Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #191

[TTF14]

I don't normally listen to YouTubers, but The Murder Sheet has been a wonderful resource for the underhand tactics the defence have been using. I am glad there are podcasters willing to expose the underbelly of such sinister behaviour. I salute them and their bravery in putting their necks on the line.
After all, we want justice for Libby and Abby and such behaviour is just furthering the family's agony.

IMHO

Yes, they are fantastic! I just wish they'd cover both sides in an impartial way and not skip over the cross examinations. It would be nice to hear about the hearings in their entirety, not just certain parts. Otherwise, kudos to them.

IMO MOO

 

[photographer4]

I don't normally listen to YouTubers, but The Murder Sheet has been a wonderful resource for the underhand tactics the defence have been using. I am glad there are podcasters willing to expose the underbelly of such sinister behaviour. I salute them and their bravery in putting their necks on the line.
After all, we want justice for Libby and Abby and such behaviour is just furthering the family's agony.

IMHO

I don’t especially love their voices but they can’t really help that. I am waiting to see if we get transcripts which would be easier for me to focus on.

 

[photographer4]

I disagree. The spin on the information is the problem and stating half truths or something from early investigations that was proven not to be true...as being the truth. We've heard evidence about the Due Process Gang, a proven arm of the DR, knowing it was malarkey yet still promoting it to the public as truth. As I've said before, despicable behaviour, MO

Just trying to catch up - has anything come as a result of the whole due process gang thing? Eg: anyone been hit with slander or libel? Or anyone been called out for some breech of some order? Anyone been cancelled or fired from work over it? Just curious. It’s hard to keep up with everything going on.

 

[tlcya]

I disagree. The spin on the information is the problem and stating half truths or something from early investigations that was proven not to be true...as being the truth. We've heard evidence about the Due Process Gang, a proven arm of the DR, knowing it was malarkey yet still promoting it to the public as truth. As I've said before, despicable behaviour, MO

yes, what some continue to refer to as facts are, in actuality, merely the Defense's interpretation of the information they got via discover. Interpretations are not fact. Of course the defense's interpretation of that discovery will be the most beneficial one for their client. Still doesn't make it fact.

 

[sunshineray]

Just trying to catch up - has anything come as a result of the whole due process gang thing? Eg: anyone been hit with slander or libel? Or anyone been called out for some breech of some order? Anyone been cancelled or fired from work over it? Just curious. It’s hard to keep up with everything going on.

Your guess is as good as mine

 

[ClearAhead]

To me that would mean, RA must be exceptionally jealous re his partner KA. Paranoid about being abandoned and alone - every flirt by KA must have been a menace. Besides KA also his daughter, his friends and pub pals would know, if an according behavior by him was shown all the time.

From extreme jealousy to the double murder of two girls though is no straight line. Except, that RA possibly (silently) shouted to his partner KA from time to time: Don't let me alone for too long, otherwise I will do bad things, which I don't want to do! And if she indeed dared to leave him for a day or two, he did these very bad things.
Maybe KA feels a certain degree of guilt for what happened and therefore since his arrest doesn't want to hear anything about it. But RA wants to show her, how she got him into this situation with her behavior (leaving him alone) and would like to tell her everything in detail.

MOO and speculation

That would describe the epitome of a dysfunctional relationship, that’s for sure.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I don’t think that has been said elsewhere that RA and DD were friends. Did Nancy Grace say where she found that info? If they were friends, you would think DD would know his buddies last name. Just my opinion of course.

I thought it was "mates"? I know I am not going to listen to the NG BS to find out. I was done with her craziness during HC when she stood by Hayleigh's dad RC. A mate to me is my companion, so I am totally lost as to what is being said.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

you tubers and talking heads tend to be the very last sources I believe. The order for me is something like LE, prosecution, MSM using direct quotes from case players, my own psychic senses, youtubers/talking heads

THIS post is awesome ticya!! Hello .... waving.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Well we are all free to believe what we wish to. After all some believe RA is being framed by a large network of people that involve minors.

So I would much rather believe a Nancy Grace than a conspiracy like that and being a news corporation I’m sure they have sources.

IMHO

BBM

Minors?? Link please.

 

[tlcya]

THIS post is awesome ticya!! Hello .... waving.

hello, I think the whole DD being mates/friends/buddies with RA is just plain not true. I think that reporter guest on NG was telling a more dramatic story by injecting that bit. Although I have devoted some time the past couple of days attempting to find any hint from a more credible source if it true, I have been unable to substantiate that the conservation officer and RA were acquainted.

Although I do agree with others that since Delphi is a pretty small town most people probably have at least a periphery or passing familiarity with everyone else in town. I believe if they were more than passing on the street acquaintances DD would have recalled his name and other information.

for example: that's that guy who I see when I pick up my prescriptions, or that's that one fella I see sometimes at the corner bar, what's his name? Rich, Rick? Something like that.

 

[TTF14]

hello, I think the whole DD being mates/friends/buddies with RA is just plain not true. I think that reporter guest on NG was telling a more dramatic story by injecting that bit. Although I have devoted some time the past couple of days attempting to find any hint from a more credible source if it true, I have been unable to substantiate that the conservation officer and RA were acquainted.

Although I do agree with others that since Delphi is a pretty small town most people probably have at least a periphery or passing familiarity with everyone else in town. I believe if they were more than passing on the street acquaintances DD would have recalled his name and other information.

for example: that's that guy who I see when I pick u my prescriptions, or that's that one fella I see sometimes at the corner bar, what's his name? Rich, Rick? Something like that.

