Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #188

[photographer4]

Leaked group chat reveals defense team strategies in Delphi murders case
“Cain said, “Where this becomes uncomfortable is when you’re bringing in internet sleuths who are not even from Indiana to do this with zero training. I think even if they’re signing things like NDAs (nondisclosure agreements), that should give people pause because, in the Delphi case especially, internet sleuths do not have the best reputation as far as ethics or not harassing people.”

What so it’s somehow better or more comfortable if this is done by internet sleuths local to the case?? Good lord! These guys need to give their heads a shake!

I haven’t listened to the podcast and won’t but wow. Just that one comment alone from the article sure made me wonder what’s wrong with all these podcasters and content creators??? The lot of them. Yikes.

 

[photographer4]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... wasn't the coroner included in the gag order?

It just seemed odd to me that Abby and Libby's dates of death listed differently. Gosh that was difficult for me to even type.

Perhaps the families had their reasons but that's their business... not mine.

They do have diff dates of death for whatever reason. Check their headstones to verify. Lg is one day and AW is listed the following day. Moo as I don’t have a link nor the patience to find it.

 

[grannygates]

“Cain said, “Where this becomes uncomfortable is when you’re bringing in internet sleuths who are not even from Indiana to do this with zero training. I think even if they’re signing things like NDAs (nondisclosure agreements), that should give people pause because, in the Delphi case especially, internet sleuths do not have the best reputation as far as ethics or not harassing people.”

What so it’s somehow better or more comfortable if this is done by internet sleuths local to the case?? Good lord! These guys need to give their heads a shake!

I haven’t listened to the podcast and won’t but wow. Just that one comment alone from the article sure made me wonder what’s wrong with all these podcasters and content creators??? The lot of them. Yikes.

This is totally being taken way out of context.

The suggestion in the chat appeared to that the defense should get assistance vetting their jurors, which is normal thing. There’s entire companies based on this. No one handed juror information to internet sleuths. There are no jurors at this point.

I don’t know what the actual context was about the specific person in the chat doing it herself (I don’t think any of the listeners know because it was obviously being portrayed as something it wasn’t) was it a lighthearted comment or saying she would be good at it because she’s good at investigating online?

no one was giving juror info to sleuths and a private group of people talking about vetting jurors isn’t jury tampering? Good lord that’s a stretch. There is no jury and no one in this chat is on the defense team. None of these people make decisions for the defense.

This is all so irrelevant to the actual defense council working on this case. MOO

 

[photographer4]

I don't know if it's illegal, they were talking about doing things who could be illegal like to dig in juries but it seems thankfully and surprisingly Rozzi and Baldwin were very reluctant about that and didn't accept. So they didn't anything.

Unethical for attorneys? Absolutely IMO. They need some lessons of deontology and ethics.


Cara said that MS obtained the messages illegaly because a friend of someone had a password and accessed to the twitter account. Not true. Paul was the owner of the account and of the youtuber account and he kick them all out and cut their access.

Did they talk about what motivated Paul to do turn on them? What was his role in all of it? Didn’t listen. Won’t listen so help appreciated here. Ty.

 

[grannygates]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... wasn't the coroner included in the gag order?

It just seemed odd to me that Abby and Libby's dates of death listed differently. Gosh that was difficult for me to even type.

Perhaps the families had their reasons but that's their business... not mine.

I thought those coroner reports were fakes but I’m shocked they’re real ? Makes me curious if the coroner did an internal temperature when they arrived to calculate TOD. I have no clue about the autopsy findings but I don’t have high hopes considering the issues in this case. So sad for the girls everyone is so incompetent.

MOO

 

[photographer4]

This is totally being taken way out of context.

The suggestion in the chat appeared to that the defense should get assistance vetting their jurors, which is normal thing. There’s entire companies based on this. No one handed juror information to internet sleuths. There are no jurors at this point.

I don’t know what the actual context was about the specific person in the chat doing it herself (I don’t think any of the listeners know because it was obviously being portrayed as something it wasn’t) was it a lighthearted comment or saying she would be good at it because she’s good at investigating online?

no one was giving juror info to sleuths and a private group of people talking about vetting jurors isn’t jury tampering? Good lord that’s a stretch. There is no jury and no one in this chat is on the defense team. None of these people make decisions for the defense.

This is all so irrelevant to the actual defense council working on this case. MOO

They’re suggesting it’s more uncomfortable because of where the sleuths would be located? Out of context on my part? I dunno man. These content creators all seem whacky to me.

 

[TTF14]

This is totally being taken way out of context.

The suggestion in the chat appeared to that the defense should get assistance vetting their jurors, which is normal thing. There’s entire companies based on this. No one handed juror information to internet sleuths. There are no jurors at this point.

I don’t know what the actual context was about the specific person in the chat doing it herself (I don’t think any of the listeners know because it was obviously being portrayed as something it wasn’t) was it a lighthearted comment or saying she would be good at it because she’s good at investigating online?

no one was giving juror info to sleuths and a private group of people talking about vetting jurors isn’t jury tampering? Good lord that’s a stretch. There is no jury and no one in this chat is on the defense team. None of these people make decisions for the defense.

