. Onsite services will be provided weekly once facilities are completed and plan to begin in September 2021.
They (Cass) were allotted a Federal Grant for this MOU. I wonder if the program was actually in place and running efficiently by the time RA was arrested in Oct 26, 2022? I ask this because I used to write grants myself to the NIH and seldom, if ever, did they progress at the anticipated start date.

MOO
 
An informative article about mental health services at Cass Co.


LOGANSPORT, Ind. – Four County and Cass County criminal justice departments have been long partners and now are expanding that partnership to jail services. Driven to develop a more robust continuum of care, the relationship has evolved to include embedded services at Cass-Pulaski Community corrections, jail outreach, mobile crisis, and designated criminal justice liaison for the county. A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed which allows Four County to roll out a new program of Jail Treatment Services to Cass County Corrections.

Funded by a federal grant, Four County will provide various forms of treatment onsite. Treatment will include: intakes, psychological evaluations, individual and group based treatment curriculum. Services will be provided by Four County Staff and will include a Criminal Justice Liaison, Peer Recovery Specialist, Therapist, Advanced Practice Nurses, and a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. Onsite services will be provided weekly once facilities are completed and plan to begin in September 2021.
Well that sounds wonderfully efficent! It started in 2021. Any updates on how it's all working?
 
Well that sounds wonderfully efficent! It started in 2021. Any updates on how it's all working?
I don't have any updates but if you find one, please post it.

Logansport is the home to the state hospital that serves the mentally ill; it's been around for many years and used to be known as "the insane asylum." IMO Of any county, Cass would be the one to have the best chance for a successful mental health program.
 
This is true but some seem to want to Paint the defense as the second coming and Gull as the evil witch of the south West.

I mean god forbid we condemn the people responsible for letting in friends who leaked confidential photos of the crime scene.

Moo

Respectfully to all, (and not directed specifically to you, Salah11) ...

As to comparing errors of the Judge with errors of the Defense:

the error of Judicial overreach that violates constitutional rights and requires a writ of mandamus and reversal by the SCOIN to avoid structural error in an ongoing murder trial ...

... is not remotely comparable to the error of trusting that a long-time colleague would not betray years-long confidential consult relationship.

Generally speaking, why is it necessary to compare? It's good for all that it's over. Also good that both SCOIN and Gull have made consistent decisions on the matter.

JMHO
 
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Respectfully to all, (and not directed specifically to you, Salah11) ...

As to comparing errors of the Judge with errors of the Defense:

the error of Judicial overreach that violates constitutional rights and requires reversal by the SCOIN to avoid structure error in a murder trial ...

... is not remotely comparable to the error of trusting that a long-time colleague would not betray years-long confidential consult relationship.

Generally speaking, why is it necessary to compare? It's over. Both SCOIN and Gull have consistently decided the matter.

JMHO


Because sometimes it gets quite frustrating to see some condemning Gull while the defense are never at fault.

MOO
 
Respectfully to all, (and not directed specifically to you, Salah11) ...

As to comparing errors of the Judge with errors of the Defense:

the error of Judicial overreach that violates constitutional rights and requires a writ of mandamus and reversal by the SCOIN to avoid structural error in an ongoing murder trial ...

... is not remotely comparable to the error of trusting that a long-time colleague would not betray years-long confidential consult relationship.

Generally speaking, why is it necessary to compare? It's good for all that it's over. Also good that both SCOIN and Gull have made consistent decisions on the matter.

JMHO
It's not however good for the families of Libby and Abby who had to suffer being emailed leaked crime scene photos of their children. And it will probably happen again as those photos are always going to be out there and evil people will manipulate them for their thrills, MO. JG had it right when she voiced the hypocritical mindset of RA's attorneys, at once calling MW a thief, a trusted advisor/friend and strategist. That sentiment says it all, to me, about AB&BR's lack of honesty and integrity. All Just My Opinion
 
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