According to Ron's Lawyer Misty Never Returned This Weekend.

[elle1919]

So you're just inferring that he must have seen Haleigh alive because LE said he was cleared? This is not a fact, then?

Honestly, this makes no sense to me. I've never seen Haleigh but I have a solid alibi. If his whereabouts that night have been documented with solid confirmation he's got an alibi and he's cleared whether or not he saw Haleigh or not.

Yes that is what I am inferring but if you took the time to read the Air Conditioner Repairman thread you will see many posts from people who infer the same thing perhaps you might question what I am trying to infer after you read the link.

 

[elle1919]

Seriously...there is a link to a statement from Law Enforcement in that thread. Don't ask me for a link that i take the time to go and find and then not read the link.

 

[Donjeta]

Yes that is what I am inferring but if you took the time to read the Air Conditioner Repairman thread you will see many posts from people who infer the same thing perhaps you might question what I am trying to infer after you read the link.

Okay, I was just confused because you just wrote a few posts ago that you're offended that people discuss their own suppositions in the upstairs threads.

 

[elle1919]

Okay, I was just confused because you just wrote a few posts ago that you're offended that people discuss their own suppositions in the upstairs threads.

What are you talking about? I never said that. Are you referring to this post here...
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Misty C #6

where I said this: snip~Quite honestly I am seriously offended by the posts in this thread. First of all the video that was posted a page back is a video that has been edited by the discretion of Art Harris for use exclusively on his blog. Second of all I find it extremely hard to understand how those of you who claim to trust Law Enforcement and their investigation in one post but in the next post put all of your belief in a woman that Art Harris interviewed for his blog. Maybe someone would care to explain to me why Law Enforcement has not focused more on what the people at the bus stop allegedly saw? If you paid attention to what the woman in the video said about Misty hitting a boy you would have heard her say, It LOOKED LIKE she hit him on the face or the side of the face, it didn't sound like she was at all clear on what she saw. Perhaps this is the exact reason that Law Enforcement has made no mention of this woman's allegations or accusations in this case. If I have missed where LE is basing any of their theories on what happened to Haleigh on this person please refer me to it. TIA ~end snip.

No that is not what offended me. What offends me is that people are free to post rumors and suppositions like the poster that was speculating as to whether or not Misty had a surgical procedure done on her body. We all know Misty's age. ...I am sorry that my posts confuse you. That is not my intention.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I just heard Misty talking about the AC man on the Nancy Grace repeat on (Monday 1 am). Regarding the AC man, Misty said that he came to the house, and her brother came over a little later. She said that the kids were playing in the yard, and the AC man was in the house.

Now, of course, this is Misty talking. However, because there is a neutral party (AC man) available to LE who can verify or refute her claims, and because Haleigh evidently disappeared later than this late afternoon/early evening time, I think she is probably telling the truth. If the AC man has been cleared, it is probable that his story about the whole event checks out. It may be that Misty's story doesn't match the AC man's, but we can't know that for sure unless LE tells us.

 

[kiki the parrot]

We are only speculating since we've no idea whether AC man saw Haleigh. For all we know, stories placing Haleigh "outside playing," or "out on front porch eating" were told afterward specifically to explain away Haleigh's absence inside the home. Certainly the timeline's been stretched, and an assumption now made by so many for so long that we've all come to accept and perpetuate the myth that Haleigh was conclusively alive and well into the evening... but even if the AC man (also reportedly related to RC) was there we've yet to hear from him much less LE re specifically what he observed ie whether Haleigh was present or in what condition. LE is not revealing much of anything, I agree w Donjeta we've been given no clue for what reasons AC man was "cleared."


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[Whisperer]

I think Misty said the AC man was at the house 10 minutes before her brother arrived. She appeared to make sure that she wasn't in the house during those 10 minutes, as she said "I was not in the house with him alone, I went outside". I don't know why she wanted to make sure we knew she wasn't alone with him. It was odd.

 

[debs]

I think Misty said the AC man was at the house 10 minutes before her brother arrived. She appeared to make sure that she wasn't in the house during those 10 minutes, as she said "I was not in the house with him alone, I went outside". I don't know why she wanted to make sure we knew she wasn't alone with him. It was odd.

There are always a lot of qualifications for the events of that day/evening, aren't there?

