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Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby
ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

PICTURES OF ABBY AND LIBBY
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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video

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Verified Insiders: None in this case at this time. Verified Professional, Member michael.gartley, is a Verified Expert in Imaging Science.

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DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM
 
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A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

- Speculation about RA’s possible involvement in other cases belongs in the OTHER CASES thread.

- Speculation that is not based on known fact is not allowed.

- Please use initials only for anyone other than victims or perps.

- If you have questions about rules or moderation, please do not ask them on the thread. Just jump off any post to use the Report feature to ask and a Mod or Admin will respond as soon as possible.

- Rumors are not allowed. If you can't link information to Websleuths approved sources, do NOT post it with "I read it somewhere" or "I'll find the link later ...".

- Sleuthing or discussing RSOs just because they are on the registry is not allowed. A thread specific exception may be made by Tricia or an Admin depending on geographical location in relation a crime.

- Photo alterations or side-by-side comparisons of unrelated pictures are not allowed.
 
ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

Also, the presumption of innocence is part and parcel of the judicial process. It does not apply to the general public who are entitled to express their opinion. Members are not here to be lectured or chastised by others for expressing their personal opinions. If you have an issue, use the Report feature and let Mods or Admins determine what is or is not okay to post.

Thanks.

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Mod Note:

Defense/Prosecution witnesses are NOT to be sleuthed. You may reasonably discuss what is being reported about them in the media or by other approved sources as it pertains to this case, but nothing else. Please use their initials when posting.

As of this post, only ONE person has been charged with the murder of Abby and Libby; Richard Allen. By Websleuths’ standards, and when discussing this case on the public forum, everyone other than him should be considered victims.

If you have a question or concern about this or any other rule, please use the report feature on any post to ask us.

Thanks!
Mad
 
I didn’t join Websleuths until 2019, so I haven’t been part of the discussion as many of you have been since 2017.

However, over the years and with all the information gathered, I still vacillate between whether I think A and L were random victims of a man on a deadly mission, or whether the girls excitedly thought they were going to meet A-Shots and of course didn’t reveal that to their families.

Either way, ever since RA was revealed I do believe the evidence points to him as the killer.

Whether or not RA had some obscene foreknowledge that they’d be on the bridge, I do not know.

I anxiously await the trial when more shall be revealed.

I will be in Florida next week to take care of my ancient and ill parents, but I will catch up on the news in the evenings.

Justice for you, Abby Williams!
Justice for you, Libby German!
Peace for your families.

JMO
 
Arkay said:
I didn’t join Websleuths until 2019, so I haven’t been part of the discussion as many of you have been since 2017.

However, over the years and with all the information gathered, I still vacillate between whether I think A and L were random victims of a man on a deadly mission, or whether the girls excitedly thought they were going to meet A-Shots and of course didn’t reveal that to their families.

Either way, ever since RA was revealed I do believe the evidence points to him as the killer.

Whether or not RA had some obscene foreknowledge that they’d be on the bridge, I do not know.

I anxiously await the trial when more shall be revealed.

I will be in Florida next week to take care of my ancient and ill parents, but I will catch up on the news in the evenings.

Justice for you, Abby Williams!
Justice for you, Libby German!
Peace for your families.

JMO
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Travel safe! Hope all your folks got through the storm okay.
 
StarryStarryNight said:
Hey!
Look everybody!
The defense filed a motion on the Friday afternoon before the trial starts!
How very shocking!
I am shocked that this is even necessary since RA is “factually innocent”.

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IANAL, but it looks like there might be some testimonies from inmates and staff that might have witnessed RA malingering that the D is trying to fight against. All MOO
 
TMS just announced a book:

Shadow of the Bridge: The Delphi Murders and the Dark Side of the American Heartland​

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Rbbm:

Most importantly, in working closely with the German and Williams families, Cain and Greenlee tell the stories of who these two warm, bright, and promising girls were to all who cared for them.

Hopefully this means that the book is going to have Abby and Libby in the heart of it.
 
StarryStarryNight said:
Hey!
Look everybody!
The defense filed a motion on the Friday afternoon before the trial starts!
How very shocking!
I am shocked that this is even necessary since RA is “factually innocent”.

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Seems that the motion states opposition to the State calling prison personnel and inmates to testify to Allen's mental state while behind bars because those individuals are not trained to make assessments on someone's mental state.

jmo
 
Inthedetails said:
Seems that the motion states opposition to the State calling prison personnel and inmates to testify to Allen's mental state while behind bars because those individuals are not trained to make assessments on someone's mental state.

jmo
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That's very interesting to me. Since the D never asked for RA to be assessed, and since they treated his Westville lawyer as a hostile witness, how are they hoping to use his mental state to their benefit?

Jmo
 
SouthEnd said:
That's very interesting to me. Since the D never asked for RA to be assessed, and since they treated his Westville lawyer as a hostile witness, how are they hoping to use his mental state to their benefit?

Jmo
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And I would think the witnesses could state what they SAW or HEARD without making mental-health assessments.

jmo
 
Inthedetails said:
Seems that the motion states opposition to the State calling prison personnel and inmates to testify to Allen's mental state while behind bars because those individuals are not trained to make assessments on someone's mental state.

jmo
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I actually thought this had been brought up at the three-day hearing.
I doubt the prosecution would ask their opinions on RA’s mental state, but they certainly should be able to ask about what he did and how he acted. That can say a lot.

**posted this as others were posting the same thing
 
StarryStarryNight said:
Hey!
Look everybody!
The defense filed a motion on the Friday afternoon before the trial starts!
How very shocking!
I am shocked that this is even necessary since RA is “factually innocent”.

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Motions in limine are filed routinely and in every case in the country on a daily basis on the eve of trial. "In limine" means "at the threshold," as in at the threshold of trial.

www.law.cornell.edu

in limine

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu
 
Inthedetails said:
And I would think the witnesses could state what they SAW or HEARD without making mental-health assessments.

jmo
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One would think so! Otherwise why are laypeople even called to testify as to what they wirness with their own eyes? It's simply bizarre to me because, due to the D not asking for an assessment, there is no one "qualified" to testify on RA's behaviour one way or another, only laypeople and the Westville doctor who already testified she thought he might have been malingering at times.

MOO
 
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