Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[FrostedGlass]

@FrostedGlass
I have long held onto the theory that the Wabash River search was connected, along with other actors being involved in some way. Below is all I can find from Vido’s testimony. I have not seen transcripts stating where no link was made. Noting that the article references a search at the crime scene, not the Wabash. Unsure if that is a media mistake, and they meant Wabash, or if it’s what Vido said.

Vido testified that significant resources were devoted to investigating whether Kline and his father, Jerry, were connected to the murders before Richard Allen was arrested, even taking Kline to a cemetery near the crime scene in August 2022, where Kline claimed to have gone with his dad on the day the girls were killed.

Vido said Kline had told police his father went into the woods for a few hours and came back with blood on him, and that his dad threw a cellphone and knife in the river before they left the area. The detective told the court that investigators later searched the water near the crime scene, but they found no cell phone belonging to Kline or knife matching the one he described.

Vido said after Allen’s arrest months later in October 2022, investigators discovered Allen had at some point lived in the same Miami County neighborhood as the Kline family, but they never found proof the families spent time together.

On cross examination, Vido told prosecutors that police were able to disprove that Kegan Kline and his dad had been in Delphi on the day of the murders, testifying that investigators found cellphone evidence showing both were at home in Peru. Vido told the court that investigators were not able to place Kline or his father at the crime scene or in Delphi on the day of the murders.

Richard Allen gets approval to transfer out of maximum security prison ahead of Delphi murders trial

A third day of pre-trial hearings in the Delphi murders case ended with a win for defendant Richard Allen — he will now be detained in a county jail.

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From what I've read, I concluded that the suspects named were cleared prior to RA's arrest. So the P claiming there were other suspects (reason for sealing the PCA) has always been puzzling.

 

[FrostedGlass]

ISP Harshman has told us what was said, as far as the reason RA changed his mind after 61+confessions and dozens of incriminating statements. Harshman has listened to every communication between RA and his family members. Dr. Wala has also given us her perspective on those relationships between RA and his family. Add to that the warden's info. All told to us under oath. We know some of RA's thoughts and I believe it's gives us a good handle on why he's not changing his plea. Maybe that will change but I have pretty much no hope myself that RA's attorneys will honor any change of mind he may be entertaining at this point. That's just MO from their behaviors throughout this whole case. The above is AJMO

He has also claimed he's innocent. Are his attys supposed to ignore those?

 

[ClearAhead]

From what I've read, I concluded that the suspects named were cleared prior to RA's arrest. So the P claiming there were other suspects (reason for sealing the PCA) has always been puzzling.

‘Others involved’ didn’t necessarily mean LE suspected another person or person/s was involved in committing the murders. It could refer to an accomplice or someone aiding and abetting who might’ve driven there and/or picked him up, helped him to wash up or assisted in cleaning up the vehicle, or otherwise assisted him in covering up his crime in some way.

Until RA’s arrest was put out to the public, it couldn’t be known by LE if anyone knew of someone out there who he might’ve been connected with. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

No, but he could have mis-remembered, confused the times, tightened up a vague reply.... Gotta remember: he stood right up on stage at the PC and didn't put RA on the bridge.

I think chain of command may have played a part and DD was a CO, low on the ladder of investigators. Was that PC with DD on stage during the midst of KAK search (right before or after)? Being that a victim was communicating with him on the day of the murders, that I'm sure was probaly center stage in the investigation at some point, early on.

Sometimes in investigations mistakes happen and information is overlooked or misplaced but that doesn't mean it can't come to light and a killer is finally identified. AJMO

 

[ClearAhead]

He has also claimed he's innocent. Are his attys supposed to ignore those?

Imagine what his attorneys and his wife and mother have drilled into his head to get him to crease with the dozens and dozens of confessions. You’ll be found innocent, repeat after me!

 

[sunshineray]

He has also claimed he's innocent. Are his attys supposed to ignore those?

Do you think his attorneys have listened to all 61+ confessions and dozens more incriminating statements? I do. As far as RA's claims of innocence, do you think they have those on video/audio? Do you think they'll get played at trial like his guilt media will? I don't. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe RA will take the stand to proclaim his innocence, a longshot but maybe?

 

[sunshineray]

Imagine what his attorneys and his wife and mother have drilled into his head to get him to crease with the dozens and dozens of confessions. You’ll be found innocent, repeat after me!

I think it was the cold shoulder approach that got him to cease. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Such a prime POI that when he called the tip line, they sent DD, not even police officer, but a conservation officer to take his information. At a grocery store. Not even at the police station. So prime a POI, the person who met with him thinks he took a recording - but as of last Sept (Franks 1, linked by me in a post above)... he couldn't locate.

2. Its not just that RA can't get himself off that bridge - its that LE can't place anyone ON that bridge (or at the south end where the words DTH were spoken). So I go back to this - a man working for pest control had called Grey Hughes to discuss that he had seen a car parked NEAR the CPS building which was there when he arrived about 8:45am, and there when he left around 2:15pm.

A friend of his saw the same vehicle "on the other side " at about 3:30pm. He saw officers and decided to give them some tips. He asked the officer: "Why was the time on this vehicle reported between noon and five? Well, I didn't know that there was another vehicle and he said it was parked at that CPS building backed in to where they couldn't see the license plate". The caller noted he never saw that CPS car when he was there. BUT:

What made police automatically discount the car along the side of the road in the correct times as being of any interest in this crime? Before even investigating it, they seemed disinterested and more concerned with the car at CPS.... (probably because it was backed in). But my point is - they discounted this tip without even investigating it seems! This makes me wonder, did LE have tunnel vision about the CPS car and then ignore any evidence that it had nothing to do with the crime?