This is all so irrelevant to the actual defense council working on this case. MOO

Do you know if defense teams (and prosecutors) can hire their own jury "vetters? Or is there some kind of clearinghouse (i.e. the company you mentioned) that they all have to go through?

 

[vinayd]

The fact that NDAs were signed means they were needed. The defense can’t continue to break the gag order and leak information. I don’t think the court has a loophole for NDAs. This is proof they are discussing the case again. And since all these people have distanced themselves as not being a part of the defense team. Violation.

 

[TTF14]

The fact that NDAs were signed means they were needed. The defense can’t continue to break the gag order and leak information. I don’t think the court has a loophole for NDAs. This is proof they are discussing the case again. And since all these people have distanced themselves as not being a part of the defense team. Violation.

Who signed an NDA?

 

[Ravenmoon]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... wasn't the coroner included in the gag order?

It just seemed odd to me that Abby and Libby's dates of death listed differently. Gosh that was difficult for me to even type.

Perhaps the families had their reasons but that's their business... not mine.

What I can tell you is ONLY from my experience.

Several years ago, I knew a teenager that went missing.. If memory serves correctly, she was missing in June and sadly, her remains were discovered in a feild in January. So, something in the area of seven months passed.

The head stone and timing of death was decided by the parents. Her date of death was chosen as January even though her body was long deteriorated.

Is that normal? I have no idea.

 

[TTF14]

What I can tell you is ONLY from my experience.

Several years ago, I knew a teenager that went missing.. If memory serves correctly, she was missing in June and sadly, her remains were discovered in a feild in January. So, something in the area of seven months passed.

The head stone and timing of death was decided by the parents. Her date of death was chosen as January even though her body was long deteriorated.

Is that normal? I have no idea.

Yes, this is very normal. Families can decide.

IMO MOO

 

[photographer4]

The fact that NDAs were signed means they were needed. The defense can’t continue to break the gag order and leak information. I don’t think the court has a loophole for NDAs. This is proof they are discussing the case again. And since all these people have distanced themselves as not being a part of the defense team. Violation.

The quote I provided says “…I think even if they’re signing things like NDAs…”

I haven’t listened to the pod as I noted but this quote doesn’t say anyone did sign one. Just IF they were to…

So did they? Actually sign NDAs?

 

[Ravenmoon]

Yes, this is very normal. Families can decide.

IMO MOO

@Caylee Advocate

There you go.

 

[sunshineray]

She's right. I'm listening to an attorney explain it all in detail exactly why it's legal right now, as a matter of fact.

IMO MOO

When the true crime youtuber from Carolina (who's a social worker) expressed that they, meaning herself and others, could do deep dives on potential jurors, digged up everything they could find, she also said she could manipulation anyone's electronic data online, it was very easy to do, people didn't know how easy it is. I took that to mean breaking the law to get data not available off SM set for public viewing. Does that not give you pause? And they was no outcry of, no no no you can't do that, from the lawyers attached to the defense. They can try and sugarcoat it now but that doesn't change what was said. AJMO

https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

 

[katydid23]

She's right. I'm listening to an attorney explain it all in detail exactly why it's legal right now, as a matter of fact.

IMO MOO

It's LEGAL to give out the names and identities of future jurors to random YouTubers to do background checks on them? Who says?

 

[TTF14]

When the true crime youtuber from Carolina (who's a social worker) expressed that they, meaning herself and others, could do deep dives on potential jurors, digged up everything they could find, she also said she could manipulation anyone's electronic data online, it was very easy to do, people didn't know how easy it is. I took that to mean breaking the law to get data not available off SM set for public viewing. Does that not give you pause? And they was no outcry of, no no no you can't do that, from the lawyers attached to the defense. They can try and sugarcoat it now but that doesn't change what was said. AJMO

https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

That sounds like hacking and yes that DOES give me pause. But. I want to see that original conversation. Her exact words. And the exact words responding to her. Not someone relaying it to YouTubers. Would also be great to hear from her directly.

IMO MOO

 

[TTF14]

It's LEGAL to give out the names and identities of future jurors to random YouTubers to do background checks on them? Who says?

I asked a similar question upthread, although with different jargon.

 

[sunshineray]

That sounds like hacking and yes that DOES give me pause. But. I want to see that original conversation. Her exact words. And the exact words responding to her. Not someone relaying it to YouTubers. Would also be great to hear from her directly.

IMO MOO

MS was reading, saying "quote" from the actually posts.I was of course paraphrasing. I believe that particular conversation was in part two of the three podcast series.

https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

 

[Caylee Advocate]

So my question was/is, was the coroner included in the gag order? IMO they more than likely were/are, but my lazy butt just wanted a "gimmee" answer.

No problem, I will research tomorrow. G'Nite all!!!

 

[TTF14]

MS was reading, saying "quote" from the actually posts.I was of course paraphrasing. I believe that particular conversation was in part two of the three podcast series.

https://murdersheetpodcast.com/

I would like to read the originals. That’s the only proof of what was literally said/written. IMO MOO