 

[elle1919]

I think Misty said the AC man was at the house 10 minutes before her brother arrived. She appeared to make sure that she wasn't in the house during those 10 minutes, as she said "I was not in the house with him alone, I went outside". I don't know why she wanted to make sure we knew she wasn't alone with him. It was odd.

Just curious why you think that behavior is odd. While I can agree there have been several moments and statements that I would classify under odd, but that is not one of them for me. I don't think her exact statement about the AC mans visit is exactly as you remember it. However if I am wrong please correct me.:blushing:

She was a young woman home taking care of children while their father was working the night shift. I am 37 and I remember it took me a bit of time before I was comfortable welcoming men into the home if my husband was at work or away.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

If LE knew (from the AC man) either that the kids weren't at home when the AC man was there OR that the AC man didn't see them, the timeline on this case would have been much different from the start.

Misty had two good reasons to stay outside, the one given by elle above and the fact that the kids were outside. The only problem with Misty and her statements is that we don't know which ones are lies and which are the truth. I tend to believe these statements because LE can corroborate them to some degree with the AC man, and even if he was inclined to lie to help a friend or relative, Misty just called him the "AC man," so it wouldn't appear that she knows him or has any connection. However, I suppose it is possible that LE knows more about this time than they are letting on. It's very frustrating.

 

[kiki the parrot]

The problem w the timeline is that anyone who can place (specifically) Haleigh (vs "children" eg) alive beyond the 3:20 bus stop... from the AC man to TN and GGMS... is related to Ron.
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[elle1919]

The problem w the timeline is that anyone who can place (specifically) Haleigh (vs "children" eg) alive beyond the 3:20 bus stop... from the AC man to TN and GGMS... is related to Ron.
arrot:

proof by way of link would be appreciated. Are you now claiming that the air conditioning repairman that was servicing the unit at 202 Green Lane is now a relative of the Cummings side of the family? if that is indeed what you are saying I would love to read a link to that info.

 

[Beatrice]

I think Misty said the AC man was at the house 10 minutes before her brother arrived. She appeared to make sure that she wasn't in the house during those 10 minutes, as she said "I was not in the house with him alone, I went outside". I don't know why she wanted to make sure we knew she wasn't alone with him. It was odd.

Yes, very odd that she said that.
And that the A/C guy would be there in January.
She also said cousin Joe was there & brother? was there with a friend.

 

[curvecuti]

Yes, very odd that she said that.
And that the A/C guy would be there in January.
She also said cousin Joe was there & brother? was there with a friend.

Not to nitpick, but it was Feb. And I don't know about that specific unit but my air and heat are all contained in the same unit. I hadn't heard that Joe was there when the A/C man was, but she did say here brother was, haven't heard the with a friend part. :waitasec:

 

[elle1919]

Still waiting for that link that will confirm the statement that RC is related to the AC Man. ..

 

[KOOL LOOK]

My one cent, my electric ac/heater unit is all in one in my home. Most mobile homes have a onesy unit combined. So possible when someone refers to the ac man, it means heating and air conditioning repairman. Which if anyone is interested, check your local yellow pages, you'll see how they go hand in hand in the ads.

With the ac man having to go inside the home, it was probably because he needed to check the thermostat which is what typically goes wrong with those units often. My Mama worked for a heating/ac company for 15 years as an accountant.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I just heard Misty talking about the AC man on the Nancy Grace repeat on (Monday 1 am). Regarding the AC man, Misty said that he came to the house, and her brother came over a little later. She said that the kids were playing in the yard, and the AC man was in the house.

Now, of course, this is Misty talking. However, because there is a neutral party (AC man) available to LE who can verify or refute her claims, and because Haleigh evidently disappeared later than this late afternoon/early evening time, I think she is probably telling the truth. If the AC man has been cleared, it is probable that his story about the whole event checks out. It may be that Misty's story doesn't match the AC man's, but we can't know that for sure unless LE tells us.

