Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[FrostedGlass]

The MS team reached out to the attorney for clarification. He appreciated their seeking verification before reporting on rumors. So he responded to their direct questions because they related directly to KA and not in any way to the trial itself.

JMO

I don't understand the background on this. How did TMS even know KA had an attorney? Did they contact her about a rumor they heard?

 

[Megnut]

I don't understand the background on this. How did TMS even know KA had an attorney? Did they contact her about a rumor they heard?

In short, yes.

 

[FrostedGlass]

It's worth a listen.

The MS team does a really good job explaining why family stands by an alleged perpetrator. Some points I hadn't fully considered before. Even her attorney says she has been stringently avoiding statements, actions, interviews that might interfere with a fair trial.

JMO

She's under a gag order so it's understandable that she hasn't been making public statements. IMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

In short, yes.

So, is this what happened: some internet crank started a dirty lie, TMS picked it up and went to KA with it? I wondered if they ever stopped to think how that would make her feel? If that's the case, it's pretty low.
IMO

 

[tlcya]

Her attorney's statement bothers me insofar as he quotes LG's sister (it's a good statement about rumors hurting people), it just scrapes my ears. Plenty of hurt to go around but LG and AW's families hurt is of a completely acutely different character than the family of the accused. He's alive.

JMOonthatonepoint

see I actually thought that was a good thing. It reminds people that KA hasn't forgotten or tried to minimize the victims in this case. And I do respect that she hasn't spoken out about the case whatsoever up to this point. That cannot have been easy if she still supports her husband's innocence. That long silence. I have empathy for KA and her children and all who love RA. they didn't do anything and haven't asked for this horrible circumstance to be visited upon them.

I found it to be a well crafted statement and think she was wise to handle her first foray into speaking publicly about how this has affected her by using legal counsel. I also respect that she didn't say one word that could be construed as against the gag order and kept her comments limited in topic to her own self.

 

[Arkay]

I have empathy for KA and her children and all who love RA. they didn't do anything and haven't asked for this horrible circumstance to be visited upon them.

I agree.

I’m not a fan of podcasts, even reputable ones like MS, so I glean information here from those of you who do follow them. I haven’t seen KA’s statement at all.

I certainly believe that KA, the daughter and family friends were blindsided by this. I imagine they believe him to be a martyr, maybe to the State or to the zeal of the police.

IMO, though, she is in for a rude awakening.

Time and trial will tell.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

So, is this what happened: some internet crank started a dirty lie, TMS picked it up and went to KA with it? I wondered if they ever stopped to think how that would make her feel? If that's the case, it's pretty low.
IMO

Arguably worse, I think someone may have eavesdropped, intercepted and then broadcast a private conversation. Not intended for public dissemination.

KA has, to her credit and within the gag order, refrained from making public statements.

The MS team reached out for confirmation and KA's attorney responded with a solid public statement.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

see I actually thought that was a good thing. It reminds people that KA hasn't forgotten or tried to minimize the victims in this case. And I do respect that she hasn't spoken out about the case whatsoever up to this point. That cannot have been easy if she still supports her husband's innocence. That long silence. I have empathy for KA and her children and all who love RA. they didn't do anything and haven't asked for this horrible circumstance to be visited upon them.

I found it to be a well crafted statement and think she was wise to handle her first foray into speaking publicly about how this has affected her by using legal counsel. I also respect that she didn't say one word that could be construed as against the gag order and kept her comments limited in topic to her own self.

I think it's pretty pathetic that she had to do that at all. To have to fork out $$$ to hire an attorney to answer some internet crank has me smh.

 

[steeltowngirl]

‘Believing that the same measure of a presumption of innocence should also be given by me’ is not the same as saying:

‘I absolutely know he IS innocent.’

jmo

 

[sunshineray]

Unfortunately, it's been over seven years. A defense's dream, memories fade. jmo

But witnesses are allowed to refresh their memory while testifying to their own statements, 7 years ago.

 

[New Penny]

I also think The Murder Sheet will give an honest accounting to us. I just wish someone would employ a stenographer to take shorthand so we can read the actually testimony, questions and answers. A pipe dream I suppose.

Someday we will be able to pour through the transcripts if and when they are published

Yes, I also think this! RA came forward very early on and we don't know exactly when, but it's my opinion that it was very likely before the girls bodies were found. He could then tell people that he was there that day walking and didn't see anything and he even talked to LE to tell them what he knew. Those people he might have talked to about this would then assume he was ruled out or that he was just being the helpful guy who happened to be out walking that day. Maybe over time his behavior was suspicious enough that they started to think he could be BG.. BUT he must not be because he came forward and he hasn't been arrested right so they put it aside and carried on with life. I could absolutely see a scenario where someone called in and said this guy RA has changed his behavior and his appearance has shifted. Insert whatever other things they noticed here... AND then they say but he came forward and talked to police so I assume he was cleared..

