Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #191

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video

Grayhuze youtube channel
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DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

- Speculation about RA’s possible involvement in other cases belongs in the OTHER CASES thread.

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[Tricia]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

Also, the presumption of innocence is part and parcel of the judicial process. It does not apply to the general public who are entitled to express their opinion. Members are not here to be lectured or chastised by others for expressing their personal opinions. If you have an issue, use the Report feature and let Mods or Admins determine what is or is not okay to post.

Thanks.

Sillybilly
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[Knitty]

Please continue here.

 

[mrjitty]

One of the interesting issues Judge Gull has to consider is whether the evidence against the Odinists such as it is, is even admissible

For instance, the alleged Facebook post years earlier by BH. It didn't seem the defence has the primary source for it but rather a screencap from someone who says they saw it.

The testimony of BHs wife also sounded like hearsay or speculation?

The EF statement - a statement against interest? (I have no idea)

Be interested what she says about any of this

MOO

 

[Salah11]

Well The Murder Sheet seemed to think they have not met the threshold needed to get the “Odins did it” at the trial so we shall see.

The Delphi Murders: Three Days of Pretrial Hearings: Day Three

Additional content warning: This episode contains discussion of suicide. Today in the Delphi case, we attended the final day of pre-trial hearings. It ended around 8:30 p.m. Our coverage of the first day: https://art19.com/shows/murder-sheet/episodes/2c839e4e-6eee-4c56-b185-f7821df89131 Our...

art19.com

 

[Niner]

Just in case everyone did not see my post on the last thread -

No motions filed & no court dates coming up? Right? TIA!

 

[girlhasnoname]

#Justice4Abby&Libbly


Photo by wishtv.com

The 3 day hearings really took it out of me, such tough things to hear about what happened to these young girls. My mind cannot comprehend what it will hear and look like at trial time.

Strength to all of their loved ones to have to endure this now, and have had to for far too long. Justice is coming.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Just in case everyone did not see my post on the last thread -

No motions filed & no court dates coming up? Right? TIA! View attachment 522662

I saw it and tagged you but you didn't see it.
No updates or motions at this time.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Here is the information on the 3rd (unknown) person who confessed to the murders:

Among the recent evidence related to Odinism the defense said it has received is search warrants signed by judges in Marion County for phone and internet records of at least one unknown person who admitted to killing the girls.

The attorneys said this person provided details about the crime scene that were unknown to the general public at the time.

“Such as the fact that he used knife in way consistent with the manner of death and also claiming that he used gun but never fired it,” Allen’s team wrote.

by: Max Lewis
Posted: Oct 2, 2023 / 10:46 PM EDT
Updated: Oct 4, 2023 / 12:09 PM EDT

Delphi defense team believes state has reopened investigation into Odinism theory

DELPHI, Ind. — In a new court filing, the defense team for Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen says it believes investigators have reopened their investigation into the theory that Abby Williams an…

fox59.com

 

[FrostedGlass]

For anyone who is wondering if RA has claimed he's innocent:

This is in the timeline included in the article:

October 2023: Allen was proclaiming his innocence.

Judge rules Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen to be moved to county jail

It is not yet known where Allen will be housed or when he will be moved to a new jail.

www.wthr.com

But Allen also professed his innocence, Harshman said, even after his alleged confessions.

Jail confessions highlight Delphi hearing

DELPHI — Indiana guidelines recommend an inmate can spend up to 30 days in restrictive housing, also known as solitary confinement, before their situation is reevaluated. Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen spent 12 months in solitary confinement during his time at Westville Correctional...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Niner]

I saw it and tagged you but you didn't see it.
No updates or motions at this time.

Nope - sure did not see it... but thanks!

 

[FrostedGlass]

Nope - sure did not see it... but thanks!

You're very welcome.

 

[nadia90]

One of the easier cases to be honest imo. If it goes to trial I don't see the jury deliberation going more than a couple hours before they find ra guilty. Moo

 

[MiniMoo]

Here is the information on the 3rd (unknown) person who confessed to the murders:


by: Max Lewis
Posted: Oct 2, 2023 / 10:46 PM EDT
Updated: Oct 4, 2023 / 12:09 PM EDT

Delphi defense team believes state has reopened investigation into Odinism theory

DELPHI, Ind. — In a new court filing, the defense team for Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen says it believes investigators have reopened their investigation into the theory that Abby Williams an…

fox59.com

Maybe they should make all these confessors walk with them through the entire crime scene to show them exactly how it played out that day. They should start from the bridge when the girls first spotted that man behind them (BG) and let each person take it from there.

Am sure they (LE/FBI) would be able to tell who is telling the truth or not especially when it comes to specifics or the finer details.

 

[Tealgrove]

One of the interesting issues Judge Gull has to consider is whether the evidence against the Odinists such as it is, is even admissible

For instance, the alleged Facebook post years earlier by BH. It didn't seem the defence has the primary source for it but rather a screencap from someone who says they saw it.

The testimony of BHs wife also sounded like hearsay or speculation?

The EF statement - a statement against interest? (I have no idea)

Be interested what she says about any of this

MOO

I think those that Defence have tried to connect to their Odinist Plot are very iffy. I would be very surprised if Judge Gull allows it.

MOO

 

[Salah11]

Here is the information on the 3rd (unknown) person who confessed to the murders:


by: Max Lewis
Posted: Oct 2, 2023 / 10:46 PM EDT
Updated: Oct 4, 2023 / 12:09 PM EDT

Delphi defense team believes state has reopened investigation into Odinism theory

DELPHI, Ind. — In a new court filing, the defense team for Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen says it believes investigators have reopened their investigation into the theory that Abby Williams an…

fox59.com

None of these people can be placed at the crime scene unlike dear old Rick.

Moo

 

[photographer4]

None of these people can be placed at the crime scene unlike dear old Rick.

Moo

EF put himself at the scene. Specifically, at the scene when and where the kids died as opposed to just on the bridge. Moo.

ETA: adding a link to the franks motion so people know who I’m talking about when I say EF.

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion PDF | PDF | Prosecutor | Police

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion.pdf

www.scribd.com

 

[Salah11]

EF put himself at the scene. Specifically, at the scene when and where the kids died as opposed to just on the bridge. Moo.

No idea who that is I’m afraid but the prostitution said they couldn’t place anybody else at the crime scene when they investigated.

RA
60+ confessions and some containing details only the killer would know
On the bridge and admits he was and can be placed on the first platform
His gun ejected a bullet found between the bodies which can be matched to his gun
Dressed similarly as BG
He matches BG from the video in weight and height


Moo