AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #5

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Also it wouldn't be very smart to go on using the same name after that instead of a fake one would it?

Richard (Dick) Whitman assumed deceased Korean War lieutenant Dick Draper's name in "Mad Men"...does that count? :seeya:

Just kidding... couldn't help myself!

 

[GateKeeper]

Colville is about 30 minutes from me, wonder if some of my friends knew him... especially since one of my closest friends in child/adulthood is the owner of a chain of lumberyards...

Well Dillysmom...we're sorta,kinda neighbors! Whudoya know!:seeya:

sorry OT..:blushing:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

It doesn't look like an official document to me, even tho it off center so it appears to be a scan but it doesn't look right the signature of his superior for instance is just a scanned sig and the emblems look fake (do the army issue generic ones like that?) , can anyone else clarify?

JMOO

Yes... is there a serviceman/woman who could shed light on IK's supposed military document?
TIA

 

[bessie]

It doesn't look like an official document to me, even tho it off center so it appears to be a scan but it doesn't look right the signature of his superior for instance is just a scanned sig and the emblems look fake (do the army issue generic ones like that?) , can anyone else clarify?

JMOO

If you do a google search for "army achievement medal", and click on "images", you can see examples. Ones issued around the same time will be marked "DA 4980-18, Nov 97" in the lower left hand corner.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

If you do a google search for "army achievement medal", and click on "images", you can see examples. Ones issued around the same time will be marked "DA 4980-18, Nov 97" in the lower left hand corner.

Thanks, Bessie!

Yes...I see DA FORM 4980 - 18, NOV 97
in the lower left hand corner of IK's Army achievement Medal.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

FWIW...I looked up public info. for Canada under Israel Keyes... and found the same info. we have found so far, even a map locating him in Anchorage Alaska. It claims Canada works with the US in these people searches.

 

[elephantchild]

IK has actually been portraying himself as much younger than 34. One of the news articles referred to a marathon he had run in 2006. So I went to a results site to look it up. In that race , he self-described as 25 yrs old. The other races he ran that year list him as 20 yrs old per info he would have given them when he signed up. If you run in a younger age group, it's harder to win an age group division award so NOBODY does that. UNLESS maybe he's trying to appeal to younger women.

Here's the link with the 2006 races:http://athlinks.com/searchbeta.aspx?term=israel+keyes (when the site opens, scroll down)

2006
North Olympic Discovery Marathon & Half Marathon 2006 25 WA 6/11
Sequim Run Off 10K/2 Mile 20 WA 5/06
Robin Hill Run 10K/5K 20 WA 4/08
Lincoln Park Run 20 WA 3/11

I didn't want my first post to be a correction, but you need to dig a level deeper. The "age" column is in fact an age RANGE - so he entered the North Olympic Discovery Marathon in the 25-29 age range, in line with his given age; the Lincoln Park Run gives the range at 20-24, but when you look at the list of entries, they are jump from 20 to 30 to 40 - so claiming that he lied about his age based on this evidence is not warranted. just wanted to clear that up.

There is so little information in this case in general and on Israel Keyes in particular that it is easy to get sidetracked.

Now on towhat I originally wanted to post about.

I have been following since nearly the beginning and find the card skimming theory interesting. Would a coffee stand be lucrative enough as a skimming target? Would there be enough transactions using credit cards? If the skimmer was inside the hut, then would some cooperation from a barrista (not necessarily Sam) have been required?

What about that truck that was outside the coffee stand - mentioned early on, or am I misremembering? Could it have been receiving information?

 

[Snowbunny]

Isreal instead of Israel.

http://keyesconstruction.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/AAM_award.152155131.jpg

I have friends who run in races and it's not unusual for the results to be labeled wrong. With a big race there can be hundreds of runners.

ETA: I just put in my friend name and the results are all over the place. Try a runner you know and see if you get similar results.

I've typed hundreds of these awards up during my USAF career and I can tell you they have to be perfect in every sense of the word. Look where the "TO" is, it should be centered above his name. Its also missing a date on the left side and the spacing is off as well. Its a forgery if you ask me. The fact his name isn't spell correctly leads me to that conclusion as well.

 

[akmama]

I don't know the correct terms, but I know building contractors get paid two ways. One way, is at the end of a job, especially if it is a house with a mortgage. The contractor will cover all costs, then get reimbursed, materials plus labor. Another fairly common way is to have an escrow or account or credit card available so the contractor can purchase building supplies as he/she goes. That way they do not incur building supplies costs. They sometimes are paid weekly or at the end of the job. Is it possible, he was using an account/escrow/etc for more than building supplies? Perhaps, to purchase supplies for his own home renovation? I posted a little earlier, but, I do wonder if there are internal reasons for protecting IK. I think his link to Sam may be more from an informant/undercover role and they are trying not to blow the original case (reason why he was there in the first place) and years of work? By the time he was arrested in Texas, his "handlers" stepped in and identified him. That is why it is hush-hush. And they need to protect him in prison...no one likes a agent or snitch. And by his arrest, perhaps, the pressure will be on others and someone may crack (not knowing if he is talking) or let down their guard. Often in an undercover case, there is a whole process to extricate someone from an investigation. Sometimes, it can take a few months for Bureaucrats to process paperwork to close a case. Often, innocent people get injured or killed in the process and the agent has to stay quiet. It wouldn't be to hard to have one of the people "paying him" for his "construction work" to nail him on a charge of access fraud. It is not unreasonable to get him to a wedding in another state to protect him, too...

