Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #188

[m00c0w]

RS(and butting in)BM

This is why time of death will be crucial.

The girls were reportedly dropped off between 1:38 and 1:49 on the 13th (two different times given).

They reportedly weren't found that night despite extensive searching all over the area.

The bodies were reportedly found noonish the next day.

None of us have seen the autopsy report, which hopefully pinpoints time of death, stomach contents, etc.

LE has never commented on time of death.

Libby's phone pinged around 4:33AM. (https://fox59.com/indiana-news/less...maneuvering-continues-in-delphi-murder-trial/)

Without a precise time of death, alibis mean nothing, IMO.

IMO MOO

While you’re correct, it’s not any of us that cleared the Odinists via their alibis. It was law enforcement, who had access to the pathology results and therefore an accurate time of death. And the defense has access to the same results and timeframe.

JMO

 

[TTF14]

I believe that it was Doug Carter that stated that "everything was over by 3:30"

I didn't imagine it and it isn't a rumor.
It is out there somewhere and I hope to find it before editing time expires.

Good luck! I looked for about 20 minutes before I posted my post, but couldn't find it. There are plenty of discussions about "someone saying that," but I couldn't find a link where anyone actually did. But, like I said, it may have been scrubbed. I'm not saying you're imagining it.

IMO MOO

 

[photographer4]

That’s right, otherwise RA wouldn’t have reason to backtrack from his self-incriminating timeline. Thing is back then nobody would’ve known the timeline when murder was believed to occur as LE didn’t share it with the public. That included timestamps from the video or dth audio….nothing.

BBM

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“Investigators actually interviewed Allen in 2017. He told them he’d been on Monon High Bridge and the Freedom Bridge between 1:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. on the day of the murders. The timing matched the window in which the girls died.”

If he was on the bridge watching fish / at the platform when the witnesses saw him, but no one saw him after the murders… why is that?

Is this because no one else went to walk the bridge path after the witnesses so no one saw him at the start of the bridge again? Shouldn’t he have seen or be seen by LG’s father as he arrived (I don’t recall what time he arrived so this may not be realistic).

But seriously he is there between 1:30-3:30 by his own admission. So why did no one else see him to say he couldn’t have been at the Logan property at 2 or even 3 because I saw him X spot along the bridge / trail / parking area etc.

If he isn’t the guy, what was he doing for the long time he was there but not seen by anyone???

No link so mooo. This guy is so guilty. Ugh. Roll to trial already!!

 

[susane7]

I thought it was Doug Carter but it was Tobe.




Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

A. Evidence. I do not recall a specific time though but rather a time line.

Q. Has it been determined the girls were killed where they were found?

A. Based on information known, yes.

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[TTF14]

I thought it was Doug Carter but it was Tobe.




Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

A. Evidence. I do not recall a specific time though but rather a time line.

Q. Has it been determined the girls were killed where they were found?

A. Based on information known, yes.

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Yes, but we're looking for the original statement....the one allegedly "stated in a press conference."

ETA: Ohhh, but we might be able find it by listening to press conferences. Is that what you meant?

 

[sunshineray]

Something I have wondered: is it possible some of the “staging” of the scene were done ahead of time? Eg: the branch cut earlier, symbols made and left before the kids were ever there?

It's possible sure. There was a podcast with three former FBI agents awhile back and they all seemed to think it was very possible a lair had been set up ahead of time.

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

WISH-TV

Leaked group chat reveals defense team strategies in Delphi murders case​

Video and copy at link

Wieneke said, “I expressed doubt that the defense would have time to vet hundreds of jurors before the May trial date. A friend offered her help. I said I would let the defense team know. I did. They said no. That is not jury tampering.”

IMO MOO ETC

I predict
Normalizing: “everyone does it”
Minimizing: “I only did x-y-z” (Tough for Weineke given the quotes about the family attributed to her) plus it may not be technically illegal
Cheering: circling the wagons, jokey memes about how it’s everyone else who is too invested

Glad to see MSM coverage.

IMO MOO and respectfully, with links, per TOS

 

[Ravenmoon]

I thought it was Doug Carter but it was Tobe.




Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

A. Evidence. I do not recall a specific time though but rather a time line.

Q. Has it been determined the girls were killed where they were found?

A. Based on information known, yes.

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Thank you so much!
I was about to give up!

 

[TTF14]

WISH-TV

Leaked group chat reveals defense team strategies in Delphi murders case​

Video and copy at link



IMO MOO ETC

I predict
Normalizing: “everyone does it”
Minimizing: “I only did x-y-z” (Tough for Weineke given the quotes about the family attributed to her) plus it may not be technically illegal
Cheering: circling the wagons, jokey memes about how it’s everyone else who is too invested

Glad to see MSM coverage.

