Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[Sabex]

As far as I know, no one has been alleged to have loaded the gun except the armorer. And while there a lot of safety violations and breakdowns, one fact rises above the others for me: somehow, the armorer loaded a live round into that revolver.

This sounds more open and shut than I thought it was then.

If the armourer loaded the live round into weapon, then the armourer is ultimately, and doubly responsible.

MOO

 

[PrairieWind]

This sounds more open and shut than I thought it was then.

If the armourer loaded the live round into weapon, then the armourer is ultimately, and doubly responsible.

MOO

I think the armorer is the only one that could face criminal charges. Plenty others could also have some civil liability of varying degrees.

 

[ilovewings]

I think the armorer is the only one that could face criminal charges. Plenty others could also have some civil liability of varying degrees.

As well she should, as far as I can tell.

 

[PrairieWind]

As well she should, as far as I can tell.

I think it certainly could be minimum of criminal negligent manslaughter or whatever the New Mexico equivalent is. But it is also possible that the prosecutor may forego any criminal charges. Even if somehow live rounds got mixed in with dummy rounds in the delivered ammo boxes, it is HER job to look at each round before it is loaded. She should have noticed.

 

[IceIce9]

As far as I know, no one has been alleged to have loaded the gun except the armorer. And while there a lot of safety violations and breakdowns, one fact rises above the others for me: somehow, the armorer loaded a live round into that revolver.

That is why I have maintained that although other mistakes were made, the tragedy wouldn’t have occurred if the armourer had done her job and not loaded a live round into the revolver.

So many people have a hatred for Baldwin that he has become an easy target. Not to mention he has the deepest pockets.

If the armourer had performed her job properly there would have been no live round, there would have been no tragedy.

 

[GatorFL]

Because my husband has worked in the film industry for over 25 years and I have personally been on many sets.

Cool. My friend has been there a long time as well.

 

[GatorFL]

I think the armorer is the only one that could face criminal charges. Plenty others could also have some civil liability of varying degrees.

I found her lawsuit against the ammo supplier to be dumb. She should know the difference between live and dummy rounds.

All the dummy rounds I have ever seen have a hole in the side of them and they are filled with BB's. I was made aware after this tragedy some gun shops make them without the hole and BB's and that's just a terrible idea.

 

[PrairieWind]

I found her lawsuit against the ammo supplier to be dumb. She should know the difference between live and dummy rounds.

All the dummy rounds I have ever seen have a hole in the side of them and they are filled with BB's. I was made aware after this tragedy some gun shops make them without the hole and BB's and that's just a terrible idea.

A suit against the supplier is clearly meant to deflect fault. from a legal standpoint I don't think it should be successful in regards to the death. It was Reed's job to know the difference. If the supplier did supply live ammo, that is more of a contractual suit, but could probably survive and stay in court on a negligence cause of action.
If a manufacturer did make dummies without a hole or bbs, it shouldn't have resulted in an accidental shooting. An armorer should have seen no hole or no bb's and not used it. The info available so far tells me that Reed just loaded the pistol without paying attention to the ammo. Her most important task and she blew it. When you look at the interviews she had with LE right after the shooting, she is distraught, talking about the end of her career etc, that he was "f___ed." I think she knew she had blown it. It doesn't matter where the live rounds came from. She loaded them into the pistol.

 

[Luna20]

Alec Baldwin is sued for $25m by family of Marine killed in Kabul

It is the third time the family of Rylee McCollum, the fallen soldier, has attempted to take action against the star. Previous attempts have been dismissed due to errors in the filing process.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[mickey2942]

I think that the problem with making the armorer responsible for this tragedy is that there are too many instances where the gun was out of her direct control.

Good grief! I have never seen such lax security. She shared a safe...she left the gun on a table during lunch, Dave Halls had the gun in his possession, Alex Baldwin had the gun...there is plenty of opportunity to say someone else placed a live round in the gun.

Unfortunately, this is not a game of "Clue", and someone died as a result.

We have not been able to see beyond MSM headlines. But I wonder if someone did notice this lax security, and took advantage of a window of opportunity to create more problems on a set, already full of problems.

 

[BeachSky]

AB should have kept his yapper shut.
He and that attention seeking side kick.
Out of respect just shut it. Zip it. Instead of trying to control the narrative. If he lost jobs or friends or opportunity it’s because he showed his true self serving colors.

JMO

 

[ilovewings]

AB should have kept his yapper shut.
He and that attention seeking side kick.
Out of respect just shut it. Zip it. Instead of trying to control the narrative. If he lost jobs or friends or opportunity it’s because he showed his true self serving colors.

