Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

[sunshineray]

Maybe, during her video she didn't know the name yet.

So her killer made sure he introduced himself to her, told her his name?

 

[joe jones]

Does anybody have a link to a good resource of what was said during last court session, thanks

 

[tlcya]

So her killer made sure he introduced himself to her, told her his name?

makes as much sense as some of what I've read in these threads

 

[TTF14]

So her killer made sure he introduced himself to her, told her his name?

More than one person, someone said his name?

(question mark denotes theory/question only, my opinion, no link required)

 

[photographer4]

Or they just leave the court room at that time. During the 3 day hearing his mother and wife left at the tough parts. They had obviously been told to do that.

It’s just sickening as the families of Libby and Abby don’t to have such luxury’s when it comes to be able to ignore the gruesome details that RA inflicted on them.

IMO

Who would tell them to do this when they can read the articles or listen to the podcasts with the details as easily as any of us can?

 

[susiQ]

Same here. Indisputable phone records from lots of people, not just LG and RA, tracing all movements, communications, and interactions for the 12th, 13th, and 14th. Maybe even the 15th and beyond.

IMO MOO

It is quite unfortunate, IMO, that THAT was not done for some very suspicious characters.

 

[Salah11]

Who would tell them to do this when they can read the articles or listen to the podcasts with the details as easily as any of us can?

Why would his wife and mother go searching out the gory details when they have likely been told to not listen to any of it?

That’s exactly what RA wanted them to avoid at all costs. Ignorance is bliss so they say.

IMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Go through your cases? I don't understand what you mean?

I've followed a lot of cases here and posted updates from the CCS.

 

[Spartygirl]

So LG knew EF? By his first and last name, but never said his name on the video?
Instead, she tried to paint his name in blood, his last initial?

Yeah, big NOPE-- I don't think so. JMO

It was poor Libby clinging for dear life and her blood wiped along that tree as she was trying to support herself.
Now that ^^^ makes way more sense. IMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Maybe it wasn't as specifically said to the media back then. LE was extremely closed-mouthed those earlier years.

How else would we have known about it?

It was known in Feb 2021:

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

 

[tlcya]

Indiana State Police Lt. Jerry Holeman also gave damning testimony about Allen’s alleged confessions, telling the court a fellow inmate had come forward to claim that Allen had not only confessed – but had revealed his chosen murder weapon.

Allen allegedly claimed he killed Libby and Abby with a boxcutter and disposed of it by throwing it in a dumpster outside CVS.
Prosecutors say Delphi murders suspect confessed 60 times.

Other indicators included that the cause of death according to Perlmutter was that the girls’ throats were slit with a sharp object. Perlmutter also said that the murder weapon, a ceremonial knife was a part of the case, but the official weapon is not known in the case.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/delphi-murders-ritualistic-killings-details/

I am reasonably certain an expert can testify as to whether the type of blade used is one that might be found on a bladed knife, say one meant for ritual sacrifice versus a box cutter. I look forward to trial and hope the state asks Perlmutter if she considered a boxcutter a ceremonial knife.

 

[sunshineray]

Imagine, if Libby tried (and fulfilled) to give a hint to someone with the letter "F" as the first letter of his surname! Spitting EF comes to one's mind.

ETA: Then comes to one's mind also this: The BG on the bridge in Libby's video for a fraction of a second looked, as if he spat to his left side .... I saw it myself or I at least mean, to have seen it for myself. We all were thinking of spitting or singing or speaking or shouting, noone could recognize it exactly. But the BG opened and closed his mouth, while looking to his left side for 1-2 seconds.

I always thought he was probably talking to himself. MO

 

[sunshineray]

makes as much sense as some of what I've read in these threads

and in the FMs

 

[photographer4]

Why would his wife and mother go searching out the gory details when they have likely been told to not listen to any of it?

That’s exactly what RA wanted them to avoid at all costs. Ignorance is bliss so they say.

IMO

There is a diff between searching out the gory details and sitting through a courtroom hearing imo. I was only asking who would have asked them to leave that part and why?

 

[sunshineray]

More than one person, someone said his name?

(question mark denotes theory/question only, my opinion, no link required)

Do you call your friends by their first and last names when you talk to them? Or maybe some of the Odinists were framing EF by saying his full name in front of the victims? Oh wait, that wouldn't work, they murdered both girls so neither could tell.

 

[sunshineray]

How else would we have known about it?

It was known in Feb 2021:

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

Yes but didn't you say in your post you were looking for something before that date?

 

[FrostedGlass]

Does anybody have a link to a good resource of what was said during last court session, thanks

You can check out the news articles here or find a podcaster of your choice. @arielilane posts news articles here.

IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION #2

@davebangert Status hearing set for Aug. 23 in case of Richard Allen, accused in the 2017 murders of Delphi teens Abby Williams and Libby German. First part closed to public, Judge Gull says. 1/ In the closing minutes of the three days of pretrial hearings July 30-Aug 1, including a nearly...

www.websleuths.com

Hopefully the transcripts will be out soon and you can read for yourself what was said.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I always thought he was probably talking to himself. MO

Interesting thought. Do you suppose he was still talking to himself throughout the murders?
I wonder if he has a dual personality.

 

[TTF14]

Do you call your friends by their first and last names when you talk to them? Or maybe some of the Odinists were framing EF by saying his full name in front of the victims? Oh wait, that wouldn't work, they murdered both girls so neither could tell.

An E and an F look remarkably similar. You even have to write an F to get to an E.

IMO MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yes but didn't you say in your post you were looking for something before that date?

I'll try this again.
I found a convo we had here in July 2021 asking about the "all over by 3:30" comment
I found the linked article dated Feb 17, 2021.
That article references a press conference where the "all over by 3:30" comment was made
So I'm looking for a press conference that happened prior to Feb 17 2021.

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers - Carroll County Comet

It was announced there would be no press conference on the fourth anniversary of the murders of Liberty German and Abigail William, the two middle school students who went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail in 2017 and did not return alive. Questions about the case from both the local...

www.carrollcountycomet.com