Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[photographer4]

Not sure I agree with him. A very young jury might put themselves in the shoes of the victims, if they weren't teenagers that long before. It'd be way too easy for them to think about what might have happened to them on a school free day in the woods with a friend.

MOO

If they were online with a social media presence as a teen, then it may be easier for them to see how easily this could have become a planned attack / stalking vs just some random encounter imo. If it helps the D with soddi / reasonable doubt about RA I can see how they may like this as a strategy.

If the case is very technical (eg: devices / internet access really tied in) they may not want older folks who may not be tech savvy as well. mOOOoO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

But the media are allowed, so that's not exactly "closed."

I honestly don't want to know about the jurors. I know people are interested and I don't fault them in the slightest, but I personally don't have an interest other than trusting the process.

jmo

Plus, the author appears to have been giving her opinion, when she used the word “could”. I prefer your linked reference, which allows the public in. I suppose we will see. Maybe.

 

[katydid23]

I mean, once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places....

...if you look at it right...

 

[Inthedetails]

Plus, the author appears to have been giving her opinion, when she used the word “could”. I prefer your linked reference, which allows the public in. I suppose we will see. Maybe.

Give me a nudge when the opening statements start. That's the start of the content I'm waiting for.

jmo

 

[statt#1]

Give me a nudge when the opening statements start. That's the start of the content I'm waiting for.

jmo

I'm with you on this....patiently waiting to get beyond the obfuscation

 

[katydid23]

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) — News 18's legal expert, Shay Hughes predicts there will be over 100 jurors in the jury pool come Monday's jury selection process in the Delphi double homicide case.
[…]

In his experience, he says the defense usually has a harder time finding ideal jurors.

Here's what he believes the defense will be looking for next week.

"Younger population. You know, people who don't have children because you worry if people will put themselves in that position of losing their children. People that won't be swayed by the wisdom of the crowd so to speak," Hughes said.

What to know for jury selection in Delphi double homicide case

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) — News 18's legal expert, Shay Hughes predicts there will be over 100 jurors in the jury pool come Monday's jury selection process in the Delphi double

www.wlfi.com

Interesting to see the name Shay Hughes as the legal expert reporting on the case. Might get interesting later on because Shay Hughes was the public defender for one of the inmates in the new transport request.[JC]

 

[steeltowngirl]

WTHR special that aired earlier tonight. Worth a watch. Lots of old footage back to 2/13/17.

 

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[Tricia]

Please forgive me but I can't remember. Is the judge going to allow the Odinist defense or not?
Thanks in advance.
Tricia

 

[katydid23]

Please forgive me but I can't remember. Is the judge going to allow the Odinist defense or not?
Thanks in advance.
Tricia

Judge Gull ruled against it HOWEVER said the Defense could do an 'offer of proof' one more time if there was new evidence or information at trial time.

 

[Vern]

D-2 ... ... ...

 

[Melted]

What will Judge Gull do if KK takes the stand and admits in open court that what he told detective Vido about being at the crime scene that day is true?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

What will Judge Gull do if KK takes the stand and admits in open court that what he told detective Vido about being at the crime scene that day is true?

Before the trial begins, the defense would have to disclose the reason for his being on a witness list and that wouldn't fly. KK has already had a number of interrogations, one of which we saw the transcipt for, and has repeatedly denied any involvement/being in Delphi that day and they did not accuse him of being at the scene of the murders. He could not now say he was there without being impeached. I don't think the judge would allow him to be called as a witness, the prosecution/LE can easily provide infomation that they place KK elsewhere that day and that there is zero evidence of any contact between RA and KK.

 

[snooptroop88]

D's additions to the witness list (KK, Chadwell, etc), I'm guessing an attempt to paint a picture of flailing LE desperately attempting to "point the finger" at someone/anyone and only arriving at RA as the suspect as a last resort, he'd ticked enough boxes so he fit the bill, so to speak. D will emphasize what they view (moo) as LE's flounderings through the course of their investigation: coulda been x, coulda been y, shoulda been z. And the fact that it ended up being RA, it was like LE was playing pin the tail on the donkey and they finally got something to stick.

But one could also argue that the D is now engaging in a pin the tail on the donkey strategy to get someone up on the stand that can shift the dynamic back into SODDI territory. This would seem shrewd if the D had cultivated an effective SODDI strategy, but they never did, it's always been the same rehash of what LE has already uncovered and dismissed.

The claim "It might have been someone else" is only powerful if they make it plausible, and imo they're not doing that. And while they've been devoting hundreds of hours to it, the evidence against RA still seems to be looming there largely unchallenged in terms of evidentiary value. I think it's too late now for any shenanigans and jury selection's going to move forward as planned.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

What will Judge Gull do if KK takes the stand and admits in open court that what he told detective Vido about being at the crime scene that day is true?

