Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #187

[mrjitty]

It will be interesting to see if this is all just brushed under the carpet from the defense. Quite a lot of revelations and it shows a very nasty underbelly. Hopefully these chats have found their way to the right people so it can be investigated.

Moo

The whole thing is so unethical and crazy it is hard to know where to start with it.

But as a bare minimum you would think Judge Gull should be asking CW if she did in fact draft the motion for parity and then tweet about it. Violation of the gag order?

But quite apart from that, you'd think members of the professional should simply not be engaging in this kind of conduct - it calls the profession into disrepute. IMO

I'm not naive, but I am shocked that it was this bad and blatant.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Where can i find the affidavit?

Since I've noticed you are a new member, you can find all of the important documents relating to this case, and there are many, at the beginning of the thread that says Media Only, no commenting.

Hope this helps.

 

[mrjitty]

And this thought just hit me

Oh how we were gaslit at the contempt hearing!

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

The whole thing is so unethical and crazy it is hard to know where to start with it.

But as a bare minimum you would think Judge Gull should be asking CW if she did in fact draft the motion for parity and then tweet about it. Violation of the gag order?

But quite apart from that, you'd think members of the professional should simply not be engaging in this kind of conduct - it calls the profession into disrepute. IMO

I'm not naive, but I am shocked that it was this bad and blatant.

I'm not shocked at all, I've detested the gamesmanship and underhanded ways of this Defense from Day 1, and this Due Process Group is just another shining example of their lack of character or moral compass.

Do your jobs guys (R&B), remember the Law? Let's try and follow that instead of Social Media PR campaigning and get your client RA to Court. If you possibly can, I mean I know you're super busy with your frivolous Motions and Statements of Record. Sheesh

I'll say it again, RA should have stuck with S&L.

MOO

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

Where can i find the affidavit?

MOO IMO
There is more than one affidavit in this case.

If you are referring to the RA arrest affidavit, The Lafayette Journal & Courier has the affidavit linked and embedded at the end of the article linked.

In general, the Websleuths timeline threads (no discussion allowed) are good repositories for information. Keep in mind that links do change and expire over time with long-running cases.

The Libby & Abby timeline thread is currently located in WS’ Located Timeline and Media Links Forum.

IMO MOO ETC

The whole thing is so unethical and crazy it is hard to know where to start with it.

But as a bare minimum you would think Judge Gull should be asking CW if she did in fact draft the motion for parity and then tweet about it. Violation of the gag order?

But quite apart from that, you'd think members of the professional should simply not be engaging in this kind of conduct - it calls the profession into disrepute. IMO

I'm not naive, but I am shocked that it was this bad and blatant.

IMO MOO ETC

Agreed. I hope that there are legal changes to reflect the evolving media landscape. The current legal system hasn’t caught up yet.

IMO MOO ETC

 

[mrjitty]

I'm not shocked at all, I've detested the gamesmanship and underhanded ways of this Defense from Day 1, and this Due Process Group is just another shining example of their lack of character or moral compass.

Do your jobs guys (R&B), remember the Law? Let's try and follow that instead of Social Media PR campaigning and get your client RA to Court. If you possibly can, I mean I know you're super busy with your frivolous Motions and Statements of Record. Sheesh

I'll say it again, RA should have stuck with S&L.

MOO

Its some gumption to go to the Contempt hearing and say it was all just normal brainstorming with a trusted sounding board while running a new cut out operation the whole time.

MS alleges that these guys were speaking with the B&R and even working with them, and their PI was also in these discussions ... with toxic youtubers lol. I just can't.

This is much worse than the MW scandal IMO/MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Exactly. Probably nothing would come of it legally so really? Who cares? Unless they did something that’s actually illegal then it’s just people talking. Is it a good look? No. But realistically? Who cares.

RSBM

I think anyone who has been getting their theories of the case from these people needs to reconsider their priors. The implication is that not even the defence itself really believes in the Odinist theory.

Something that has been boiling away here for a long time is whether RA would be better served by a generic alternate suspect theory (i.e. I'm innocent it was someone else) vs specific suspect (it was BH, PW and EF etc). The risk of the odinist approach is that there is apparently more evidence against RA than against the alternates who have alibis etc.