Sam may just be a form of collateral damage...

good point! Also, my husband does construction. I know that someone looked up his business license, it was expired, and they are kinda sticklers when the city is concerned (permits, etc.). It also made me think of something else. My husband bid a job a few months back, the homeowners didn't hire him, and said they found someone to do it for like $5000. My husband told them it was pretty much impossible because the materials cost more than that. They didn't listen, paid the guy the 5 grand upfront, and never saw him again. He could have been running a scheme like that also. People seem to put common sense on the back burner when they think they'll save some money. There was another guy busted in Anchorage maybe six months ago for taking peoples money and never showing up to do the work, some people are naive.

 

[LucyOso]

I've typed hundreds of these awards up during my USAF career and I can tell you they have to be perfect in every sense of the word. Look where the "TO" is, it should be centered about his name. Its also missing a signature on the left side. Its a forgery if you ask me. The fact his name isn't spell correctly leads me to that conclusion as well.

Are you referring to the marathon results quote or the Letter from the Army? Thanks. I may have missed something...

 

[GutFeeling!]

Welcome Elephant child!:seeya:
(that is a hello wave from Texas)


Glad you joined us - we have this case nearly solved :banghead:

 

[ak81]

I've typed hundreds of these awards up during my USAF career and I can tell you they have to be perfect in every sense of the word. Look where the "TO" is, it should be centered above his name. Its also missing a date on the left side and the spacing is off as well. Its a forgery if you ask me. The fact his name isn't spell correctly leads me to that conclusion as well.

But why would he use a forged document that misspells his name?? Obviously, HE wasn't the one who had it forged it then...

 

[katydid23]

I didn't want my first post to be a correction, but you need to dig a level deeper. The "age" column is in fact an age RANGE - so he entered the North Olympic Discovery Marathon in the 25-29 age range, in line with his given age; the Lincoln Park Run gives the range at 20-24, but when you look at the list of entries, they are jump from 20 to 30 to 40 - so claiming that he lied about his age based on this evidence is not warranted. just wanted to clear that up.

There is so little information in this case in general and on Israel Keyes in particular that it is easy to get sidetracked.

Now on towhat I originally wanted to post about.

I have been following since nearly the beginning and find the card skimming theory interesting. Would a coffee stand be lucrative enough as a skimming target? Would there be enough transactions using credit cards? If the skimmer was inside the hut, then would some cooperation from a barrista (not necessarily Sam) have been required?

What about that truck that was outside the coffee stand - mentioned early on, or am I misremembering? Could it have been receiving information?

First off, :welcome: to the forum. Very well thought out first post.


About the skimming deal and if the hut would be lucrative. Actually, I think it might be perfect. Because it is the number of hits that pay off, not the amount of the transaction. They are skimming to get the pin numbers and account info. So the more cards that are used the better off they are. And I bet they have a huge morning rush.

 

[akmama]

Something I find interesting is that on an old yahoo hit for his (IK) business, he states 24 hour service. He's a 1 man shop. 24 hours? Really?

Makah Tribe is Indian. Is Israel Indian born? Partial blood? Full blood? If so, from which tribe? Do Indian tribes contract out instead of bulking up their tribe's funds by hiring within?

I don't think its odd he put 24 hour service. With pipes freezing and roofs leaking during the winter, people need work done, sometimes immediately (with water pouring into their homes) and stating that he's willing to come out anytime, is a plus up here. My husband won't do it, but he has recieved calls very late at night!

 

[Snowbunny]

Are you referring to the marathon results quote or the Letter from the Army? Thanks. I may have missed something...

The Army Achievement Medal is what I was referring to. I also noticed that the paragraph is indented which they don't do. Its not official unless there is a date on it left of the signature.

 

[Snowbunny]

There is no way this guy was given an honerable discharge if he served in a federal prison and I believe he did. Also the If memory serves me correctly there was a discussion about him being discharged from a federal facility and people couldn't understand why he was there being in the military but he was more than likely sent there for the DUI on post. But the fact is that is not an official award that he's got posted on the net. I also noticed that the LTC was Commanding of "What." That's an incomplete signature block. It should say "Commander" etc. Also LTC is suppose to be Lt Col and then the name.

 

[ak81]

The fact his name isn't spell correctly leads me to that conclusion as well.

So, what, he paid someone to forge an army document that misspells his name? Like he didn't notice??
I don't get it. I must be missing something.

JMO but I think it's more likely that whatever base he was on wasn't as particular with their award docs as yours, Snowbunny.. maybe they just let them get by with sloppier typing..

 

[DadinAK]

Has it been said anywhere, whether or not IK did any construction work on the shacks for CGE?

 

[GutFeeling!]

So, what, he paid someone to forge an army document that misspells his name? Like he didn't notice??
I don't get it. I must be missing something.

I think it is aimed at whether this man is gueniune. There seems to be very little about him considering what he is suspected of.

Also there was a mna with the same name that committed suicide so people were trying to see whether he had stolen his identity.

When the police don't give information and reporters don't report - we look lol

I do wish I knew about this site when I did the cop beat, you guys would have been all kinds of awesome for question asking

 

[Snowbunny]

So, what, he paid someone to forge an army document that misspells his name? Like he didn't notice??
I don't get it. I must be missing something.

Do you see a date to the left of the Lt Colonel's name? No. Its not official unless there is a date there. The military is very meticulous about everything on an award being perfect. That is not an official award. I don't know what this guy thinks he is accomplishing by putting it out there but its not official. Look I served 20+ years and am retired so I do know what I'm talking about. I also served on the Inspector General's Team, Joint Task Force-Alaska, and Quality Assurance during my 20+ years. IK's so called award is a fraud.