AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 01 Feb 2012 - #6

[LucyOso]

I'm confused about all the talk regarding felons and guns. We know IK doesn't have a felony on his record.

There is a document that stated IK had a handgun when arrested I believe...we were talking about if he IK flying with it from AK, or buying it in the US legally (require a background check) or if it was a street gun.

I was curious about that and the information about excessive marijuana and alcohol use. My original question was why he was denied bond because he had a hand gun and a history of pot/ETOH use. Seems pretty flimsy to me. A lot of people own guns and a lot of people have a DUI in the past. Also, I was curious about where the cops came up with the excess marijuana use...has he been busted before?

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[LucyOso]

I find it odd that LE has not asked the public to look for Sam at the last press conference. That speaks volumes.

If they think IK is the only suspect and they thought he may be keeping her captive, once they incarcerated him, I would imagine she would not last long without food and water?

 

[ConnectedSuitor]

I believe the DUI case was handled by Federal court because it happened on a base. In the plea agreement, he pleaded guilty to one count of r.c.w. 46.61.502, the max penalty is a 5k fine and 12 months confinement. He was sentenced to one day in prison and a $350 fine.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.502

(5) Except as provided in subsection (6) of this section, a violation of this section is a gross misdemeanor.

(6) It is a class C felony punishable under chapter 9.94A RCW, or chapter 13.40 RCW if the person is a juvenile, if:

(a) The person has four or more prior offenses within ten years as defined in RCW 46.61.5055; or

(b) The person has ever previously been convicted of:

(i) Vehicular homicide while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug, RCW 46.61.520(1)(a);

(ii) Vehicular assault while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug, RCW 46.61.522(1)(b);

(iii) An out-of-state offense comparable to the offense specified in (b)(i) or (ii) of this subsection; or

(iv) A violation of this subsection (6) or RCW 46.61.504(6).

I am sure this is a misdemeanor.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

There is a document that stated IK had a handgun when arrested I believe...we were talking about if he IK flying with it from AK, or buying it in the US legally (require a background check) or if it was a street gun.

I was curious about that and the information about excessive marijuana and alcohol use. My original question was why he was denied bond because he had a hand gun and a history of pot/ETOH use. Seems pretty flimsy to me. A lot of people own guns and a lot of people have a DUI in the past. Also, I was curious about where the cops came up with the excess marijuana use...has he been busted before?

I think being denied bond was more because he is a flight risk since he had recently been in the lower 48 states. That coupled with the gun, pot/ETOH use all combined is the reason for denying bond. I agree that these things alone (without bringing Sam into it) would probably not be sufficient reason to deny him bond.

I don't know where they got the excessive pot/ETOH use unless it came from friends or his SO. I'm guessing it came from the SO. Just because someone had a DUI many years ago would not by itself mean exessive use now. They didn't even say ILLEGAL gun possession.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If they think IK is the only suspect and they thought he may be keeping her captive, once they incarcerated him, I would imagine she would not last long without food and water?

She would have not lasted while he was in TX and the lower 48.

Honestly, I think they thought Sam may have been with him in the lower 48 and that's why they thought she may be alive. But when they arrested him and she was nowhere to be found they changed their tune. The only way I see Sam being alive if IK had anything to do with it is if she was sold into human trafficking.

 

[ConnectedSuitor]

I think being denied bond was more because he is a flight risk since he had recently been in the lower 48 states. That coupled with the gun, pot/ETOH use all combined is the reason for denying bond. I agree that these things alone (without bringing Sam into it) would probably not be sufficient reason to deny him bond.

I don't know where they got the excessive pot/ETOH use unless it came from friends or his SO. I'm guessing it came from the SO. Just because someone had a DUI many years ago would not by itself mean exessive use now. They didn't even say ILLEGAL gun possession.

I can't remember where I read or watched it, but I thought that he didn't request bond? I think one of the LE made a statement about how if he had requested bond they were prepared to present more evidence about why he was a threat and a flight risk.

 

[ConnectedSuitor]

Found it:

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/police-chief-keyes-involved-samantha-koenig-kidnapping

"Had Keyes's attorney sought bail for his client, new details would have been released about the case. To make sure Keyes stays put and isn't released, prosecutors were prepared to let an investigator take the witness stand and demonstrate why Keyes is a both a flight risk and a danger to the community. But because Keyes's newly appointed defense attorney didn't immediately take up that fight, there was no need for prosecutors to show their hand -- yet."

 

[LucyOso]

I think being denied bond was more because he is a flight risk since he had recently been in the lower 48 states. That coupled with the gun, pot/ETOH use all combined is the reason for denying bond. I agree that these things alone (without bringing Sam into it) would probably not be sufficient reason to deny him bond.

I don't know where they got the excessive pot/ETOH use unless it came from friends or his SO. I'm guessing it came from the SO. Just because someone had a DUI many years ago would not by itself mean exessive use now. They didn't even say ILLEGAL gun possession.

Thank you. That was what I was trying to figure out. None of those charges explain why they can detain him by themselves.

