Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #196

[shonyakay]

RA was housed in the Maximum Security Segregation Unit in Westville under suicide watch. A unit of approx 150 inmates that were housed 2 per cell. RA was allowed his own cell and certain other privileges others were not. He was not stuck in a dark hole in the prison basement in a straight jacket. There was regular activity, his physical and mental were assessed during intake and he had consistent access to a MH therapist. He had rec time, access to religious services if he elected to attend, showers and clean clothes provided as any other person incarcerated in jail or prison.


RA is a Defendant in a high profile double homicide in a County that did not have the resources to monitor or transport him safely. RA waived his right to a court appointed counsel during his first Court appearance. He stated he would be obtaining his own Attorney. He did not have counsel when moved, but that was RA's choice not the States. RA then submitted a letter to the Court asking for a public defense because he 'didn't realize how expensive it would be'. Rozzi and Baldwin were appointed by the Court after that. Here's a copy of that letter from Court Filings:

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Wow. RA's writing style is unique. The state will have no problem verifying that he is the one who wrote the letter to the warden that contains a confession from him. Imo.

 

[statt#1]

I'll opine the prison system isn't an ideal environment for rest and relaxation, not an attractive place for many, and certainly not on my list of places I'd like to spend my years.

It did, however, in Indiana, keep this accused man from committing suicide, and also kept him alive otherwise.

Though others seem to question the way things were handled with this suspect, I do not. If there were some huge conspiracy to treat this one accused in a dramatically unfair and different manner than others, if there truly (that's an important word here) some impropriety involved in his treatment by the prison system, I'd imagine his attorneys, or some other entity, would bring it to light in some legal case...that's what attorneys do, right?

Prison isn't the same as a trip to Walt Disney World. This is my opinion on the matter.

Back in the day, AP news said....

Indiana attorneys allege poor treatment against man accused of killing two girls

Attorneys for an Indiana man accused of killing two teenage girls six years ago argued before a judge Thursday that the man has been mistreated at the prison he is housed in, requesting relocation to a different facility.

apnews.com

 

[shonyakay]

3. Are there any other instances that you know of like RA’s with the accused being held in “solitary confinement” (per media links above) for as long as RA had been? In the same conditions he was facing? If so, pls link me as I would be interested to know which case set this precedent that made this ok. I’m not a lawyer and this is the first such case I have followed. I wonder if RA’s case has just set a scary precedent and wonder what makes this ok?

Snipped by me.
I am currently watching a Dateline episode about Anthony Garcia, accused of killing 4 people.
This man was a pre trial detainee kept in solitary confinement for 3 1/2 years.

Dr. Anthony Garcia’s death penalty hearing likely delayed after Judge orders mental competency exam for ‘Creighton Killer’

Convicted Creighton Killer, Dr. Anthony Garcia, sat in court catatonic, refusing to answer the Judge in court Convicted murderer Dr. Anthony Garcia sat mute during a mandatory preliminary death pen…

medicineofomaha.wordpress.com

 

[FrostedGlass]

Snipped by me.
I am currently watching a Dateline episode about Anthony Garcia, accused of killing 4 people.
This man was a pre trial detainee kept in solitary confinement for 3 1/2 years.

Dr. Anthony Garcia’s death penalty hearing likely delayed after Judge orders mental competency exam for ‘Creighton Killer’

Convicted Creighton Killer, Dr. Anthony Garcia, sat in court catatonic, refusing to answer the Judge in court Convicted murderer Dr. Anthony Garcia sat mute during a mandatory preliminary death pen…

medicineofomaha.wordpress.com

IMO
Yes, it happens all over the US but I'm shocked and appalled that (apparently) there are so many cases here in Indiana.