Is DD even from Delphi? For some reason I thought he was from a neighboring county, but I could be wrong about that. So, since I don't know, and this is genuinely just a question, I don't have a link.

IMO MOO

 

[Salah11]

BBM

Minors?? Link please.

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3 young girls saw Richard Allen on the trails and obviously if there is a grand conspiracy then they would also be involved quite clearly as they saw him after taking a photo of a bench at 1.26pm which places him on the trails at 1.30 like his original statement said.

Hence why this conspiracy is so absolutely ridiculous and he isn’t being set up. IMHO

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t think that has been said elsewhere that RA and DD were friends. Did Nancy Grace say where she found that info? If they were friends, you would think DD would know his buddies last name. Just my opinion of course.

Yes if true he most likely would. And that would boost the theory that the info was transposed to the ditital system wrong. MO

 

[tlcya]

Is DD even from Delphi? For some reason I thought he was from a neighboring county, but I could be wrong about that. So, since I don't know, and this is genuinely just a question, I don't have a link.

IMO MOO

I believe he was (maybe still is) a conservation officer if I am not mistaken, so assume his work might take him to the Delphi area. But that is only an assumption on my part. also public records w IN DNR show him being given an award for something in 2007 and he was then stationed in district 3 which would include the Delphi area I believe.

The statement RA gave to DD in 2017 very early on in the case took place in a parking lot outside a local grocery, I am only assuming that took place in Delphi. I don't even think he was working the girls' case per se. He may have been pressed into assisting with LE in looking for witnesses in those early days but don't think he was actually part of the investigation.

from an article in 2022
Baldwin and Rozzi write that Allen gave a voluntary statement in February of 2017 to, “a Conservation Officer outside of the local grocery store,” detailing his presence on the Monon High Bridge the day Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, that Allen was never contacted again by police . . .
https://fox59.com/indiana-news/defense-and-law-enforcement-spar-over-delphi-murders-investigation/

I think DD thought it was a big nothing, wrote up some notes, turned them over to the actual investigators and went on his merry way, never giving it another thought.

all of the above is JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

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3 young girls saw Richard Allen on the trails and obviously if there is a grand conspiracy then they would also be involved quite clearly as they saw him after taking a photo of a bench at 1.26pm which places him on the trails at 1.30 like his original statement said.

Hence why this conspiracy is so absolutely ridiculous and he isn’t being set up. IMHO

4 young girls wasn't it? (only 3 mentioned) IMO. I disagree that those minors would be in a conspiracy by most, except maybe for those who read more into these said conspiracies. MOO


ETA: These juveniles clearly saw a man of varying descriptions, but what man is yet to be 100% known.

 

[Salah11]

4 young girls wasn't it? (only 3 mentioned) IMO. I disagree that those minors would be in a conspiracy by most, expect maybe for those who read more into these said conspiracies. MOO

Well, if he is being set up, which some seem convinced he is, then obviously any witnesses would be involved in that conspiracy.

Those young girls place him on the trails at the time he originally stated he was there. It’s just as well they have visual proof of the bench so they know they passed him after they took the photo.

MOO

 

[Ravenmoon]

I think they face appeals ahead anyhow really. This case is a colossal mess!!

JG remains silent on all the “under advisement” matters. I doubt we go to trial in October. It’s like I said before - nothing ever gets sorted in her court hearings. I was shocked she finally vacated safekeeping!! Does not seem she has a set date by which she must rule over these matters - but - I am not a lawyer. I’ve asked before and no one seems to know!

I have read that she has 30 days.
You will have to consider this as my opinion because this comes from different podcasts.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Early on, after RA’s arrest, if I remember correctly, the defense attorney made a statement that RA was factually innocent.
It’s been almost two years and I haven’t heard one single fact indicating RA is innocent.


Edit: typo

 

[photographer4]

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3 young girls saw Richard Allen on the trails and obviously if there is a grand conspiracy then they would also be involved quite clearly as they saw him after taking a photo of a bench at 1.26pm which places him on the trails at 1.30 like his original statement said.

Hence why this conspiracy is so absolutely ridiculous and he isn’t being set up. IMHO

Objectively, they saw someone. It’s possible they saw RA. We could even say likely since he reported that he saw some kids there as well. But how did they identify that it was specifically RA vs literally any other man who may have been lurking about that day? Did LE do some sort of lineup? Did they show the kids photos? If yes to either, were the men brought in / photos shown one by one or was a a group presented at the same time? What sort of questions did LE ask if the kids were asked to do a lineup? EG: did police say: who did you see that day (which implies the guy they saw IS in the lineup, even if he might not be and which is leading the witness). A lot of people have noted that RA looks a lot like any other guy - sometimes even like some of the other possible suspects that LE have discussed in public in the past, but who’s names I do not remember so I cannot share. How are the kids certain they saw RA? HOW certain are they on a scale of 1-10 with ten being absolute certainty?

Did they ask RA which kids he saw? Was he ever shown their faces or asked to describe them?

It’s likely RA saw the kids, and the kids saw him, but I’d like some more information before I hang him based on that alone.

No links… so examples only and MOOOO

 

[Salah11]

Early on, after RA’s arrest, if I remember correctly, the defense attorney made a statement that RA was factually innocent.
It’s been almost two years and I haven’t heard one single fact indicating RA is innocent.


Edit: typo

Yep I mean they can not even give him an alibi which speaks volumes on his innocents.

IMO