Nothing.
It will just be testimony for the jury to weigh, and considering that guy you mentioned but I won’t mention’s, reputation for lying it wouldn’t mean much.
Plus the prosecution would nuke him on cross examination. They have already investigated him hard and couldn’t connect him.
Add to that, he will never take the stand. He was ruled by JG irrelevant along with other things and people and I don’t see that changing.

Opinion

 

[FromGermany1]

D's additions to the witness list (KK, Chadwell, etc), I'm guessing an attempt to paint a picture of flailing LE desperately attempting to "point the finger" at someone/anyone and only arriving at RA as the suspect as a last resort, he'd ticked enough boxes so he fit the bill, so to speak. D will emphasize what they view (moo) as LE's flounderings through the course of their investigation: coulda been x, coulda been y, shoulda been z. And the fact that it ended up being RA, it was like LE was playing pin the tail on the donkey and they finally got something to stick.

But one could also argue that the D is now engaging in a pin the tail on the donkey strategy to get someone up on the stand that can shift the dynamic back into SODDI territory. This would seem shrewd if the D had cultivated an effective SODDI strategy, but they never did, it's always been the same rehash of what LE has already uncovered and dismissed.

The claim "It might have been someone else" is only powerful if they make it plausible, and imo they're not doing that. And while they've been devoting hundreds of hours to it, the evidence against RA still seems to be looming there largely unchallenged in terms of evidentiary value. I think it's too late now for any shenanigans and jury selection's going to move forward as planned.

Maybe, the crime was truely so very "twisted" and not just assigned to one person, but mainly to RA, as was stated early on?? RA is known as the main participant since his arrest, but other participants are unknown until today - possible?

 

[FromGermany1]

Before the trial begins, the defense would have to disclose the reason for his being on a witness list and that wouldn't fly. KK has already had a number of interrogations, one of which we saw the transcipt for, and has repeatedly denied any involvement/being in Delphi that day and they did not accuse him of being at the scene of the murders. He could not now say he was there without being impeached. I don't think the judge would allow him to be called as a witness, the prosecution/LE can easily provide infomation that they place KK elsewhere that day and that there is zero evidence of any contact between RA and KK.

How many contact persons could be between KAK and RA and the chain isn't seamlessly known until now?

 

[FromGermany1]

D-2 ... ... ...

OMG. What drama will unfold??

 

[Melted]

Before the trial begins, the defense would have to disclose the reason for his being on a witness list and that wouldn't fly. KK has already had a number of interrogations, one of which we saw the transcipt for, and has repeatedly denied any involvement/being in Delphi that day and they did not accuse him of being at the scene of the murders. He could not now say he was there without being impeached. I don't think the judge would allow him to be called as a witness, the prosecution/LE can easily provide infomation that they place KK elsewhere that day and that there is zero evidence of any contact between RA and KK.

He has also given the detectives a confession of being involved in the murders with his father, they have found evidence that Richard Allen lived in the same neighborhood as the klines in Peru, they obviously believed him enough to launch a 6 week search into the river underneath the bridge next to KK & his fathers house which ended 2 weeks before Richard Allen Was brought back in for questioning.

Where there’s smoke there’s fire IMO

 

[Melted]

D's additions to the witness list (KK, Chadwell, etc), I'm guessing an attempt to paint a picture of flailing LE desperately attempting to "point the finger" at someone/anyone and only arriving at RA as the suspect as a last resort, he'd ticked enough boxes so he fit the bill, so to speak. D will emphasize what they view (moo) as LE's flounderings through the course of their investigation: coulda been x, coulda been y, shoulda been z. And the fact that it ended up being RA, it was like LE was playing pin the tail on the donkey and they finally got something to stick.

But one could also argue that the D is now engaging in a pin the tail on the donkey strategy to get someone up on the stand that can shift the dynamic back into SODDI territory. This would seem shrewd if the D had cultivated an effective SODDI strategy, but they never did, it's always been the same rehash of what LE has already uncovered and dismissed.

The claim "It might have been someone else" is only powerful if they make it plausible, and imo they're not doing that. And while they've been devoting hundreds of hours to it, the evidence against RA still seems to be looming there largely unchallenged in terms of evidentiary value. I think it's too late now for any shenanigans and jury selection's going to move forward as planned.

In my opinion only, there has been a reason that they haven’t pointed the finger at the most obvious SODDI culprit this entire time, I believe they see the writing on the wall and are now ready to enter the SODDIT (some other dude did it too) phase of plea negotiations.