Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #190

[MiniMoo]

But it's different to every day mundanity because it was a big, shocking event.

I remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard Princess Diana died, even though I have a huge amount of memory loss (trauma related) from my high school years. It stuck, because it was that kind of event.

I imagine most people in Delphi remember a remarkable amount from around the time the girls went missing and were found. This is a town of three thousand people, and the kind of crime that occurs once in a generation in that small a place.

Princess Diana

I remember where I was too and even what I had for breakfast or brunch which was when we heard the announcement that she had officially passed away.

That, however, was a far more significant and worldwide event.

MO0

 

[ClearAhead]

So you're saying, that Rick Whiteman is not Richard Allen?

Wasn’t he that guy who stole RA’s cellphone, interviewed by DD?

 

[kae27]

Wasn’t he that guy who stole RA’s cellphone, interviewed by DD?

What ever are you talking about here?

 

[grannygates]

So you're saying, that Rick Whiteman is not Richard Allen?

I was highlighting the known errors in his report as a suggestion of why the other information may not be reliable. This has been a topic of discussion several times in the past so we don’t need to rehash again.

 

[iamshadow21]

Princess Diana

I remember where I was too and even what I had for breakfast or brunch which was when we heard the announcement that she had officially passed away.

That, however, was a far more significant and worldwide event.

In a small town, sometimes a local event is more impactful.

I remember a child murder that happened in my town. His body was dumped within sight of my infants school. There's virtually nothing about the crime on the internet, even in newspaper archives, but it was the first time a murder happened so close to me, to another child. It changed me, and I've never forgotten his name, or his face.

Everyone in that town would have known Abby or Libby, or known people who knew them. They would have gone to the same schools, the same churches, the same sports teams. They would have visited Monon High Bridge as teenagers, with their friends, walked the perilous spans, taken pictures.

When it's close, you remember things.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

I can't even remember what I had to eat for lunch each day of last week except that on one day I may have had a sandwich. Maybe or maybe not. Actually, maybe not.

To remember something so specific 6 years later would be really hard going I reckon.

He remembered correctly when he spoke to the CO shortly after the murders.
MOO people do remember what they were doing on the day such a murder happened.

 

[ClearAhead]

What ever are you talking about here?

Just joking, RA’s interview with DD was mistaking filed as data under the name Rick Allen Whiteman. Whiteman was the street he lived on. Who or how was involved in that error has never been fully explained. Identifying numbers, can’t remember the name, from his cellphone were also recorded during that interview.

 

[Boxer]

Just joking, RA’s interview with DD was mistaking filed as data under the name Rick Allen Whiteman. Whiteman was the street he lived on. Who or how was involved in that error has never been fully explained.

Like why they didnt try to find out where "Mr. Whiteman" lived and because of that, figure out the error.

 

[WildHuncher]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1819796109885112606

That cat fur match should work for a “final nail” if true.

 

[ClearAhead]

Like why they didnt try to fond out where Mr. Whiteman lived and because of that figure out the error.

I agree, when searching for a missed tip the name shouldn’t have mattered at all. But since he declared to not have seen Libby or Abby it possibly was put in a Useless file, even though he placed himself at the bridge. So many tips - 50,000 or 60,000? - would be almost impossible to accurately manage under any system. JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree, when searching for a missed tip the name shouldn’t have mattered at all. But since he declared to not have seen Libby or Abby it possibly was put in a Useless file, even though he placed himself at the bridge. So many tips - 50,000 or 60,000? - would be almost impossible to accurately manage under any system. JMO

Yeah, it's like the Yorkshire Ripper case all over again.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

I agree, when searching for a missed tip the name shouldn’t have mattered at all. But since he declared to not have seen Libby or Abby it possibly was put in a Useless file, even though he placed himself at the bridge. So many tips - 50,000 or 60,000? - would be almost impossible to accurately manage under any system. JMO

MOO I think When he gave a tip the number was still pretty small.

 

[iamshadow21]

MOO I think When he gave a tip the number was still pretty small.

But if it was misfiled from the beginning, it would be invisible to the investigation. Garbage in, garbage out.

MOO

 

[MiniMoo]

In a small town, sometimes a local event is more impactful.

I remember a child murder that happened in my town. His body was dumped within sight of my infants school. There's virtually nothing about the crime on the internet, even in newspaper archives, but it was the first time a murder happened so close to me, to another child. It changed me, and I've never forgotten his name, or his face.

Everyone in that town would have known Abby or Libby, or known people who knew them. They would have gone to the same schools, the same churches, the same sports teams. They would have visited Monon High Bridge as teenagers, with their friends, walked the perilous spans, taken pictures.