Any chance he is known with LE for pot use. Maybe became a minor informant for a reduced sentence? It was a strange document. Maybe when the police searched the house they found more then the amount of personal pot one can have in AK and the SO said it was his?

 

[907]

If they think IK is the only suspect and they thought he may be keeping her captive, once they incarcerated him, I would imagine she would not last long without food and water?

IMO it would be astonishing if she lasted more than 4 hrs the first night.

If they know, or have reason to believe she is no longer alive, then i think that they should say so. otherwise, continuing the fundraising and SK fund, is kind of being disingenious, IMO.

 

[LucyOso]

IMO it would be astonishing if she lasted more than 4 hrs the first night.

If they know, or have reason to believe she is no longer alive, then i think that they should say so. otherwise, continuing the fundraising and SK fund, is kind of being disingenious, IMO.

That was a big question I have had. I don't know much about rewards, etc. I did post earlier about this...But, if I had information and my life wasn't straight and narrow, I would be hesitant to provide information. Now, there is a magic number for everything. If I knew how much the reward was, it might convince me to provide information. There is a huge difference between a $5,000 reward and a $50,000 reward. Most cases I have noticed, the reward goes up over time. It just seems if they want information, for someone there will be a "magic number". Maybe, not divulging the amount is a tactic I am not aware of? Ideas?

 

[907]

Well the reward as stated is for her "safe" return. IMO it won't be distributed to anyone if that is the condition. I noticed somewhere that it is now being called K family trust fund.

 

[LucyOso]

Well the reward as stated is for her "safe" return. IMO it won't be distributed to anyone if that is the condition. I noticed somewhere that it is now being called K family trust fund.

Just curious, because I am new at this. Is there any reason why the amount of a reward would not be divulged. Is that to protect the missing person, etc. Or to weed out the phonies? Is it a LE tactic? Just curious...

Also, I thought most rewards were for any information that leads to the recovery of the person. Why would it only be for safe return? Does the family decide that? And if that is the case, if she is no longer alive, why would anyone talk at this point? If the window of opportunity is over, why wasn't the amount shared early on, so someone could provide information...Confused.

 

[907]

It has been shared. It is over 71,000

It hasn't been updated in a while, nor has it been on flyers anymore.

 

[Snowbunny]

She would have not lasted while he was in TX and the lower 48.

Honestly, I think they thought Sam may have been with him in the lower 48 and that's why they thought she may be alive. But when they arrested him and she was nowhere to be found they changed their tune. The only way I see Sam being alive if IK had anything to do with it is if she was sold into human trafficking.

I personally think he may have had an accomplice, but there again too, I have to wonder just where he did go when he was on vacation for 2 weeks starting 2/2/12; especially when he's claiming to be so financially strapped? Do we know if he took his girlfriend and daughter with him since he asked someone to dog sit for him? Alaska has remote cabins located all over the state and I wonder if his girlfriend knows anything? Is it possible he knew of a remote cabin that wasn't in use at the time that they may have taken Samanatha to? I'm sure that girlfriend knows more than what's being said to the public. I can't imagine living with someone all this time and not knowing what's going on with their partener.

 

[gliving]

I personally think he may have had an accomplice, but there again too, I have to wonder just where he did go when he was on vacation for 2 weeks starting 2/2/12; especially when he's claiming to be so financially strapped? Do we know if he took his girlfriend and daughter with him since he asked someone to dog sit for him? Alaska has remote cabins located all over the state and I wonder if his girlfriend knows anything? Is it possible he knew of a remote cabin that wasn't in use at the time that they may have taken Samanatha to? I'm sure that girlfriend knows more than what's being said to the public. I can't imagine living with someone all this time and not knowing what's going on with their partener.

I thought of a remote cabin too, except there was probably 8 ft of snow on the ground on Feb 1. It would be next to impossible.

As to the reward money: has Samantha's father hired a private detective or similar? He certainly has the means 71K. I would think he's back to work by now so not able to search himself.

 

[Snowbunny]

I thought of a remote cabin too, except there was probably 8 ft of snow on the ground on Feb 1. It would be next to impossible.

As to the reward money: has Samantha's father hired a private detective or similar? He certainly has the means 71K. I would think he's back to work by now so not able to search himself.

I have no way of know if Samantha's father is back to work or if he has hired another PI. I understand he fired the first PI.

 

[cluciano63]

In a way, they are asking the public for help to try to find Sam, by asking about his truck, where it has been etc...it is possible that is all they have to go on, in trying to find her, but they did put it out there. This is partly why I think he is the only perp. JMO

 

[907]

Well if he did leave on the 2nd he couldn't have gone anywhere remote in time

As far as access, snowmachine and airplanes can be used all winter. They put skis on planes. Snowmachines will go through pretty much any depth of snow.

So the 8 ft or 20 ft of snow doesn't really limit any access

 

[BeeBeeOh]

But what does it say (to me that LE didn't ask anyone to look for Sam?)

To me, it says, she isn't "missing".

 

[cluciano63]

To me, it says, she isn't "missing".

As you, you think LE has her hidden away?
I don't.