Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019 #5

[ChuckInHouston]

I have been curious from early on about peoples take on sobriety in general. I read over and over, "relapse", "may have relapsed", " could have relapsed". I think we would all love to take at face value that the victim was clean and sober. I don't think most post regarding drug use, is intended to bash PH. I believe at heart, we all grieve a little for people in the addiction category. At least most of us. Or at least, try our best collectively to understand it from the the victim's side, the family's side and even the public's view. In a perfect world, everyone who is in recovery, would make it to the other side. The truth is, many do not. I would say that most of the worst cases, do not. There is a common thread among addicts. They are all liars. They are all good liars. It's a condition of the symptom, of being an addict. I have a cousin who had been a meth addict for many years. She's was in her 50's. several stents in rehab over the years. Her parents would have argued to the death that she was sober for the last 20 years. She was not. She held a regular job. Had kids, etc. She must have been exceptionally good at hiding it, at least around people who are not users. I think some of that comes from not being able to see all the signs, because you have never been there. It's also hard to imagine for sober people how something can get that kind of hold on you. There are degrees of addiction, from wake up under a bridge, to highly functional, almost passing for normal. My cousin is no longer with us. She passed under mysterious circumstances, around friends and even a relative, the previous night. Small town East Texas. Very similar to the area of AL where PH was found, in that there are good parts surrounded by many bad parts. In the end, drugs are what got her. After work on a friday night, or early sat am. There wasn't much put into it in the way of trying to figure out what happened. I'm not saying PH was not sober, but even her actions right up to the point of being at any bar period, so soon after starting the process, is already a step in the wrong direction. If FH killed her or had a hand in her death, or harmed her in any way, I hope he pays the highest price. Truthfully, I hope he pays regardless, because in my eyes, predators like that are not redeemable. I don't imagine that most reading this are ex addicts. If there is one, take a lesson from it. surround yourself with safe people. Only safe people. Go to church, you will not find drugs hidden in the hymnals. Many of them are open 24hrs. You don't even have to be religious. mow the lawn, lock yourself in a room. Learn that it's ok to hurt the feelings of people who are bad for you.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

My cousin is no longer with us. She passed under mysterious circumstances, around friends and even a relative, the previous night. Small town East Texas. Very similar to the area of AL where PH was found, in that there are good parts surrounded by many bad parts. In the end, drugs are what got her. After work on a friday night, or early sat am. There wasn't much put into it in the way of trying to figure out what happened.

So sorry to hear about your cousin.

 

[Jane_Fox]

Oh... well okay I just read a bit about the case with Paighton Houston (sorry i couldnt get a clear idea of things that fast in the forum) so just went to a snippet on the news. Perhaps I still have blinders on but IMO its news worthy/National SOLELY because shes from TRUSSVILLE & ended up willingly in BRIGHTON. That DOESN'T happen there. Really its not even about why she went with them or anything else MOO NOTICE national news dodnt really pick it up until after she was found

 

[SaucyWalker]

I asked this question a couple of times after it was announced that LE found her body and I've searched online for the answer, but has it ever been stated definitively whether PH was clothed when found in the "hole?" Or, for that matter, other than her body being described as "intact," if her body showed any signs of a sexual assault? I wonder if such signs could even be detected two weeks after she disappeared. Now that we know the fugitive is a SO I feel it's a legitimate question.

Another question to which I can't find an answer: Is it permissible for LE to withhold information from the public based on the request of the victim's family?

 

[TheExperience]

@TheExperience ok I googled it to compare;

Awesome. Thank you, this gives me more context to go by to get a better feel of the area. You may not know, but do these areas especially Brighton, have more street walkers than other cities? I am asking this specifically because: not familiar with area, and many cities, who at some point in time, had this occurring, with obvious extremely vulnerable girls/men sashaying in obvious advertising services, imo, have become, almost extinct in many cities, because of online escorting, yet this update in technology has not taken the girls in Lumberton off the streets, apparently.

Do you have knowledge of this area in Brighton, more specifically, and the other areas if known?

 

[Momof4RN]

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“In terms of how many people she left with, we’re not sure. We do know that Fred Hampton is definitely involved. There’s witnesses that said he was present that night. He was present at Tin Roof.”

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“He will be apprehended,” Washington said. “He will be held accountable.”

Washington added that tips are needed to bring anyone involved in Houston’s case to justice. She said that there “very well could be” other people involved but didn’t specify if there are any other suspects on the radar.

“We need the community to help us do our job and hold these people accountable.”

Paighton Houston: Tips sought as search continues for suspect who buried woman in backyard. DA confirms details on bar sighting

 

[Jane_Fox]

I believe Drugs and Poverty. The houses look similar, imo, to the 2 shown so far from this case.
I have been trying to get a feel of how PH felt being driven to what I am suspecting would be a similar region to that of Lumberton's region.

