Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

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I can not wait to hear his motive as I still believe he was meeting Libby that day.

It’s just to much of a coincidence that he arrived about 20 mins before the girls and he was prepared with a kill kit. Not only that he had concealed some of his face with a face covering I believe he said in an interview.

Moo

If he was meeting LG that day, then how was this arranged? The D tells us in Franks 1, FINAL DRAFT - 9.17 at 6.30 pm - Delphi Franks brief.pdf | PDF Host


So by what means would he have been able to pre-arrange? Unless he used some phone that LE never found and a username / profile they couldn't connect him to?

 

[ClearAhead]

I can not wait to hear his motive as I still believe he was meeting Libby that day.

It’s just to much of a coincidence that he arrived about 20 mins before the girls and he was prepared with a kill kit. Not only that he had concealed some of his face with a face covering I believe he said in an interview.

Moo

I don’t know anything’s possible but for me it would be easier to imagine it wasn’t preplanned. RA was having some kind of psychotic and paranoid episode, wasn’t taking his meds, intentionally brought weapons to protect himself, on the trails something set him off in a rage about the girls even if it was that they were having a good time, jabbering and snickering between themselves, nothing to do with him but he thought they were making fun of him….rather than RA catfishing teens online solely for the sake of luring one (or two) for him to murder, to a place teens were known to hang out.

Hopefully we learn more during the trial. JMO

 

[Salah11]

If he was meeting LG that day, then how was this arranged? The D tells us in Franks 1, FINAL DRAFT - 9.17 at 6.30 pm - Delphi Franks brief.pdf | PDF Host

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So by what means would he have been able to pre-arrange? Unless he used some phone that LE never found and a username / profile they couldn't connect him to?

He had 5 years to delete any trace of his plans that day.



Also, I could be completely wrong, but it’s just so coincidental, and we know Libby was chatting to random people online that she believed were teenage boys. It could also be as simple as putting up somewhere on a social media account what the plans were that afternoon, and he was following her account.

She had done a hard reset as well on her phone, so a lot of evidence was likely lost, I believe, a few days prior.


Moo

 

[Spartygirl]

If the defense don’t throw a spanner in the works is anybody on the thread planning to attend?

I am trying to get there.

I am recovering from surgery and my Post-OP appt is next week so hoping I am released medically.

I have been told by locals that it will be hard to get into the courtroom as it is small and limited capacity, but if I can at least get in one day (hoping for a week) then it will be worth it to me to get there.

 

[Spartygirl]

I can not wait to hear his motive as I still believe he was meeting Libby that day.

It’s just to much of a coincidence that he arrived about 20 mins before the girls and he was prepared with a kill kit. Not only that he had concealed some of his face with a face covering I believe he said in an interview.

Moo

1000% Agree

 

[Cyber sleuth]

If RA came onto the trails with a sharp instrument and a loaded gun but left his phone in his car or home then I am going to presume this was premeditated to a degree.
From my understanding his wife was away and he had the day to himself. I believe he knew the trails would have some teenagers on it as it was a day off school and unseasonably warm. I think his motive is pretty clear considering the girls were partially/fully undressed.
I don’t think the victims did anything to “set him off”.
JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

The only good thing about that bridge is it doesn’t swing. But if I were ever to cross it, which is doubtful, I wouldn’t do so while anyone was coming from the other way for fear colliding, accidentally or otherwise especially if that person showed any of indications of unsteadiness, including signs of inebriation. MOO

When we went there (to Delphi for fundraiser and to the trails and bridge), we were told by family and locals that it is kind of an "unwritten rule" or "common courtesy" that you do NOT pass others while on the bridge.

You WAIT until they get across if you are going the opposite way across it.

There were NO railings, there were missing planks and some rotted planks to walk across.

I would imagine locals and others who have been there before, would adhere to that.
JMO and discussed while I was there.