Now we have hard evidence that the strategy is to amplify conspiracies around the case in the hope of contaminating the jury. That strikes me as very risky for the defendant vs focussing on raising doubt by attacking the evidence and being more neutral on who did it.

MOO

 

[nadia90]

We were probably posting at the same time, but I just posted about the prosecutor exchanging information with a different YouTuber. From what I've observed, YouTube is a mess with this case....drama city.

IMO MOO

The language used to refer to the families of Libby and Abby — and Libby and Abby themselves — is appalling

Your thoughts?

 

[nadia90]

Listening is really the best way to grasp the seriousness of what has happened.

JMO

Some want to ignore as it doesn't support their guy

 

[Salah11]

Has a transcript come out yet on the 3 episodes yet as so much information to remember ?


One of them thinks the bridge photo is fake and thinks maybe Libby’s family is behind it.
The attacks on the girls family’s are deplorable

 

[m00c0w]

A lot of these communications were during the time some of these attorneys were actively representing RA... I wonder if any of this constitutes a violation of the gag order, at a minimum. Definitely very troubling that they were freely talking about the case with random social media influencers while being under a gag order, if this is all true.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

A lot of these communications were during the time some of these attorneys were actively representing RA... I wonder if any of this constitutes a violation of the gag order, at a minimum. Definitely very troubling that they were freely talking about the case with random social media influencers while being under a gag order, if this is all true.

JMO

Well none of the people involved seem to be denying it. No doubt Murder Sheet can prove what they are saying as well or they would get into a lot of trouble.

IMO

 

[TTF14]

A lot of these communications were during the time some of these attorneys were actively representing RA... I wonder if any of this constitutes a violation of the gag order, at a minimum. Definitely very troubling that they were freely talking about the case with random social media influencers while being under a gag order, if this is all true.

JMO

Attempting to circumvent the gag order by influencing the influencers is indeed concerning. Tricky, tricky, tricky.

IMO MOO

 

[TTF14]

Well none of the people involved seem to be denying it. No doubt Murder Sheet can prove what they are saying as well or they would get into a lot of trouble.

IMO

BBM

By whom?

 

[Salah11]

BBM

By whom?

By the people they are slandering one would assume. I doubt these people are the sort to take this sitting down if it was made up.

IMO

 

[TTF14]

By the people they are slandering one would assume. I doubt these people are the sort to take this sitting down if it was made up.

IMO

Oh, gotcha. I do agree there seems to be quite a bit of slander.

IMO MOO

 

[mrjitty]

A lot of these communications were during the time some of these attorneys were actively representing RA... I wonder if any of this constitutes a violation of the gag order, at a minimum. Definitely very troubling that they were freely talking about the case with random social media influencers while being under a gag order, if this is all true.

JMO

This is where I always felt BM was a cynical end run around the gag order. He can claim he doesn't work for the defence, therefore the order does not apply to him - just a defence podcaster speculating about the case. But in reality we now see he was talking directly to B&R

Ditto CW carried on as if she only worked for RA on the SCOIN action (not covered by the gag) but again we see that actually she said she drafted a motion for the D.

These just seem like obvious and intentional breaches of the order, but I don't imagine the Judge can do much about it.

I will say, she was right all along about these guys. MOO

 

[WildHuncher]

It’s been a while since I’ve followed this crime so please forgive my ignorance. Is there any mention of James Brian Chadwell being involved?

I thought he was the guy. He fit the profile but nothing ever put him near the place at the time. There are apparently more sex criminals in that part of small-town Indiana than I thought possible.

 

[AugustWest]

A lot of these communications were during the time some of these attorneys were actively representing RA... I wonder if any of this constitutes a violation of the gag order, at a minimum. Definitely very troubling that they were freely talking about the case with random social media influencers while being under a gag order, if this is all true.

JMO

The gag order doesn't apply to an original action, which is what the Supreme Court action was. The gag order applies to State v. Richard M. Allen, not State of Indiana ex rel. Richard M. Allen v. Carroll Circuit Court, et al.

 

[pseudo_hum]

I thought he was the guy. He fit the profile but nothing ever put him near the place at the time. There are apparently more sex criminals in that part of small-town Indiana than I thought possible.

IMO, it was obvious that was not Chadwell on the bridge, and there are sex criminals all over.