Well that would likely make LE go back to the beginning and starting looking at anyone they talked to early on and looking for a report that could have came from someone named RA.. then they find the tip, but it had been misfiled.

i think this is spot-on

 

[Yemelyan]

I think it's pretty pathetic that she had to do that at all. To have to fork out $$$ to hire an attorney to answer some internet crank has me smh.

Her attorney said in his statement to TMS that he connected with KA and offered to represent her pro bono.

 

[sunshineray]

I think it's pretty pathetic that she had to do that at all. To have to fork out $$$ to hire an attorney to answer some internet crank has me smh.

Yes it is pathetic to have to do that. Especially considering there wasn't much outrage or help for the 5 men falsely accused of being child murderers because lawyers can't be blamed for being zealous. KA gets accused of believing her husband's confessions and ending their relationship and a pro bono lawyer gets referred to her by another lawyer so she can set the record straight. Good for her, glad she had her say and straighten that it out on the eve of her husband's trial. I don't really know if it had to be done right at this time but we all now know officially, she's a dutiful wife. AJMO

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[somequestions]

There is that old saying that a picture speaks a thousand words. There is the first 2:05 posted picture of the entire length of the bridge. This picture provides perspective.

I think the following is how the girls were walking across the Monon High Bridge that day:

Liberty German walked ahead of Abby on the bridge and when she got to a platform she stops and takes a picture. Liberty German was getting pictures of her friend's more careful approach at crossing over the Monon High Bridge. She would be ahead of her friend and then stop at another platform and while waiting for Abby to catch up, take a picture.

It is the picture sequence that makes me wonder about this case. But so does 61 confessions that some say have info only the killer would know.

Liberty German stops. She turns around to look at her friend Abigail Williams walking on the bridge. She takes a picture.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes it is pathetic to have to do that. Especially considering there wasn't much outrage or help for the 5 men falsely accused of being child murderers because lawyers can't be blamed for being zealous. KA gets accused of believing her husband's confessions and ending their relationship and a pro bono lawyer gets referred to her by another lawyer so she can set the record straight. Good for her, glad she had her say and straighten that it out on the eve of her husband's trial. I don't really know if it had to be done right at this time but we all now know officially, she's a dutiful wife. AJMO

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Good to see her attorney praising TMS's ethics on this one.

 

[Vern]

D-6 .... ... ....

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yes it is pathetic to have to do that. Especially considering there wasn't much outrage or help for the 5 men falsely accused of being child murderers because lawyers can't be blamed for being zealous. KA gets accused of believing her husband's confessions and ending their relationship and a pro bono lawyer gets referred to her by another lawyer so she can set the record straight. Good for her, glad she had her say and straighten that it out on the eve of her husband's trial. I don't really know if it had to be done right at this time but we all now know officially, she's a dutiful wife. AJMO

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If it wasn't for the internet cranks starting the rumor and TMS running with it, it never would have had to be done at all. All this rearing it's ugly head "on the eve of her husband's trial" if very suspect. IMO

I'm curious how TMS came across that rumor to begin with.

 

[shonyakay]

IMO, though, she is in for a rude awakening.

It's hard to believe she didn't already have a rude awakening like the time RA told her he would tell LE everything if it got to be too much for her.

Or when he confessed to her that he committed the crime and why (the motive) he did it.

Maybe she was and still is in denial.

 

[shonyakay]

It is the picture sequence that makes me wonder about this case. But so does 61 confessions that some say have info only the killer would know.

Can you elaborate on why the picture sequence (From LG's cellphone) makes you wonder about the case?

There are only two still pictures that I am aware of that Libby took in regards to the bridge that day.

The full on shot of the bridge supposedly captured at 2:05 p.m. showing the entirety of the bridge from the beginning of the bridge, and the one of Abby walking on the bridge supposedly captured at 2:07 p.m. from the other side of the bridge looking back to the beginning of the bridge.

Is it because you don't see BG in either picture?
If so, I have wondered this too. However, if the timestamps of the two pictures are correct then it only took two minutes from the time Libby took a picture at the beginning of the bridge until she took the picture of Abby walking.

This makes it plausible that BG, walking at a good pace, caught up with them from the trail and on to the bridge to be captured in the distance of Libby's cellphone video at 2:13 p.m.



Side note: One thing that I would like to point out too is that Holeman mentioned the time of "2:17 p.m." in his testimony when speaking of what LG captured on her cellphone. This might just be a mistake on his part though. I haven't heard that specific time anywhere else.

 

[Yemelyan]

If it wasn't for the internet cranks starting the rumor and TMS running with it, it never would have had to be done at all. All this rearing it's ugly head "on the eve of her husband's trial" if very suspect. IMO

I'm curious how TMS came across that rumor to begin with.

The rumor originated directly from the moderator of a large (over 43,000 members) and well-known Facebook group devoted to discussion of the Delphi murders so it didn't take much effort to come across it. The moderator had been attending the RA hearings in person so the info surrounding the hearings that was presented as first-hand knowledge in that group was being widely discussed on social media/message boards. People who follow news on the Delphi murders were probably reaching out to TMS to see if they thought there was truth to it or not.