Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #191

[ClearAhead]

From Murphy's testimony, he said (paraphrasing) after a fashion he realized EF was playing him, lying. He also said his sister wasn't reliable and IIRC, did have some problems. It was reported in the MS podcast Part 3 (IIRC that was when Murphy took the stand, day 3?)

Thank you, I wasn’t imagining it then. So Murphy wasn’t exactly a stellar defense witness. Good for him, honest answers.

 

[Spartygirl]

Does anyone recall a post made here pertaining to EF during the recent 3–day hearings. I’ve looked but I can’t find it. I think it was a tweet from a reporter. I don’t know who was testifying but the part I remember reading was that the sister suffered from mental illness and her tip was deemed unfounded.

I just remember hearing it on the MS recaps of the 3 day hearings
IIRC, It was Detective Murphy who said that, under oath.

 

[grannygates]

You implied you were working under different information so I asked for a link.

IMO

We are stuck with second-hand info right now which cannot be discussed due to TOS so we have to wait for transcripts. Sorry if I worded that wrong !

 

[grannygates]

I’m looking forward to reading the Judge’s decision. That’s what’s most important. It’s facts that are important, not opinions. One fact is McLeland asked each of the defense witnesses at the end of each of their testimonies if there was any evidence to place any particular one of the Odinist group at Delphi during the time of the crime. Each answered NO.

This is why the transcript will be important because there is an entire direct examination that was excluded from the podcast. I think it will be interesting for listeners to compare what all was excluded from these episodes and why that might be. MOO

 

[WildHuncher]

I don't know - have they been able to prove that BG was at the top of the bridge and followed the kids to the other side before abducting them? Or is it possible they got to the other side, were passed by someone and then that someone doubled back on them???

Nah.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

We are stuck with second-hand info right now which cannot be discussed due to TOS so we have to wait for transcripts. Sorry if I worded that wrong !

Second hand information absolutely can be discussed if it is linked and from an approved source.
There are many to choose from.

 

[sunshineray]

I was acknowledging that the podcast intentionally reported on just the cross examination.

They reported on Rossi also. They actually gave him extreme kudos for some of his examination skills. They also mentioned about Baldwin not returning to court, the judge asked Rossi where he was, he answered.

 

[ClearAhead]

This is why the transcript will be important because there is an entire direct examination that was excluded from the podcast. I think it will be interesting for listeners to compare what all was excluded from these episodes and why that might be. MOO

TOS stipulates a MSM source.

Try condensing everything said during 3 days of hearings can be summarized into 3 hours of podcasts! It goes without saying everything can’t be included.

Can you imagine how lengthy a transcript from a 3-day (appx 26 hours) hearing will be? You expect everyone has the time to search through pages upon pages for what? It’s not going to happen. MOO

 

[grannygates]

Second hand information absolutely can be discussed if it is linked and from a an approved source.
There are many to choose from.

I think that just MS and Gray Hughes are approved. There are a lot of people who went and took notes and shared them but they aren’t these two so I don’t think I’m allowed to link to their notes. Definitely correct me if I’m wrong because I would love to be able to share !

 

[grannygates]

Can you imagine how lengthy a transcript from a 3-day (appx 26 hours) hearing will be? You expect everyone has the time to search through pages upon pages for what? It’s not going to happen. MOO

RSBM

This is exactly my argument for why there needs to be cameras in the court room. No one* is going to read the transcript to fact check what is being reported to make sure they are fully informed and getting the full story. MOO

* added because there are a lot of us who will absolutely read it lol the average everyday person won’t want to read it all.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

I think that just MS and Gray Hughes are approved. There are a lot of people who went and took notes and shared them but they aren’t these two so I don’t think I’m allowed to link to their notes. Definitely correct me if I’m wrong because I would love to be able to share !

You may always reach out to a mod to ask. Or make a post asking if reports from a specific source would be allowed and self report.

 

[grannygates]

You may always reach out to a mod to ask. Or make a post asking if reports from a specific source would be allowed and self report.

Thank you for the info ! I’ll ask

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I hope the trial actually starts soon. The delay is detrimental to everyone.

Especially with the mental health aspect in play. Breathe in... breathe out.

 

[Salah11]

Especially with the mental health aspect in play. Breathe in... breathe out.

Was it not claimed he suffered with Depression for half his life?

So LE can not be blamed for his poor mental health. He had it way it before he brutally murdered two innocent children on an afternoon walk and LE came knocking.

IMO

 

[photographer4]

Does anyone recall a post made here pertaining to EF during the recent 3–day hearings. I’ve looked but I can’t find it. I think it was a tweet from a reporter. I don’t know who was testifying but the part I remember reading was that the sister suffered from mental illness and her tip was deemed unfounded.

I'm so perplexed here - so her tip was unfounded due to mental illness right? But then RA's info / confessions whatever we're calling them from prison under some sort of presumed mental health issues (smearing his own crud on himself???) are supposed to be valid? Perhaps the only difference is she didn't put herself there, only her brother. So many things to keep track of in the he / said she said of this crazy case (moooo!)

 

[Salah11]

I'm so perplexed here - so her tip was unfounded due to mental illness right? But then RA's info / confessions whatever we're calling them from prison under some sort of presumed mental health issues (smearing his own crud on himself???) are supposed to be valid? Perhaps the only difference is she didn't put herself there, only her brother. So many things to keep track of in the he / said she said of this crazy case (moooo!)

My last post tonight as it’s 11.50pm and i am tired.

There is evidence he committed the crime so a massive big difference. RA can be placed at the crime scene so of course what he claims holds more water.

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

I'm so perplexed here - so her tip was unfounded due to mental illness right? But then RA's info / confessions whatever we're calling them from prison under some sort of presumed mental health issues (smearing his own crud on himself???) are supposed to be valid? Perhaps the only difference is she didn't put herself there, only her brother. So many things to keep track of in the he / said she said of this crazy case (moooo!)

Murphy said he finally realized EF was (parapgrasing) playing him, conning him, making stuff up.

 

[MiniMoo]

Ok - how often did her car pass by the HH? Eg: was this her usual route to or from someplace? If so, seeing her car on this cam shows that she passed by the store on the date she said she did. It doesn’t show that she saw the guy on the day she said she did unless he too is on the HH video (or some other evidence shows the muddy / bloody guy walking where she said, when she said he did).

Is it confirmed that she is a local or nearby.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Was it not claimed he suffered with Depression for half his life?

So LE can not be blamed for his poor mental health. He had it way it before he brutally murdered two innocent children on an afternoon walk and LE came knocking.

IMO

I was NOT talking about RA's mental health. But since you brought him into the mix, his mental health decline wasn't because of his depression. IMO.

 

[ClearAhead]

I'm so perplexed here - so her tip was unfounded due to mental illness right? But then RA's info / confessions whatever we're calling them from prison under some sort of presumed mental health issues (smearing his own crud on himself???) are supposed to be valid? Perhaps the only difference is she didn't put herself there, only her brother. So many things to keep track of in the he / said she said of this crazy case (moooo!)

Yes you’re right! The thing is most other cases don’t take a deep dive into several other parties who were investigated, the focus remains who was charged.

Maybe it’s the difference between mental illness (a medical condition that doesn’t come and go without treatment) or an episode (re -RA although there is questions if he was faking it). I suppose her mental history which we don’t know might’ve been considered. Severity is also a factor. MOO