IMO MOO and respectfully, with links, per TOS

She's right. I'm listening to an attorney explain it all in detail exactly why it's legal right now, as a matter of fact.

IMO MOO

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

She's right. I'm listening to an attorney explain it all in detail exactly why it's legal right now, as a matter of fact.

IMO MOO

Link? Timestamp? TIA

 

[susane7]

Yes, but we're looking for the original statement....the one allegedly "stated in a press conference."

ETA: Ohhh, but we might be able find it by listening to press conferences. Is that what you meant?

Oh I thought people wanted LE's confirmation about it "was over by 3:30". Tobe confirmed that. I don't have time to hear the press conferences right now but I will try to find later.

 

[TTF14]

Oh I thought people wanted LE's confirmation about it "was over by 3:30". Tobe confirmed that. I don't have time to hear the press conferences right now but I will try to find later.

He literally didn't confirm it. He said, "I do not recall a specific time..."

IMO MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I believe that it was Doug Carter that stated that "everything was over by 3:30"

I didn't imagine it and it isn't a rumor.
It is out there somewhere and I hope to find it before editing time expires.County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

There this...

Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

A. Evidence. I do not recall a specific time though but rather a time line

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

She's right. I'm listening to an attorney explain it all in detail exactly why it's legal right now, as a matter of fact.

IMO MOO

IMO MOO ETC

Then it sounds like your source is already Minimizing, per my speculation on the spin strategy above.
Any joking yet about the cheery nicknames for Judge Gull?

IMO MOO

 

[sunshineray]

There this...

Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

A. Evidence. I do not recall a specific time though but rather a time line

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Oppps sorry Ravenmoon, I see you found it

 

[susane7]

WISH-TV

Leaked group chat reveals defense team strategies in Delphi murders case​

Video and copy at link



IMO MOO ETC

I predict
Normalizing: “everyone does it”
Minimizing: “I only did x-y-z” (Tough for Weineke given the quotes about the family attributed to her) plus it may not be technically illegal
Cheering: circling the wagons, jokey memes about how it’s everyone else who is too invested

Glad to see MSM coverage.

IMO MOO and respectfully, with links, per TOS

I don't know if it's illegal, they were talking about doing things who could be illegal like to dig in juries but it seems thankfully and surprisingly Rozzi and Baldwin were very reluctant about that and didn't accept. So they didn't anything.

Unethical for attorneys? Absolutely IMO. They need some lessons of deontology and ethics.


Cara said that MS obtained the messages illegaly because a friend of someone had a password and accessed to the twitter account. Not true. Paul was the owner of the account and of the youtuber account and he kick them all out and cut their access.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Oppps sorry Ravenmoon, I see you found it

DON'T APOLOGIZE!
I am grateful for you pointing out what was said, honestly!

 

[Spartygirl]

I don't know if it's illegal, they were talking about doing things who could be illegal like to dig in juries but it seems thankfully and surprisingly Rozzi and Baldwin were very reluctant about that and didn't accept. So they didn't anything.

Unethical for attorneys? Absolutely IMO. They need some lessons of deontology and ethics.


Cara said that MS obtained the messages illegaly because a friend of someone had a password and accessed to the twitter account. Not true. Paul was the owner of the account and of the youtuber account and he kick them all out and cut their access.

BBM
Right-- and who didn't show up for the D team in their Youtube show to "set the record" straight ?? CM--that's who.

They are lying liars that lie = circus clowns =unprofessional and Unethical individuals.

While I feel that prosecutors have the right guy=BG=RA, I do kind of feel sorry for RA having these a$s hats as his defense attys.

 

[Tealgrove]

BBM
Right-- and who didn't show up for the D team in their Youtube show to "set the record" straight ?? CM--that's who.

They are lying liars that lie = circus clowns =unprofessional and Unethical individuals.

While I feel that prosecutors have the right guy=BG=RA, I do kind of feel sorry for RA having these a$s hats as his defense attys.

Funny you should say that. I found myself kinda feeling bad for the guy myself then had to give my head a shake.

They are not doing RA and favours. He should request new representation even though it will set things back yet again.

This Team are a bunch of clowns!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... wasn't the coroner included in the gag order?

It just seemed odd to me that Abby and Libby's dates of death listed differently. Gosh that was difficult for me to even type.

Perhaps the families had their reasons but that's their business... not mine.