AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 01 Feb 2012 - #7

[GutFeeling!]

Going waaaay out on a limb, I know. If IK took his fam on a mexican cruise, I assume he booked Carnival. only 2 ships sail from Galveston.. the magic and the triumph,,,

there was a 7 day that left on the 5th and the 12th.... I doubt he sprung for a 7 day

and the triumph does 4 and 5 days-- leaving 2/5,(4 day) 2/9 (4day) and the 2/13 sailing wouldnt allow him travel time to Alaska or to visit in TX.


the 2/9 sailing actually gets him back to TX and available to visit with family and rob a bank...how close is Azle to Galveston?... jus sayin'

Unless he left from Louisiana - cheaper cruises

 

[BeeBeeOh]

when was he is louisiana? I am only going off what I have seen or heard, and I have not seen or heard he was in louisiana, and my friend in new orleans say leaving from galveston is cheaper sometimes, and I dont think money was an issue for IK. I think IF he did go on the alleged mexican cruise he left from tx and he needed a passport.


PS did this guy stay in hotels or sleep in the car?

 

[saba]

Yea, I kwym. I'm just saying it's doubtful that they took a Mexican cruise from Texas when it's not at all convenient or economical. Maybe they did, but it would be highly unusual. Local bulletin boards are full of people wanting to buy/swap airline miles for vacations. It's almost cost-prohibitive to travel without some perk. I think they went on a cruise, then he stayed south never returning to AK. kwim?

I'd like to know how he financed his rental car when he was in Texas. Car rentals require a credit card. I'm not buying he landed in Las Vegas. Why did his rental car have Texas tags? We need a timeline for
Feb-Mar.

Why wouldn't he have a credit card?

 

[ConnectedSuitor]

random tidbit: Neah Bay is a dry town.

 

[bessie]

FWIW, for cruises departing from NOLA, the fares are high in February because of Mardi Gras.

 

[Ransom]

Please excuse me if this has been discussed earlier, I don't recall seeing it but.... Neah Bay is an Indian reservation, it just occurred to me that IK may not have a record because it happened on tribal land.

Tribal land is FEDERAL and records are kept by the Feds and some states where their laws allow.

 

[Ransom]

when was he is louisiana? I am only going off what I have seen or heard, and I have not seen or heard he was in louisiana, and my friend in new orleans say leaving from galveston is cheaper sometimes, and I dont think money was an issue for IK. I think IF he did go on the alleged mexican cruise he left from tx and he needed a passport.


PS did this guy stay in hotels or sleep in the car?

NO passport required for a closed loop cruise = beginning and ending in the US.
http://www.galvestoncruises.com/MenuItems.aspx?s=Citizenship

 

[BeeBeeOh]

I am under the impression if any port is not US then you need a passport. The two cruises from Galveston, he could have been on, stop in Progresso, Mexico. I see now, you are right, as early as last week ppl are sailing in closed loop including mexico with nothing more than state ID and a birth certificate! "Closed Loop" Cruises: U.S. citizens who board a cruise ship at a port within the United States, travel only within the Western Hemisphere, and return to the same U.S. port on the same ship may present a government issued photo identification, along with proof of citizenship (an original or copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular report of Birth Abroad, or a Certificate of Naturalization). Please be aware that you may still be required to present a passport to enter the foreign countries your cruise ship is visiting. Check with your cruise line to ensure you have the appropriate documents.

 

[ConnectedSuitor]

Tribal land is FEDERAL and records are kept by the Feds.

Well, it seems that tribal courts handle most cases except for violent or sexual crimes and even then many of them aren't prosecuted. If IK had any cases before a tribal court, I don't think we would have public access to them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/u...er-crime-and-fewer-prosecutions.html?_r=1&hpw

 

[Ransom]

Well, it seems that tribal courts handle most cases except for violent or sexual crimes and even then many of them aren't prosecuted. If IK had any cases before a tribal court, I don't think we would have public access to them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/u...er-crime-and-fewer-prosecutions.html?_r=1&hpw

We wouldn't .. IMO.

Refer to Public Law 280

and http://www.courts.wa.gov/newsinfo/content/pdf/mediaguide.pdf
Page 14: Tribal Courts (for native vs non-native)

 

[Ransom]

I am under the impression if any port is not US then you need a passport. The two cruises from Galveston, he could have been on, stop in Progresso, Mexico. I see now, you are right, as early as last week ppl are sailing in closed loop including mexico with nothing more than state ID and a birth certificate! "Closed Loop" Cruises: U.S. citizens who board a cruise ship at a port within the United States, travel only within the Western Hemisphere, and return to the same U.S. port on the same ship may present a government issued photo identification, along with proof of citizenship (an original or copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular report of Birth Abroad, or a Certificate of Naturalization). Please be aware that you may still be required to present a passport to enter the foreign countries your cruise ship is visiting. Check with your cruise line to ensure you have the appropriate documents.

BBM: NO. Most ports (as you call them) don't care who enters. Mexico certainly doesn't and the US recognizes that:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html#entry_requirements

Since March 1, 2010, all U.S. citizens – including children – have been required to present a valid passport or passport card for travel beyond the “border zone” into the interior of Mexico. The “border zone” is generally defined as an area within 20 to 30 kilometers of the border with the U.S., depending on the location.

IF you go beyond the "border zone" then may be Mexico will stop you, but it's so easy to go around those "stops" if they even exist.

Coming back to the US is a joke too. I've done it 100's of times and have never been stopped although I do have a valid US passport. I can site cases on this very board where "suspected" criminals went to Mexico (interior) and came back with NOTHING happening.