 

[sunshineray]

1. Probably because that’s what it’s been called by the media?

Attorneys split on appeal potential in Delphi double murder case

CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. — Since late October of 2022, Richard Allen has remained in solitary confinement, mostly in a maximum security state prison but recently in a county jail, awaiting trial …

fox59.com

Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen wants to appeal rulings, raising possibility of trial delay

The development could lead to another delay in the long-awaited trial, currently set to start on Oct. 14.

www.jconline.com

Delphi suspect Richard Allen's lawyers say he's treated like POW

Attorneys for Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen, accused of murdering two Indiana teenage girls in 2017, say he's been treated like a prisoner of war in a motion to move him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

2. He’s an accused. Not convicted child killer. Big difference imo. When they arrested and placed him into the conditions they did, on what grounds did they do so? Did he have counsel? What made it ok to keep him in this situation for a prolonged period exceeding several months? I’m genuinely asking that the state justify this. It’s outrageous imo. And I offer this link to show how long he was held in this situation: ‘Safekeeping’ order ends for Richard Allen. Pivotal pretrial testimony in play in Delphi murders
Looks like arrested 2022 and moved to county in August 2024. This is disgraceful imo.

3. Are there any other instances that you know of like RA’s with the accused being held in “solitary confinement” (per media links above) for as long as RA had been? In the same conditions he was facing? If so, pls link me as I would be interested to know which case set this precedent that made this ok. I’m not a lawyer and this is the first such case I have followed. I wonder if RA’s case has just set a scary precedent and wonder what makes this ok?

Do his attorneys have any culpability in the length of time RA has waited in custody for his trial to start?

 

[Salah11]

Are there any more up and coming court dates considering the trial should start in just over 1 month?

Realistically likely not going to happen but it’s frustrating to be so close yet so far. IMO

 

[AugustWest]

09/11/2024

Objection Filed State's Response for Motion to Certify.pdf Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 09/10/2024

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

 

[sunshineray]

09/11/2024

Objection Filed State's Response for Motion to Certify.pdf Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 09/10/2024

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

What are the defense wanting to certify?

 

[AugustWest]

What are the defense wanting to certify?

This is the State response to yesterdays' filing of the Motion to Certify Interlocutory Appeal.

 

[Salah11]

09/11/2024

Objection Filed State's Response for Motion to Certify.pdf Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 09/10/2024

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

Very well played by the prosecution

IMo

 

[iamshadow21]

Very well played by the prosecution

IMo

Could someone hit the high notes? I can't load the link, suspect because I'm not in the US.

 

[AugustWest]

Could someone hit the high notes? I can't load the link, suspect because I'm not in the US.

It is just a notice, not the actual document. I'll get some screen grabs of the document in a few.

 

[iamshadow21]

It is just a notice, not the actual document. I'll get some screen grabs of the document in a few.

Thank you, I appreciate it. <3

 

[sunshineray]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> I wasn't speaking about the entire legal system's attributes or inadequacies per say. I was speaking to the culpability of it's attorneys that are bad actors, be it by conscious choices, by inadequacies of their legal talents or both. Just some very real questions I have that have come up while following this case.

 

[AugustWest]

@iamshadow21 Here's one:

 

[AugustWest]

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[AugustWest]

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[iamshadow21]

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Thank you so much!

 

[Trebor5591]

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #195

Didn't someone(s) employed at/by the prison go through every page and make copies of it first? I thought I remembered that. Sorry but that sounds farfetched since everything at the prison was video recorded per testimony.

www.websleuths.com

My fear all along with these so call "confessions" of RA is that when you drill into them and learn the details, they are going to be quite underwhelming. In this case, the guard watching Allen in his cell says he overheard Allen apologizing out loud for murdering Abby. Like I said, quite underwhelming. This is not a "confession", this is a guard in a noisy prison claiming he overheard Allen talking to himself. If I were a juror, I would have kinds of doubt about this. How many other of these "Confessions" are going to have problems if they are looked at closely? IMO

 

[photographer4]

I wasn't speaking about the entire legal system's attributes or inadequacies per se. I was speaking to the culpability of it's attorneys that are bad actors, be it by conscious choices, by inadequacies of their legal talents or both. Just some very real questions I have that have come up while following this case.

Yeah I have those same questions about all the parties in this proceeding.