 

[sunshineray]

Am I the only Nervous Nellie that is sure that the Defense Team is going to throw some huge major wrench in the works at the last minute to delay this trial, and that we’ll be on this carousel of beating dead horses forever and ever, discussing the same theories ad nauseum for 13 months, instead of a mere 13 days?

Talk me off the ledge, WS’ers!

I can't take you off that ledge, not knowing all the things they've done, BUT I can come out there and keep you company because the countdown is making me anxious too <3

 

[katydid23]

I did not watch whatever episode you're referring to. There were various reports of the slight altercation between the two men. Here is the only place I've ever heard internet folks called cranks.

The 'slight altercation' which got them both banned from the courthouse, even though they were both on the witness list for the Defense? I think it was more than 'slight' if the judge went to a formal ban of the two of them. IMO

 

[katydid23]

My initial thought was he killed the girls because they laughed at his weirdness when they passed him and he went into a rage.

But then again, to have a gun and a sharp instrument also show premeditated intent.

I think he knew he was a going to kidnap them before they passed him. I think he saw them and knew it was his opportunity to get two young girls in a remote and vulnerable situation.

 

[katydid23]

I agree with you. I think he had a pre-meditated plan and went to the bridge with intent that day. I also think he very well may have had foreknowledge that the girls were going to be there, or at minimum, one of them.

I really hope to hear the phone conversation(s) with his wife etc. where he admits to killing the girls. I REALLY hope to hear that!

I am pretty sure the D is going to fight hard to keep those audio taped confessions out but I do think, in the end, some of those confessions will be played in court.

 

[Vern]

D-12 ... A Dirty Dozen more ...

Soon Abby & Libby. Soon.

 

[FromGermany1]

If RA came onto the trails with a sharp instrument and a loaded gun but left his phone in his car or home then I am going to presume this was premeditated to a degree.
From my understanding his wife was away and he had the day to himself. I believe he knew the trails would have some teenagers on it as it was a day off school and unseasonably warm. I think his motive is pretty clear considering the girls were partially/fully undressed.
I don’t think the victims did anything to “set him off”.
JMO

When the other (4) girls saw him, he was already on a mission or at least he seemed to be. Had a scarf or something over the mouth area, didn't return a greeting and went boldly on his way, so I remember. Near the Freedom Bridge, where he met these girls, he seemed to be focused on his way to MHB and only that. So I assume, at that point his goal was already fixed: going to MHB and expecting there 2 girls namely Abby and Libby - who ever had him told it. I believe, his plan had already been decided. It wasn't neccessary to ridicule him. If it indeed happened, it wouldn't have made things worse. IMO

 

[mrjitty]

He had 5 years to delete any trace of his plans that day.



Also, I could be completely wrong, but it’s just so coincidental, and we know Libby was chatting to random people online that she believed were teenage boys. It could also be as simple as putting up somewhere on a social media account what the plans were that afternoon, and he was following her account.

She had done a hard reset as well on her phone, so a lot of evidence was likely lost, I believe, a few days prior.


Moo

I can see why the catfishing creating a strong suspicion against the catfisher, but I actually don't think it is coincidental against anyone else.

First, it seems highly unlikely to me that catfisher would share with RA, unless they were criminal associates in that enterprise but we know there is no evidence of it, and if they were, catfisher would have cut a deal for that testimony. So at best that leaves some kind of random sharing, which i find highly unlikely.

Second. there is a human tendency to what to relate two suspicious events so that one must cause the other. But this heuristic is often wrong. For instance, if you look at all teenage girls getting catfished today what is the chance one has a fatal car accident revealing the catfishing? The two events are obviously unrelated, but one leads to the reveal of the other

So this feels suspiciously unlucky from Libby's POV, but if you look at it from the POV of all catfishers in the US, there is actually a reasonable chance one gets revealed in this way.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

The 'slight altercation' which got them both banned from the courthouse, even though they were both on the witness list for the Defense? I think it was more than 'slight' if the judge went to a formal ban of the two of them. IMO

I don't consider their "heated conversation" anything other than a slight altercation. Neither were arrested, neither were injured. IMO no big deal other than a noisy disruption which was against the judge's rules of decorum.