 

[Fire Dragon]

Interesting comments this evening. My thoughts.

• The lake

The area is where Wasilla and Palmer come together. It's not exactly residential, but it's in "town." To the northwest, not far up the highway is the Matsu hospital. The short drive into the lake is just off the main drag, fronted by business development as you drive not far into Palmer proper. This isn't the back country.

Snowmachines and ATV use is legal in this area. Common. You actually drive a machine up to a gas pump at the gas station, just like a car.
There are trails running everywhere and well-used trails alongside roadways. Common use trails leading in and out of subdivisions and business are called "social trails." There are trails across this lake, leading somewhere.
There's a series of bike/hiking trails (summer) and nordic ski trails (winter). There's a public-access trailhead at the experimental farm on Trunk Road that goes east and south to Matanuska Lake on old "country roads", down to the north side of the lake.
I wouldn't think these small back roads were kept plowed during the snow dump, but snowmachines definitely use them.

Lake from Fox Run: http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/small/35301542.jpg
http://www.foxrun.freeservers.com/images/officeoverlooking_lake_500x328.jpg

 

[Fire Dragon]

Well, it seems that tribal courts handle most cases except for violent or sexual crimes and even then many of them aren't prosecuted. If IK had any cases before a tribal court, I don't think we would have public access to them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/u...er-crime-and-fewer-prosecutions.html?_r=1&hpw

Sure you would.
Tribal justice systems do not supersede state and federal criminal law, nor do they adjudicate autonomously outside of the United States judicial system. There are complicated but clear, formal memorandum of agreement. It's a referral-based collaborative partnership.
And mostly they handle civil matters.

 

[z560]

Sure you would.
Tribal justice systems do not supersede state and federal criminal law, nor do they adjudicate autonomously outside of the United States judicial system. There are complicated but clear, formal memorandum of agreement. It's a referral-based collaborative partnership.
And mostly they handle civil matters.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that only the tribe and the federal government has jurisdiction over crimes committed on reservation. I don't believe the state has any jurisdiction. And it's well known that the feds don't prosecute much on reservations.

 

[BeeBeeOh]

I said you were right Ransom... I also said I was under the impression... I understand, he could have taken a cruise with only ID and his daughters BC.


I am under the impression if any port is not US then you need a passport. The two cruises from Galveston, he could have been on, stop in Progresso, Mexico. I see now, you are right, as early as last week ppl are sailing in closed loop including mexico with nothing more than state ID and a birth certificate! "Closed Loop" Cruises: U.S. citizens who board a cruise ship at a port within the United States, travel only within the Western Hemisphere, and return to the same U.S. port on the same ship may present a government issued photo identification, along with proof of citizenship (an original or copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular report of Birth Abroad, or a Certificate of Naturalization). Please be aware that you may still be required to present a passport to enter the foreign countries your cruise ship is visiting. Check with your cruise line to ensure you have the appropriate documents.

 

[Fire Dragon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that only the tribe and the federal government has jurisdiction over crimes committed on reservation. I don't believe the state has any jurisdiction. And it's well known that the feds don't prosecute much on reservations.

Yes. That's right. (Mostly.)

It's called a "government-to-government relationship." Tribal lands are not federal. Federal government has no jurisdiction. The state has no jurisdiction. That's why there can be casinos where gambling is illegal by state and federal code.

What there IS, is agreements. Treaties : )
Every "Federally-Recognized Tribe" is a separate unique individual culture, each with its own assets and resources. Every tribal operation is different. Some tribal systems are far more advanced and sophisticated than others. Some have none at all. Depends on where it is.
ALL of them have a management plan and agreements of one kind or another with authorities and law enforcement.

The authority of the Tribe is unequivocal. However, each individual tribal member is subject to the law of the land, as United States citizens. The important part: individuals are not sovereign - a tribe is. A politico-geographical organization.

So. "The Tribe" decides how it will maintain order and justice. Through agreements with local, state, federal authorities.
In Washington state, state and federal law enforcement cannot set foot on reservation land, cannot remove an individual, cannot enforce a warrant. What they DO do, is collaborate with tribal law enforcement. Everybody knows their role and how it's going to play out, ahead of time.

Adjudication - law of the land. Tribal members are in no way exempt from local, state and federal law, and prosecution for violations.

A rough over-simplified primer. There's always exceptions.

 

[BeeBeeOh]

when was he is louisiana?

did this guy stay in hotels or sleep in the car?

what happened to Samanthas personal FB page?

 

[ak81]

AND Duane's FB page.. ??

 

[ConnectedSuitor]

when was he is louisiana?

did this guy stay in hotels or sleep in the car?

what happened to Samanthas personal FB page?

No one said he was in LA. He was seen coming out of a hotel room in Lufkin, TX right before his arrest, so I assume he slept there. Other than that how could we know where he slept? No idea about the FB page.

 

[BeeBeeOh]

:banghead: yes, someone said he could have cruised out of NoLA, and I was asking for any media or comments saying he was spotted or had admitted to being in LA. Poster here was questioning why I thought he could have left from Galveston. I said Galveston because he was seen in the state and within 4 hrs of galveston.

No one seems remotely concerned that a teenage girls FB page gets deleted before she gets murdered and no one from a single hotel has said they saw IK or his daughter on EITHER trip to TX? I am feeling odd that I am the only one questioning the mysteries that once concerned this thread. And JK's initial letter to the kidnappers seems much more relevant NOW that IK has been arrested. Leads me to believe that IK and JK are familiar with one another.