(its an 8 minute video) and I sure would like to know - how did police automatically discount this info in favour of the CPS car? MOO.

He says it's possible he didn't see the car at the CPS building. As for the vehicle he did see, perhaps LE was disinterested in it because they were already aware of it, for instance someone who had business in that area (with phone records to confirm it). LE had no obligation to share their investigation, including whether his tip was significant or not.

jmo

 

[ClearAhead]

Not sure when he stood on stage - was he there maybe because they hoped he might see / recognize the man who'd been at the bridge that he had talked to? Weird. Why was he there at all? He is a conservation officer, no? mooo

Read a bit about the role of conservation officers, remembering when Libby and Abby were first reported missing they were last known to be at a trail system in a rural park.

Home

Official page of the Indiana Department of Natural Resources Division of Law Enforcement

www.in.gov

 

[ClearAhead]

I think it was the cold shoulder approach that got him to cease. JMO

Or a combination of things. Told enough times by his attorneys, wife and mother that he’d been brainwashed by the ‘corruption’ that surrounded him, maybe he just went with it.

Did Richard Allen confess to killing two Delphi teens? Here's what we learned

Witnesses testified this week about Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen's statements and behavior following his arrest.

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“Allen's wife and mother became "extremely upset" during those calls, Harshman testified. "As the confessions went on," he said, Allen's mother would tell him that "they're messing with you."

 

[Megnut]

How come RA never came forward a second time, of his own volition, to ask if it would be helpful if he reported what he had and hadn't seen before or after 1:30? Didn't think it important to let LE know what cars he did or didn't see, to help lock down the time "BG" got there?

Could have been really helpful to LE who was on the trail and what cars he saw...

But when they brought him in to let him clear things up... he didn't much like the pressure. I don't imagine most suspects do.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Or a combination of things. Told enough times by his attorneys, wife and mother that he’d been brainwashed by the ‘corruption’ that surrounded him, maybe he just went with it.

Did Richard Allen confess to killing two Delphi teens? Here's what we learned

Witnesses testified this week about Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen's statements and behavior following his arrest.

www.indystar.com

“Allen's wife and mother became "extremely upset" during those calls, Harshman testified. "As the confessions went on," he said, Allen's mother would tell him that "they're messing with you."

He was saying would they still love him if he did it, and every bit of their reaction sent him the message 'no'.

Their rejection of his confessions and his subsequent backtracking of them makes complete sense to me.

If they'd been horrified but told him to follow his conscience then I think we would have had a different plea by now.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Not sure when he stood on stage - was he there maybe because they hoped he might see / recognize the man who'd been at the bridge that he had talked to? Weird. Why was he there at all? He is a conservation officer, no? mooo

This one; he was standing behind Carter and you can see him walking off the stage at the very end.
I've never seen a list of names identifying all the people on stage but I count at least 20.
Feb 22, 2017

 

[photographer4]

Imagine what his attorneys and his wife and mother have drilled into his head to get him to crease with the dozens and dozens of confessions. You’ll be found innocent, repeat after me!

"Objection! Calls for speculation!" - LMAO teasing.

 

[Vern]

‘Others involved’ didn’t necessarily mean LE suspected another person or person/s was involved in committing the murders. It could refer to an accomplice or someone aiding and abetting who might’ve driven there and/or picked him up, helped him to wash up or assisted in cleaning up the vehicle, or otherwise assisted him in covering up his crime in some way.

Until RA’s arrest was put out to the public, it couldn’t be known by LE if anyone knew of someone out there who he might’ve been connected with. MOO

They continued to investigate to determine if others were involved.

 

[photographer4]

He says it's possible he didn't see the car at the CPS building. As for the vehicle he did see, perhaps LE was disinterested in it because they were already aware of it, for instance someone who had business in that area (with phone records to confirm it). LE had no obligation to share their investigation, including whether his tip was significant or not.

jmo

I took and posted the quote in my post directly from the transcript at the link - is it inaccurate? I can't stand to watch Grey...

 

[photographer4]

Read a bit about the role of conservation officers, remembering when Libby and Abby were first reported missing they were last known to be at a trail system in a rural park.

Home

Official page of the Indiana Department of Natural Resources Division of Law Enforcement

www.in.gov

At the point when he interviewed RA, the kids had already been found not just dead, but murdered. At the moment they were found dead, and it was suspected (or obvious) foul play, then imo, that should be an investigation limited to police. Maybe its done differently out there but this is the first case I've ever heard of with a conservation officer interviewing persons of interest when murder victims bodies are located. MOOOOO

 

[photographer4]

How come RA never came forward a second time, of his own volition, to ask if it would be helpful if he reported what he had and hadn't seen before or after 1:30? Didn't think it important to let LE know what cars he did or didn't see, to help lock down the time "BG" ?

Could have been really helpful to LE who was on the trail and what cars he saw...

But when they brought him in to let him clear things up... he didn't much like the pressure. I don't imagine most suspects do.

JMO

I think he was as helpful as he could but UNTIL he realized he was a suspect according to his lawyers... Defense files to suppress comments made by Richard Allen on the day of his arrest - Carroll County Comet

 

[sunshineray]

This one; he was standing behind Carter and you can see him walking off the stage at the very end.
I've never seen a list of names identifying all the people on stage but I count at least 20.
Feb 22, 2017

So this was before the KAK search warrant and arrest.

 

[Vern]

By the morning of February 14th, 2017 an entire "Coalition of Law Enforcement" agencies and their members were out looking for Abby & Libby (Local, State, Conservation etc).

I imagine that all those different agencies were all represented on that stage during the presser.

Richard Allen case | Full timeline and events so far

A status hearing held in Fort Wayne on Thursday will allow Judge Francis Gull to address both the defense and prosecution ahead of Richard Allen's jury trial.

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