I never heard what either witness was called to testify to so I'm not too bothered that they were defense witnesses. I think both of them knew if they started problems, they would be kicked out and not be called to testify.
MOO

According to court records, Richard Snay and David Noe were spotted having a “heated” conversation on the first floor of the Allen County Courthouse that continued outside.

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/judge-bans-2-content-creators-from-all-delphi-proceedings-after-altercation/

 

[Salah11]

I can see why the catfishing creating a strong suspicion against the catfisher, but I actually don't think it is coincidental against anyone else.

First, it seems highly unlikely to me that catfisher would share with RA, unless they were criminal associates in that enterprise but we know there is no evidence of it, and if they were, catfisher would have cut a deal for that testimony. So at best that leaves some kind of random sharing, which i find highly unlikely.

Second. there is a human tendency to what to relate two suspicious events so that one must cause the other. But this heuristic is often wrong. For instance, if you look at all teenage girls getting catfished today what is the chance one has a fatal car accident revealing the catfishing? The two events are obviously unrelated, but one leads to the reveal of the other

So this feels suspiciously unlucky from Libby's POV, but if you look at it from the POV of all catfishers in the US, there is actually a reasonable chance one gets revealed in this way.

MOO

We shall see at trial I guess

Let’s hope all our questions get answered.


I am willing to be proven wrong but we know he was focused on Libby. He was walking at a pace towards that bridge like he knew they were heading there and he had to get there beforehand. He had tried to conceal who he was, which seems very premeditated, and had all the instruments on him to carry out these grisly crimes. Moo

 

[shonyakay]

I've walked on a similar train trestle bridge and yes, you have to slow down to pass someone... but you can if you leave about a foot in the center between you and the other person passing.

I'm scared of heights but I still did it when I was a younger man. Would never do it now.. my legs would shake uncontrollably jsut to walk out there now. My fear of heights has gotten far worse over the years.

I have posted before asking the question if it was possible BG were at the other end of the bridge (DTH side of the bridge) when the girls' came up and he passed them on the bridge and then turned back around to come after them.

BG definitely was behind Abby in LG's video but was Abby still where she was as depicted in the Snapchat picture or did she move perhaps to the other side of Libby?

LG's video starts at 2:13 p.m. and ends at 2:14 p.m. I have heard the time of 2:07 p.m. in regards to one of the Snapchat pictures taken by Libby.
Is this accurate?

Does anyone know the exact time of the Snapchat pictures? The one of the bridge and the other one of Abby walking on the bridge?

I ask because you can't see anyone in the distance behind Abby in the Snapchat picture of Abby walking on the bridge.

 

[shonyakay]

I'm ready to see the cards the state is holding.

MOO

A Royal Flush.

 

[sunshineray]

It

Imo it is possible eve the State doesn’t know how the interaction came about. If the entire thing began with “DTH” on LG’s video then this may be all they have to go on. The only way they may know if the kids ridiculed him for sure is if the kids made a video or called or texted someone before they were ordered down the hill. Mooo. I hope we do find out what happened but somehow, I don’t think we will ever know for sure. The State may have some of it right, but I imagine there will be a lot they just don’t know. Even if the killer himself told the world “why”, I bet it still wouldn’t make any sense to us. Mooo

Or they know about the previous to "DTH" interactions because RA revealed it in his mountain of confessions. ISP Harshman did testify that RA spoke of his motive. MO

 

[shonyakay]

I can not wait to hear his motive as I still believe he was meeting Libby that day.

It’s just to much of a coincidence that he arrived about 20 mins before the girls and he was prepared with a kill kit. Not only that he had concealed some of his face with a face covering I believe he said in an interview.

Moo

Someone can prepare to commit a crime not knowing yet their intended target(s).

Israel Keys is said to have left kill kits in various places.