Another question for the area insider, is street walkers, not online workers. Lumberton, NC still has many street walkers, who use extensively. Are there streetwalkers out in the open in those 3 areas of Alabama?

@TheExperience
I disagree. They are not the same type of areas. Is every 3rd house burned doen in Lumberton? Are there no shops or stores unless they are closed down or burned? Are there stray dogs roaming the streets? Is it dark & unlight due to either no street lights or simply not working? Above all... Is Lumberton 98% Black? I dont know a bunch about this case like i keep saying, BUTI gtee it wasn’t as big a deal until they saw video footage she was a clean cut white woman walking outta that bar with some skanky looking big black men. THATS why the 1st LE stated on al.com “something looks strange.” When she was found doen there in That area of hueytown bordering Brighton/Bessemer/Lipscomb... thats why news went nuts initially down there because most people In the know, KNOW. My guess is she felt freaked out seeing how drastic in changes once hitting that cross over line. Its like going from San Diego over the border. White addicts don't go there to get their drugs. They aren't crazy! No there are no hookers or street walkers or sinilar. If they opened back up the gambling den they yeah maybe inside there.
Edit* I seriously doubt black people go there to get drugs either. Drugs you buy from near where you live or can crash. Too far from bHm to Brighton to buy drugs imo. But i can ask around wtf happened. I dont see that it matters. Its just her...ending up THERE

 

[Jane_Fox]

Oh man @Heroine , reading this is making me flip-flop on my theory. It's very good point.
For all we know FH could have worked at the TR.

there is no way FH worked at the TR. thats a nice place. He was a registered sex offender “supposedly” living in Brighton & Bessemer where unemployment is higher than areas in BHM. No way. Imo that makes no sense. Idk... but disnt she just OD & he dumped the body? Like i said my friend found 2 in Hueytown and there was never any hullabaloo imo... because they weren't white woman from Trussville. @TheExperience it was an OD & his crime thus far was dumping her body. Happens every day, sad to say.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

@TheExperience
I disagree. They are not the same type of areas. Is every 3rd house burned doen in Lumberton? Are there no shops or stores unless they are closed down or burned? Are there stray dogs roaming the streets? Is it dark & unlight due to either no street lights or simply not working? Above all... Is Lumberton 98% Black? I dont know a bunch about this case like i keep saying, BUTI gtee it wasn’t as big a deal until they saw video footage she was a clean cut white woman walking outta that bar with some skanky looking big black men. THATS why the 1st LE stated on al.com “something looks strange.” When she was found doen there in That area of hueytown bordering Brighton/Bessemer/Lipscomb... thats why news went nuts initially down there because most people In the know, KNOW. My guess is she felt freaked out seeing how drastic in changes once hitting that cross over line. Its like going from San Diego over the border. White addicts don't go there to get their drugs. They aren't crazy! No there are no hookers or street walkers or sinilar. If they opened back up the gambling den they yeah maybe inside there.
Edit* I seriously doubt black people go there to get drugs either. Drugs you buy from near where you live or can crash. Too far from bHm to Brighton to buy drugs imo. But i can ask around wtf happened. I dont see that it matters. Its just her...ending up THERE

Longview, Kilgore, Union city, Tyler, I could go on. Not necessarily burned out, but drug ridden pocket neighborhoods. They have a severe meth problem and as of the last few hears, Heroine. Just that they have many pocket neighborhoods similar to this. Many have not streetlights, some never did. many areas where it is predominantly black.
Yes, white addicts would go to these type of neighborhoods to buy drugs. Or just to do drugs. Severe addicts are not particular about the co they keep. If you driver over to Citigas right now (houston ghetto) Straight crack neighborhood. All black, you will see several young, white woment, meandering around. some leaving in nice cars, and some walking.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

there is no way FH worked at the TR. thats a nice place. He was a registered sex offender “supposedly” living in Brighton & Bessemer where unemployment is higher than areas in BHM. No way. Imo that makes no sense. Idk... but disnt she just OD & he dumped the body? Like i said my friend found 2 in Hueytown and there was never any hullabaloo imo... because they weren't white woman from Trussville. @TheExperience it was an OD & his crime thus far was dumping her body. Happens every day, sad to say.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

there is no way FH worked at the TR. thats a nice place. He was a registered sex offender “supposedly” living in Brighton & Bessemer where unemployment is higher than areas in BHM. No way. Imo that makes no sense. Idk... but disnt she just OD & he dumped the body? Like i said my friend found 2 in Hueytown and there was never any hullabaloo imo... because they weren't white woman from Trussville. @TheExperience it was an OD & his crime thus far was dumping her body. Happens every day, sad to say.

LOLOLOL.....For sure! Was halfway kidding when I suggested that FH might work at the TR. I can't find a single bit of work history on him. And from what you've said about the area....I think we know how he's been making a living!

 

[evilwise]

Alacourt.com is a pay for service that basically every attorney in Alabama uses to track their cases.

Okay - but for the purposes of websleuths the important question is if those cases are public record elsewhere on the Internet. If they're only public record in the physical records offices, I'm not sure what that would mean regarding the rules for posting them. I guess you'd have to physically travel and scan them to share them? Or there might be additional rules you'd have to agree to there at the records office before you could get to make copies.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

Longview, Kilgore, Union city, Tyler, I could go on. Not necessarily burned out, but drug ridden pocket neighborhoods. They have a severe meth problem and as of the last few hears, Heroine. Just that they have many pocket neighborhoods similar to this. Many have not streetlights, some never did. many areas where it is predominantly black.
Yes, white addicts would go to these type of neighborhoods to buy drugs. Or just to do drugs. Severe addicts are not particular about the co they keep. If you driver over to Citigas right now (houston ghetto) Straight crack neighborhood. All black, you will see several young, white woment, meandering around. some leaving in nice cars, and some walking.

Also, I have been through both, Brighton, Hueytown, Bessimer, AL and all over east Texas. I have family in Birmingham, my dad id from there. I have family in Pale City and Jasper, AL as well. I have family all over East Texas, and have spent extensive amounts of time in both. IMO, these areas are very similar.

 

[stattlich1]

it was an OD & his crime thus far was dumping her body.

MOO, at this point, I agree. Many dance around the OD piece, out of respect for PH, and I understand that. But thus far, and this is MOO, MOO, MOO, the facts available in this case lead me to believe she died of an overdose, EITHER forced upon her in some way, or by addictive choice.

FYI, I've posted on this thread before that there are likely gang related individuals involved in this, hence the lack of witnesses speaking out, among other things.....it's a REAL thing, and can be deadly.

I hesitate to do so, but will once again. I am clean and sober 27 years. Anyone can do as they please, believe what they wish, think what they want, post up their ideas and opinions, but this old boy don't keep rattlesnakes in his underwear drawer. This is for those addicts on here that are fighting addiction.....you hang out in a barber shop long enough, you'll wind up getting a haircut.

 

[Jane_Fox]

Everybody who drives thru a town & Dad grew up 30 miles away is an expert in a locale- just saying

 

[MimosaMornings]

Lumberton was ranked as #1 in the poorest city in the US in this article from 2013. Not much has changed since then in my opinion.
Lumbee Indian is large part of the population.

NC has three of the 10 poorest cities in the US, according to report

 

[Jane_Fox]

Lumberton was ranked as #1 in the poorest city in the US in this article from 2013. Not much has changed since then in my opinion.
Lumbee Indian is large part of the population.

NC has three of the 10 poorest cities in the US, according to report

That is apples to oranges. Rank it based on size, unemployment, programs, benefits, health care, education wtc. Whats with this Lumberton stuff so much? I think i missed something. Does Lumberton have to do with this thread at all or PH?!

 

[TheExperience]

That is apples to oranges. Rank it based on size, unemployment, programs, benefits, health care, education wtc. Whats with this Lumberton stuff so much? I think i missed something. Does Lumberton have to do with this thread at all or PH?!

It has a missing victim with a history of heroin use, from a family, I think, similar to PH's, plus 3 dead women in the same short time span, found in trash cans, one in a trap house. No updates, however OD seemed to be where LE left it off, but autopsy official papers of the victims show asphyxiation and other neck traumas.

My original point of asking you was, to get a feeling, of what the 3 areas are like in Alabama in this case, another southern city/state, with similar houses and a feel about it compared to another case which circumstances initially made me focus on this case.


This is why I asked to either get a better feel or a different one from your experiences in the area.

 

[Beth11311]

I think people who start saying we are victim blaming to talk about the possibility that she overdosed are putting a scandalous stigma to drug abuse and trying to make it disgusting and dirty. They are judging. IMO

This, exactly. Very well said - I always find it interesting in many many cases I’ve followed, that most (family included) would rather believe that their loved one died of foul play, rather than an OD. It proves just how deeply the stigma runs.

Perhaps it’s because dying from an OD is seen as a choice, while murder is seen as something the victim couldn’t possibly help.

Something to consider - I would much rather die via OD than murder, and I’d much rather know that my loved one went peacefully than knowing they were terrified and in pain in their final moments.

Regardless, PH didn’t deserve to be discarded like trash, and I hope that any that were involved are brought to justice.

 

[Beekarina]

IS FH particularly "skanky looking" though? We know he's got a terrible past, BUT his headshot that I saw on the Heavy yesterday looks "normal" enough.

I think if he was employed at the Tin Roof, that would have already gotten out. I would not make assumptions about where he might have worked though, based on it being " a nice place. "

It wouldn't be unusual for a guy with his past to work under the table, and bars, restaurants, would be common places to work on a cash basis.

The trucking company where PH worked might also be connected. Maybe he did day labor? Anything is possible here. He did his time, and was following the rules until this happened, so who knows? Someone might have hired him.