JMO

He just cannot shut it: his ego won't let him I guess

 

[PrairieWind]

AB should have kept his yapper shut.
He and that attention seeking side kick.
Out of respect just shut it. Zip it. Instead of trying to control the narrative. If he lost jobs or friends or opportunity it’s because he showed his true self serving colors.

JMO

I agree. his comments and actions after are appalling. He should have been much more respectful. Instead his arrogance came through.

 

[PrairieWind]

I think that the problem with making the armorer responsible for this tragedy is that there are too many instances where the gun was out of her direct control.

Good grief! I have never seen such lax security. She shared a safe...she left the gun on a table during lunch, Dave Halls had the gun in his possession, Alex Baldwin had the gun...there is plenty of opportunity to say someone else placed a live round in the gun.

Unfortunately, this is not a game of "Clue", and someone died as a result.

We have not been able to see beyond MSM headlines. But I wonder if someone did notice this lax security, and took advantage of a window of opportunity to create more problems on a set, already full of problems.

the issue is that it was HER job to make sure those things didn't happen. But she was young and inexperienced and didn't want to cause problems. She kept her fingers crossed that nothing bad would happen. But it did.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Latest:

‘Rust’ Producer Denies Liability Over Shooting, Says It Wasn’t an Employer

Rust Movie Productions argues in an appeal to a New Mexico safety agency's fine that gun supervision was the sole responsibility of armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[IceIce9]

the issue is that it was HER job to make sure those things didn't happen. But she was young and inexperienced and didn't want to cause problems. She kept her fingers crossed that nothing bad would happen. But it did.

So many people dislike Alec Baldwin, that MOO it was easy to jump on him with the major share of blame.

I just wonder how public opinion would trend if the actor involved was either relatively unknown, or an extremely popular actor or actress.

JMO

 

[cocomod]

Latest:

‘Rust’ Producer Denies Liability Over Shooting, Says It Wasn’t an Employer

Rust Movie Productions argues in an appeal to a New Mexico safety agency's fine that gun supervision was the sole responsibility of armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

We knew this was coming, but the producers do share in the liability. They were not listening to safety concerns. I do think the armorer shoulders a great deal of responsibility, but these producers are known to cut corners.

From the article:
In April, New Mexico Environment Department’s Occupational Health and Safety Bureau issued the highest level citation and maximum fine allowable by state law of $136,793 for numerous violations of safety protocols on the set of Rust. It found that the production company demonstrated a “plain indifference” to the welfare of cast and crew, pointing to the introduction of live ammunition and a failure to train crew on how to properly handle firearms.

When my husband (medic) is hired on a production, he is paid by a payroll company, but he has a contract with the producers of the show. They negotiate his rate of pay and his duties. An independent contractor would not have hours dictated by the show; and they would not be paid by payroll, but rather a 1099 employee.

 

[PrairieWind]

We knew this was coming, but the producers do share in the liability. They were not listening to safety concerns. I do think the armorer shoulders a great deal of responsibility, but these producers are known to cut corners.

From the article:
In April, New Mexico Environment Department’s Occupational Health and Safety Bureau issued the highest level citation and maximum fine allowable by state law of $136,793 for numerous violations of safety protocols on the set of Rust. It found that the production company demonstrated a “plain indifference” to the welfare of cast and crew, pointing to the introduction of live ammunition and a failure to train crew on how to properly handle firearms.

When my husband (medic) is hired on a production, he is paid by a payroll company, but he has a contract with the producers of the show. They negotiate his rate of pay and his duties. An independent contractor would not have hours dictated by the show; and they would not be paid by payroll, but rather a 1099 employee.

Certainly not a surprise that the company would claim she is a contractor and not an employee. There are a lot of factors that go into that determination and it varies a lot from state to state. How a contract defines the relationship is considered, as well as how a person is paid. But the control factor is probably the most important. I don't know enough about how things ran on the set to even make a guess as to whether their claim has any merit or not.

 

[neesaki]

Alec Baldwin is sued for $25m by family of Marine killed in Kabul

It is the third time the family of Rylee McCollum, the fallen soldier, has attempted to take action against the star. Previous attempts have been dismissed due to errors in the filing process.

www.dailymail.co.uk

AB is such a big mouthed bully. He needs to stay off SM and stop talking. Indefinitely.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Another ruling, as the cases drag on:

‘Rust’ Script Supervisor’s Assault And Battery Suit Stripped Down By Judge; Alec Baldwin Seen As Responsible For On-Set Shooting

Only Alec Baldwin is primarily responsible for the firing of the loaded gun on the Rust set last year that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled Friday. &…

deadline.com