We should probably consider moving discussion elsewhere at this point, but MC mentions AC man--RC's cousin's ex-husband w/ Arctic Air--during interview just prior to being "hypnotized." We do not know he is "neutral" at all but whatever else he is, even if he were credible, again we have yet to be given any indication by LE or AC man as to whether he even claims to have seen Haleigh. All we know is Misty claims to have had "the children" (?) "outdoors" (?) at the time while AC repairman worked indoors. Neither the fact he has been cleared of involvement in a possible child abduction or murder, nor had he been found altogether credible, tell us the first thing re whether or not AC man ever claimed to have witnessed Haleigh still alive during his visit to 202 that day. (Sorry OT anyone who wishes to pursue this further probably needs find a better thread for this.) JMO

http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

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[pittsburghgirl]

If you read my post, you will see that I in general agree with you as to what we don't know. I was speculating that, given someone was present who is not involved in the disappearance (and who would have every motive to tell the truth), Misty in this case is more believable. She may not herself know if AC man saw the kids or Haleigh. But the FACT of someone who was not involved being on the premises makes lying about where the kids were at that time of day much, much riskier compared to the time when she was purportedly home with them, doing laundry.

But it sure would be nice to know what AC man told LE about that visit.

And in Florida, wouldn't AC sometimes be used year-round? I worked in Florida one winter and seem to recall AC was a staple.

 

[elle1919]

We should probably consider moving discussion elsewhere at this point, but MC mentions AC man--RC's cousin's ex-husband w/ Arctic Air--during interview just prior to being "hypnotized." We do not know he is "neutral" at all but whatever else he is, even if he were credible, again we have yet to be given any indication by LE or AC man as to whether he even claims to have seen Haleigh. All we know is Misty claims to have had "the children" (?) "outdoors" (?) at the time while AC repairman worked indoors. Neither the fact he has been cleared of involvement in a possible child abduction or murder, nor had he been found altogether credible, tell us the first thing re whether or not AC man ever claimed to have witnessed Haleigh still alive during his visit to 202 that day. (Sorry OT anyone who wishes to pursue this further probably needs find a better thread for this.) JMO

http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html

arrot:

I just went and listened to the 23 and some odd minutes interview of Misty before she begins to get hypnotized. If anyone would like to hear the vido for theirselves I am posting the link..

YouTube - Misty Croslin-Cummings hypnosis session ....at around 9 minutes and 40 seconds into the video Misty does mention the AC man. The examiner asked her if she had any deliveries or visitors that day and she proceeded to talk about the AC man. When the he asks her what company the man works for she says "I'm not sure, but I thought it was Arctic Air She appears to look away from the examiner to try and get help from someone with the name of the company and then she states "Im not sure of the company but Ronald can tell you because one of his cousin's ex-husband works for that company." Misty absolutely did not say that the Repairman that came to the house on the day Haleigh went missing was Ronalds family member.She only claimed that Ronald would know the exact name of the company because he knows someone that works there.

I hope that everyone truly does take the time to listen to that link. Is the whole population of Satsuma covering up for Ronald? In my opinion the reason why the Air Conditioner Repairman story is now being questioned is because it just makes more sense if those who believe RC to be guilty of wrongdoing if the AC man was a family member that was covering for him...Please listen to the link.

 

[kiki the parrot]

If you read my post, you will see that I in general agree with you as to what we don't know. I was speculating that, given someone was present who is not involved in the disappearance (and who would have every motive to tell the truth), Misty in this case is more believable. She may not herself know if AC man saw the kids or Haleigh. But the FACT of someone who was not involved being on the premises makes lying about where the kids were at that time of day much, much riskier compared to the time when she was purportedly home with them, doing laundry.

But it sure would be nice to know what AC man told LE about that visit.

And in Florida, wouldn't AC sometimes be used year-round? I worked in Florida one winter and seem to recall AC was a staple.

I did read your post which is why I responded and I understand what you're saying. Nevertheless I'm still saying this conceivably could be precisely why Misty placed (very generally) the "children..." (vaguely somewhere) "outside" in an attempt to explain why Haleigh may never have been seen by AC man. Whom you evidently believe took note while there of faces and ages of "children outside" while there and was thus able to concur or agree w every specific detail of Misty's story. Misty's various stories are full of bigger holes than this vaguery, and I don't think it makes it simple for AC man to refute, nor "much much riskier" for Misty to lie about, "children" playing at all. Nor do I think he needs to be lying to not be an eye witness to Haleigh being alive--I just don't believe this serviceman was necessarily outdoors counting heads and taking roll. He was inside the house working, I believe, thus maybe able to confirm for LE at best only that there were eg some "children playing outside."

My point was, and still is, that we've yet to hear from someone outside of the family placing Haleigh alive beyond that afternoon. Once again tho this isn't the appropriate thread for continuing discussion so another should be used (or begun) for this topic. I don't wish to pursue it further but certainly not here. Thanks.

arrot: