Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019 #5

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I have been trying to figure out how far the bar was from McClain st it seems I’m not familiar with AL because I have google mapped 31 minutes and then another McClain st over an hour away lol either way that would make up for the time that she left til she sent the text or closer to the time the text was sent which makes more sense considering it’s then when she realizes she may be in danger cuz she didn’t know where she was.
Edited to add that for whatever reason I whole heartedly feel PH sent that text. And if she knew drugs were involved or anywhere around her that would also explain why she didn’t text her parents or family she wouldn’t want them to know she was around drugs or in a situation like that. I’m sure she never thought she would die.
Also one other thing... according to things I have read her ID was home so maybe she wasn’t drinking at Tin roof which may be why she wanted to leave. I wouldn’t want to be at a bar and unable to drink.

I'm also not familiar with AL but had no problem using google maps to draw the distance from the Tin Roof Bar (actual address) to McClain St., Brighton (no address reported in MSM) to the Bessemer residence where PH's body was found buried in the back yard (215 Chappel Dr).

From the bar to the Bessemer residence via Brighton is only about 17.4 miles or 29 minutes by car. Hope this answers your questions.

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is it McClain st or road? When I search the exact address I don’t get a match.

When I search McClain street or road in Brighton nothing comes up and that article said road and some say street lol I don’t know

I got what I believe to be the exact address from Facebook so I won’t say it lol

I simply used "McClain St," Brighton -- without a house number and believe the results are fairly accurate without sleuthing anyone or their residence.

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I'm also not familiar with AL but had no problem using google maps to draw the distance from the Tin Roof Bar (actual address) to McClain St., Brighton (no address reported in MSM) to the Bessemer residence where PH's body was found buried in the back yard (215 Chappel Dr).

From the bar to the Bessemer residence via Brighton is only about 17.4 miles or 29 minutes by car. Hope this answers your questions.

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Good for you. Glad you could help! It was broke for me lol
 
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When I put myself in PH's mom or family's shoes, I can see that in grief, considering an OD would feel like victim blaming. It is hard to imagine that happening to someone you love so much and have seen fight an addiction that almost took her life then successfully complete rehab and presumably turn her life around.

We don't know what happened. I don't consider an OD victim blaming, though, because I see addiction as a disease. I've lost loved ones to addiction and have dear family actively fighting recovery day to day. They all make this very known and relapse is incredibly common. It is a constant battle. If OD was involved in PH's death, it doesn't make it any less tragic. It doesn't make her any less a victim. And it doesn't mean she is responsible for or deserved to lose her life and be buried in that shallow grave.
Very well said. Drug addiction is a fact of life. Paighton had that addiction and had to fight the urge to use again each day. That was a fact of HER life. Recovery is a 24 hour deal. Just for today. There is a reason for that saying, because no matter how many days of clean time she put together, she was not guaranteed clean time the rest of her life. If she did relapse, it was a part of her story. That in no way is blaming her to acknowledge she had that disease.

If she relapsed and it caused her death, it’s no less a tragedy then cold blooded murder is. At this point, without an ME report with tox included, we don’t know if she died of an OD or if she was murdered. I guess at this point, it doesn’t make much difference, it doesn’t change how dead she is.

I think people who start saying we are victim blaming to talk about the possibility that she overdosed are putting a scandalous stigma to drug abuse and trying to make it disgusting and dirty. They are judging. IMO
 
Very well said. Drug addiction is a fact of life. Paighton had that addiction and had to fight the urge to use again each day. That was a fact of HER life. Recovery is a 24 hour deal. Just for today. There is a reason for that saying, because no matter how many days of clean time she put together, she was not guaranteed clean time the rest of her life. If she did relapse, it was a part of her story. That in no way is blaming her to acknowledge she had that disease.

If she relapsed and it caused her death, it’s no less a tragedy then cold blooded murder is. At this point, without an ME report with tox included, we don’t know if she died of an OD or if she was murdered. I guess at this point, it doesn’t make much difference, it doesn’t change how dead she is.

I think people who start saying we are victim blaming to talk about the possibility that she overdosed are putting a scandalous stigma to drug abuse and trying to make it disgusting and dirty. They are judging. IMO
I'm most appreciative of our members that have shared their own addiction and recovery stories here and also the education how easy a clean addict can succumb to a minimal dosage after living clean. Wishing continued peace and comfort for PH's family and friends.
 
I'm most appreciative of our members that have shared their own addiction and recovery stories here and also the education how easy a clean addict can succumb to a minimal dosage after living clean. Wishing continued peace and comfort for PH's family and friends.
I know she was at the TRB. I don’t know if she was drinking an alcoholic beverage there or not but if it was an alcoholic beverage, she basically already had relapsed in her clean time program. Alcohol is a chemical substance, just like heroin, cocaine or meth. It makes no difference, all these chemicals have one thing in common, they put the user in a different mental state. All are addictive, all are drugs. So if she was drinking that night, it could have been a trigger or a gateway to some other drugs later where her death eventually occurred. I!O, JMHO, IME
 
It's not always the case, but quite often. I have family in Perry County...basically two cities, Marion and Uniontown and several smaller communities. Police in Marion, the larger of the two cities...three officers. Uniontown, I'm betting less. The other communities in Perry County, none other than the Sheriff's office. Bessemer is larger city of the three mentioned and I'm sure has more, Brighton...not so much. Read the first facebook post on Brighton's PD below. You'll get the vibe. If you consider Hoover, Vestavia Hills, Mountain Brook, Chelsea, etc. suburbs of Bham, oh yeah, that's totally different but I look at those as more of Bham proper than Brighton and Hueytown. I do agree tho, not all are the same.

Brighton Police Department - Brighton, Alabama - Police Station | Facebook
Not surprising at all. What is typical in Alabama is that there are many small communities and cities scattered throughout the state. Most have the same dynamics - largely unemployed, economically depressed, subpar educational opportunities, higher than average crime, and higher than average drug problems. They also have minimal law enforcement presence and therefore make it easy for criminals, sex offenders, and the like to operate or hide. The fact that this case has drifted from Birmingham proper to Bessemer, Brighton, and Hueytown is not surprising.
Not surprising at all. What is typical in Alabama is that there are many small communities and cities scattered throughout the state. Most have the same dynamics - largely unemployed, economically depressed, subpar educational opportunities, higher than average crime, and higher than average drug problems. They also have minimal law enforcement presence and therefore make it easy for criminals, sex offenders, and the like to operate or hide. The fact that this case has drifted from Birmingham proper to Bessemer, Brighton, and Hueytown is not surprising.

@MajorHoople @CuriousBystander others re: questions abiut Brighton, Hueytown, Bessemer. I lived there for a couple of years leaving 4 years ago. (Verifiable if needed). A lot to view on this thread, but what i can tell you is Brighton is the biggest rundown cesspool of drugs, crime & poverty. Bessemer is like top highest in country with crime for its size. Whatever you see on google maps may not be accurate phitis. Every few houses are burned out. These are not suburbs in any sense you might think you relate to. I hired a body guard for pretty much going most places outta the fortified home & always to the shop i had 1440 4th st Bessemer. Its like a 5 min drive from Hueytown thru Brighton over to Bessemer. I bought a few houses for tax deeds between $400-2,500. You really cant alarm a house fast enough if power was off so the houses get squatters, used as drug dens & all copper is torn out & AC. Drug gangs run Brighton. All cops are corrupt.
 
I lived in Brighton that neighborhood was never Got at any point in time lol! Its like the highest dumping ground for sex offenders, and Many are vacant torn up anyways.

This case caught my eye because the crime at first and area reminded me of a serial killer cold case in an area of NC, which 3 girls were found disposed in garbage cans and one in a trap house. One girl is still missing. The FBI came in later, although COD was left at ambiguous, leading most to believe OD. However, a few years later, LE has published no updates.

The girl missing, has a heavy past of heroin drug use, but is, imo, for that area only, considered to be from a more prominent family, so LE and family seemed to annex her slightly from the others, but she went missing similarly to that of PH, mysteriously, left and disappeared into thin air around the same time of the other 3 girls, and there have been no updates for several years, and no reports of her since then! This is odd to me.

However, imo, a reputable guy who makes You Tube cold case videos, has updated in 2018, papers he received of their autopsies which show many neck injuries and other physical injuries. I cannot name his proper name here in links to video updates. For years, no official LE updates at all toward the 3 girls found disposed of or the missing female.

Here is Lumberton, NC crime rate. Would you consider Brighton, Birmingham, and Hueytown similar in violent and deadly crime rates, you having previously lived or owned properties in those locations?

Lumberton, NC | Crime Statistics | Neighborhoods | Gangs

Lumberton is a region located in NC, and has a population of 21,815. This region is policed by LUMBERTON POLICE DEPARTMENT.

Lumberton has an overall crime rate of 17,607 per 100,000 residents. This is one of the most dangerous regions in the United States. This means that your chances of becoming a victim of any type of crime in Lumberton is 1 in 6 if you reside there for a year.

The average overall crime rate for Lumberton for the previous 2 years was 16,814 per 100,000 residents. This means that the crime rate for Lumberton has been increasing over time.
 
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I lived in Brighton that neighborhood was never Got at any point in time lol! Its like the highest dumping ground for sex offenders, and Many are vacant torn up anyways.
Glad you moved! It's strange though, SOs do tend to live in "clumps." I live in a historical district in an urban area. We have million dollar homes (not me) on one street and 20+ SOs just 2 blocks over.
 
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This case caught my eye because the crime at first and area reminded me of a serial killer cold case in an area of NC, which 3 girls were found disposed in garbage cans and one in a trap house. One girl is still missing. The FBI came in later, although COD was left at ambiguous, leading most to believe OD. However, a few years later, LE has published no updates.

However, imo, a reputable guy who makes You Tube cold case videos, has updated in 2018, papers he received of their autopsies which show many neck injuries and other physical injuries. I cannot name his proper name here in links to video updates. For years, no official LE updates at all toward the 3 girls found disposed of or the missing female.

Here is Lumberton, NC crime rate. Would you consider Brighton, Birmingham, and Hueytown similar in violent and deadly crime rates, you having previously lived or owned properties in those locations?

Lumberton, NC | Crime Statistics | Neighborhoods | Gangs

Lumberton is a region located in NC, and has a population of 21,815. This region is policed by LUMBERTON POLICE DEPARTMENT.

Lumberton has an overall crime rate of 17,607 per 100,000 residents. This is one of the most dangerous regions in the United States. This means that your chances of becoming a victim of any type of crime in Lumberton is 1 in 6 if you reside there for a year.

The average overall crime rate for Lumberton for the previous 2 years was 16,814 per 100,000 residents. This means that the crime rate for Lumberton has been increasing over time.
Ugh Lumberton...fly high dear Hania (rip Nov 2018).
 
That and apparently LE must have thought he kidnapped her to begin With and probably just had no proof.
Oh man @Heroine , reading this is making me flip-flop on my theory. It's very good point.
For all we know FH could have worked at the TR. PH might have gone outside to smoke a cig and he could have been taking a cig break also. They stand there smoking/talking and he grabs her. Purely speculation on my part.
 
I have been trying to figure out how far the bar was from McClain st it seems I’m not familiar with AL because I have google mapped 31 minutes and then another McClain st over an hour away lol either way that would make up for the time that she left til she sent the text or closer to the time the text was sent which makes more sense considering it’s then when she realizes she may be in danger cuz she didn’t know where she was.
Edited to add that for whatever reason I whole heartedly feel PH sent that text. And if she knew drugs were involved or anywhere around her that would also explain why she didn’t text her parents or family she wouldn’t want them to know she was around drugs or in a situation like that. I’m sure she never thought she would die.
Also one other thing... according to things I have read her ID was home so maybe she wasn’t drinking at Tin roof which may be why she wanted to leave. I wouldn’t want to be at a bar and unable to drink.
Where did you get the info that her ID was at home? If that was the case, how did she even get into the bar?
 
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Ugh Lumberton...fly high dear Hania (rip Nov 2018).

Senseless crime and unexpected, a most unexpected and extremely unlikely kidnapping location, imo, the safety of family vehicle in the am family home driveway, waiting shortly to be driven to school! A very sad and brutal ending for Hania.

Another infamous crime in region: James R. Jordan Sr., 57, (Basketball Legend MJ's father), was fatally shot in the chest while napping in his red Lexus sedan on the shoulder of U.S. 74, just outside of Lumberton, in the early hours of July 23, 1993. His body was found 11 days later, across the state line in a South Carolina creek. Several males from Lumberton, late teens-early 20s, surrounded him, killed him for materialistic needs only, robbery. This is not an area to use as a rest stop, imo.

I was hoping to sleuth the case, but there is nothing official released from LE. But, the you tube updates and with the you tuber gaining access to official autopsy reports of the 3 women found dead, it would seem as if a press conference would be imminent! Nothing but crickets, silence. Ughhh, frustrating! Imo.
 
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I just don't know why, but I do not believe PH willingly left with anyone but her friends she went to the club with. Now they could ALL have left with two males and they ALL could have been with PH and FH the night of the 20th and the morning of the 21st. But PH did not go alone with two males without others.


Really!?

I personally have never just left a bar with a guy, but almost everyone I was friends with when I was younger did at one point or another. It's not exceptionally unusual behavior, even if it's somewhat risky behavior.

We still do not know if PH and FH, and/or the mysterious HSBM knew each other prior. IF she knew any of the guys, even casually, I find it very easy to believe she left willingly with them.

Now, the extent at whether she was willing or consented to anything that happened after, we may never know.
 
Here is Lumberton, NC crime rate. Would you consider Brighton, Birmingham, and Hueytown similar in violent and deadly crime rates, you having previously lived or owned properties in those locations?

@TheExperience ok I googled it to compare;
Brighton has a population under 3,000 people. far more dangerous once you break it down. Lumberton murders 2015: 36.8 per 100k/ Brighton 2015 murders: 209 per 100k for example. Lumberton has 4.2 police per 1000 people, whereas Brighton has 1.8 police per 1000.
The overall crime statistics show similar rates of crime, but not once you look at the breakdown by violence. Its a bit unnerving to see regular faces but know they might slit your throat for a HOPE that you got $20 in your pocket. Verses perhaps not seeing the same faces or knowing whats going on in a 100k size city so therefore you still have HOPE theres a bunch of good people walking around. Bessemer is bad but not as bad as Brighton, yes worse than Lumberton. Hueytown isnt so bad, except maybe first 10 blocks in or so which border Bessemer/Brighton/Lipscome. However my friend in Hueytown has discovered at least 2 bodies murdered, and lost 3 of his friends to murder just in the 2 years i was there. Birmingham has plenty of wonderful areas but like any bigger city has crime. Of Course no one from any low income area is going to plan a burglary with nice payout anywhere but a nice area... except for any copper or A/C units outside or under houses in the bad areas.
 
What's the reason for such a high clime rate in that area?

I believe Drugs and Poverty. The houses look similar, imo, to the 2 shown so far from this case. Also, crime and prostitution, seems to be a common acceptance from generation to generation. Imo, for someone to have a better life, escaping the area, even with family ties, would seem necessary, to avoid becoming a victim or a criminal. jmo

I have been trying to get a feel of how PH felt being driven to what I am suspecting would be a similar region to that of Lumberton's region.

Another question for the area insider, is street walkers, not online workers. Lumberton, NC still has many street walkers, who use extensively. Are there streetwalkers out in the open in those 3 areas of Alabama?

I ask, because if so, I feel if someone were to be a premeditated predator or even one by chance, crossing a vulnerable woman, these women would be easier targets, sadly, and less likely to be missed immediately, with less media coverage and care to solve as in PH's case.

In the Lumberton case, the most ominous findings imo, and my opinion by reading some comments, that the missing one had more media attention because she was prettier, etc.

But, the 3rd missing girl, imo, was extremely pretty naturally, seemed sweet, AND she was speaking to media about knowing one of the missing girls on camera, and not long after, she was found dead, I believe in a trashcan!

The other, ominous finding, is the first initial article about the girl found in the trap house, was reported by a female LE officer who commented it was one of the most gruesome and disturbing crime scenes she has been to. Her accounts did not measure up to what the public was being told in updates, by other LE officials. Thus, making the case and investigation very fishy and frustrating, imo. Plus the lack of media coverage or care.
 
Glad you moved! It's strange though, SOs do tend to live in "clumps." I live in a historical district in an urban area. We have million elated to those folks. Possibly whatever program those homes are running is working??
That is just gentrification. Most cities at one time had the wealthy nearest the center so had the big beautiful homes. Then they moved outside that area fell & poor mived in & duplexed those houses or similar. Then out struggling middle class 25 years ago moved back in, rehabbed many homes brought them back grand & gorgeous, but other poorer families who had been there in that decline stay so you often will find ateas overlapping. I would guess you dont have problems because halfway houses or homeless type shelters have strict riles in order to keep thei funding they are given.
What's the reason for such a high clime rate in that area?
@lmr Crack/drugs & no services. The house next to the firehouse burned down for example.
 
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