When it's close, you remember things.
MOO

I remember one such case in my hometown and it was the only one of its kind, but I don't remember the day it happened nor what I was doing at the time.

I do remember her though as I knew her from school so that name probably everyone knows and not just locally - it did make the news and newspapers, but before the internet was ever born.

Never solved yet not quite forgotten, but I still don't remember where I was at the time or what I was doing except that it would have been a school day and night...

 

[nadia90]

Dan Dulin wrote down that Rick Whiteman said that he was at the trails between 130 and 330. The only information we’ve ever got from RA himself is that he left at 1:30.

I don’t consider this a change of story as there is no proof of DD and RAs conversation to independently confirm what was actually said. I can’t consider any of DDs note as a fact.

Two other people have also confessed to this crime, so we can’t just convict on confessions. Or else the crime would’ve been solved on FEB14 when the first suspect went home and confessed to a family member things that only the killer would know.

MOO

Nope there is plenty of evidence not just the 61 confessions

 

[MiniMoo]

He remembered correctly when he spoke to the CO shortly after the murders.
MOO people do remember what they were doing on the day such a murder happened.

I think our memories are good around the time something occurs, but months later they can start to fade somewhat so 6 years later things may alter a little.

RA may have not had a strong recollection of what was brought up in his initial interview as to why the inconsistencies in time.

Not trying to make excuses for him - he just may not have remembered everything that was said.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Im sorry - I don’t think Im seeing what you’re referring to. Are you able to screenshot and post a photo of what you’re talking about because I am only seeing a copy and paste of the probable cause affidavit?

I linked the motion and cited the pages. It was a motion filed months after the PCA.
Did the PCA state that a gun could be heard cycling during the video taken by Libby of RA? If so, then I think it was overlooked by many.
I realize we haven’t seen the video but the state’s narrative about the damning evidence it includes has not changed.
According to the state the video shows RA abducting the girls at gunpoint.
They have never backed away from that narrative.
The man on the bridge went from person of interest to suspect within days.
I have zero reason to not believe it is exactly as they state.
I believe it will be evident at trial.
Just like when the state said RA had made confessions. It wasn’t a bluff.

All my opinion.

 

[Boxer]

But if it was misfiled from the beginning, it would be invisible to the investigation. Garbage in, garbage out.

MOO

What I am seeing is that it was misfiled by NAME.
They should have been moving heaven and earth to find out who "Whiteman" was, due to the content of the interview as he was on the trail at the time at the murders.

The first photo of BG from LGs phone was released late in the day on 2/17/17 They said the photo came from a trail cam.
It was released saying they had talked to everyone on the trail that day, except for the man on the bridge calling him a potential witness asking him to come forward.
They knew he was the killer.
BG knew the photo was from LG's POV and not a trail cam.

 

[grannygates]

I linked the motion and cited the pages. It was a motion filed months after the PCA.
Did the PCA state that a gun could be heard cycling during the video taken by Libby of RA? If so, then I think it was overlooked by many.
I realize we haven’t seen the video but the state’s narrative about the damning evidence it includes has not changed.
According to the state the video shows RA abducting the girls at gunpoint.
They have never backed away from that narrative.
The man on the bridge went from person of interest to suspect within days.
I have zero reason to not believe it is exactly as they state.
I believe it will be evident at trial.
Just like when the state said RA had made confessions. It wasn’t a bluff.

All my opinion.

If you see the paragraph directly above the text turns into bold italics, you can see that it is referring to Tony Liggets report.

 

[CrimeJunkie82]

Other notes from Wednesday's hearing​

The prison psychologist assigned to treat Allen while he served time at the Westville Correctional Facility testified that she has long been fascinated by the Delphi murders and that she and her boyfriend traveled together to Delphi so they could visit the crime scene and stand on the Monon High Bridge prior to learning of Allen’s arrest.

Dr. Monica Wala said she frequently listens to true crime podcasts about the Delphi murders case during her commute to the Westville prison and has commented on social media about which of those podcasts she recommends. She also admitted she used her IDOC-issued computer to research other people mentioned as having possible involvement in the murders, a possible violation of department policy.

Wala testified that she also spoke with Allen about the positive comments she has read online from his supporters, and she advised him not to discuss his possible involvement in the murders with anyone other than his defense attorneys. Asked by Rozzi if her actions presented a conflict of interest and ethical problems, Wala responded “I disagree.”

Judge rules Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen to be moved to county jail

It is not yet known where Allen will be housed or when he will be moved to a new jail.

www.wthr.com

Would that not make her a conflict of interest and an unreliable witness? Couldn't the defense attorneys tear into her and say she went into this already bias towards him?