Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #184

[FrostedGlass]

sure but he was investigated and they confirmed an alibi so that rules him out. what am i missing here?

i guess i am struggling with how alleged missing evidence can lead anywhere unless we are going to argue there is an intentional coverup. But that is a very heavy lift?

is that where you lean?

ETA: I am generally quite confused about the latest motion to dismiss and the first motion dismiss. When I followed that hearing, the defence came nowhere close to showing these guys were seriously in play. Of course that burden is tough if all the evidence was lost - but he does have a confirmed alibi so ....?

MOO

MOO
The alibi only says he didn't do it. It doesn't say he's innocent of being a part of it.

I've seen intentional coverups in Indiana exonerations so I'm not closed-minded to one in Delphi.
They are heavy lifts but they happened. See the Royer exoneration...there were suspects who admitted to murdering Helen Sailor.

We don't know how seriously these guys were in play. We haven't heard all of the Click story. Their story about visiting a friend in the hospital sounds unlikely.

I put weight on EF's story of being a part of this. However, one thing gives me pause: LE may have blown his testimony off if they knew the girls never crossed the bridge.

 

[sunshineray]

The first 15 mins or so...

 

[ClearAhead]

The first 15 mins or so...

At about 17 minutes in, speculation about who was involved in a tip that led to RA’s earlier interview being unearthed. If it’s true, is does address the question about why hasn’t his daughter attended any of the hearings with her mother in support of her dad.

ETA I’m thinking the D already realized their case was lost some time ago (RA and a guilty plea?) but have taken every opportunity to grand-stand by delaying the inevitable. JMO

 

[mrjitty]

MOO
The alibi only says he didn't do it. It doesn't say he's innocent of being a part of it.

I've seen intentional coverups in Indiana exonerations so I'm not closed-minded to one in Delphi.
They are heavy lifts but they happened. See the Royer exoneration...there were suspects who admitted to murdering Helen Sailor.

We don't know how seriously these guys were in play. We haven't heard all of the Click story. Their story about visiting a friend in the hospital sounds unlikely.

I put weight on EF's story of being a part of this. However, one thing gives me pause: LE may have blown his testimony off if they knew the girls never crossed the bridge.

thanks for the explanation

 

[FrostedGlass]

thanks for the explanation

You're welcome. Thanks for listening.

 

[sunshineray]

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I thought it was particularly interesting in the context of the last week or so. The motion to vacate the IDOC safekeeping order, the disappearance of Richard Matthew Allen from the DOC online database and the sudden motions to stop the trial and the evidentiary hearings right before they happened and after having finally filing for the speedy trial. I'm wondering now if RA has been attempting self harm and may have been moved to a hospital environment outside of the IDOC? Just some thoughts.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I thought it was particularly interesting in the context of the last week or so. The motion to vacate the IDOC safekeeping order, the disappearance of Richard Matthew Allen from the DOC online database and the sudden motions to stop the trial and the evidentiary hearings right before they happened and after having finally filing for the speedy trial. I'm wondering now if RA has been attempting self harm and may have been moved to a hospital environment outside of the IDOC? Just some thoughts.

His attorneys will be the death of him, in my opinion.

 

[Salah11]

He was hanging upside in basketball hoop?

He is so short i wonder how did he manage that

 

[FrostedGlass]

His attorneys will be the death of him, in my opinion.

Respectfully,
It was not his attys who put him in prison.
It was not his attys who chose to keep him there.
If he dies in prison, his attys are the last persons anyone should blame.
IMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

MOO
The alibi only says he didn't do it. It doesn't say he's innocent of being a part of it.

I've seen intentional coverups in Indiana exonerations so I'm not closed-minded to one in Delphi.
They are heavy lifts but they happened. See the Royer exoneration...there were suspects who admitted to murdering Helen Sailor.

We don't know how seriously these guys were in play. We haven't heard all of the Click story. Their story about visiting a friend in the hospital sounds unlikely.

I put weight on EF's story of being a part of this. However, one thing gives me pause: LE may have blown his testimony off if they knew the girls never crossed the bridge.

RA doesn’t even have an alibi. Fair to say that he may be guilty of murder or be some part of it?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Respectfully,
It was not his attys who put him in prison.
It was not his attys who chose to keep him there.
If he dies in prison, his attys are the last persons should blame.
IMO

They didn’t put him in prison, but despite what they claim, certainly don’t seem to be in any hurry to have a trial and prove him innocent.

 

[Salah11]

Respectfully,
It was not his attys who put him in prison.
It was not his attys who chose to keep him there.
If he dies in prison, his attys are the last persons should blame.
IMO

He was put in prison because he murdered two girls. He is still in person because his lawyers were incapable of running to a schedule they wanted for a trial and have delayed justice.

So they are completely to blame if the worse happens.

Moo

 

[FrostedGlass]

RA doesn’t even have an alibi. Fair to say that he may be guilty of murder or be some part of it?

Not one that we know of but I do think they have something. Maybe they know where he was part of the time between 1:30 and 4 pm. If I ever find the interview I'm looking for, I'll share why I think that.

Yes, it's fair to say he may be guilty or play a part in it. I think about that a lot.

 

[FrostedGlass]

They didn’t put him in prison, but despite what they claim, certainly don’t seem to be in any hurry to have a trial and prove him innocent.

We read the filings differently but that's just how it is.

Short of organizing a jail break, I don't know what else the D can do to get him out of prison.

 

[Salah11]

We read the filings differently but that's just how it is.

Short of organizing a jail break, I don't know what else the D can do to get him out of prison.

Considering the charges you would like him released back into Society?

 

[FrostedGlass]

Considering the charges you would like him released back into Society?

No. We don't usually let accused murderers out on bond.

What I don't want is to see a man considered innocent, at this point in time, placed in an Indiana Department of Corrections facility = PRISON. This is a big, big difference from being incarcerated in a county jail.

And, just for the record, I don't, for one minute, think that was their only option.
I'm convinced Carroll Co. LE could have called in extra help until LE got his attys and handled the problem properly.

With all that said, IMO there was absolutely no reason why he couldn't have been transferred to Cass Co. and there still is no reason why they can't transfer him right now.

They have 20+ confessions from him, what on earth more do they require?

 

[Boxer]

He was put in prison because he murdered two girls. He is still in person because his lawyers were incapable of running to a schedule they wanted for a trial and have delayed justice.

So they are completely to blame if the worse happens.

Moo

Agree. Why aren't the getting him evaluated and sent for restoration?

 

[Boxer]

We read the filings differently but that's just how it is.

Short of organizing a jail break, I don't know what else the D can do to get him out of prison.

MOO Get him evaluated and sent to a MH facility.

 

[Boxer]

MOO Jail-Based Competency Restoration should have been initiated by his attorneys when attempted to eat the indictment papers.

 

[Ravenmoon]

I , myself, have never had a jail or prison experience. I have never visited either place.

I understand that jail is meant to hold people that are awaiting trial and that it will house people that have committed less ergregious crimes.
At least it's what I believe.

So, I have questions:

In Richard Allen's case, what would be different for him?
If he were in jail, would he still be kept away from others?
Would he still be watched 24/7?
If he wasn't, and he tried to end his life, who would be to blame?
If he was assaulted by other inmates, who would be to blame?
Would he not much more likely to be surrounded by Odinist inmates rather than guards that follow Heathenry?
Would he have access to Mental health facilities?
Would he really be safer in a jail?
If so, how?
The biggest issue that I am aware of is transportation.
I don't know, but in his case, it seems that the best option for his personal safety is where he is.

JMO