Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

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Ceska said:
I doubt a jury would convict him. He was handed a gun proclaimed cold, on the other hand the firearms specialist obviously did not check the gun. As far as I know Baldwin did not bring the gun to the set, that would be the job of the armorer. That's what they pay the prop handlers for. They need to find out who put live rounds in the gun.
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mickey2942 said:

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Personally, if I was AB, quick plea deal, move on....but, he will probably tantrum, and want a trial.
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Halls entered a plea deal. You would think that the prosecutor already offered deals to Baldwin and Gutierrez, and they declined. Not to say this can't change. Just a guess. JMO.
 
The charges filed really boils down to this statement:

Special Prosecutor Reeb:
“If any one of these three people—Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed or David Halls—had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today. It’s that simple"

All three were ( IMO ) willingly negligent in following safety protocols and procedures, costing HH her life.
 
DI_Isokawa said:
As far as we know (big disclaimer) the live rounds were quarter or half charge, hand loaded training rounds identical to those made by an associate of the supplier of dummy rounds to the film. They were made to train actors on an earlier, unrelated film and leftovers were passed around in the local community of prop weapons suppliers. By a process no one has publicly explained, it appears that some of those training rounds got mixed in with the dummy rounds and nobody caught it.

To my knowledge no one has asserted that any of the live rounds were full charge factory ammunition or has put forth an alternate explanation of who produced them.
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No, they found 5 actual live bullets.

Hannah Reed's father has said that he believes Seth Kenney (gun rental agent and purveyor of ammo to Rust) had acquired those live rounds just before the filming begin, to use on a set that he (Reed) was working on. The live rounds were taken to a real gun range so that the actors on that other set could get the feel of gun recoil, etc.

Reed said that Kenney had a military style canister of ammo, and that later, that same canister appeared on the set of Rust. He believes that Kenney mixed up live and half round and blank, somehow (must have been live round and blank, as they didn't need many half rounds).

At any rate, if you do have a link for those other rounds being quarter or half, I'd love to see it. The bullet that went through Halyna's body and into the director was a full round. LE said they picked up 5 more live rounds, from the ground. There were casings and bullets lying around. I don't know if LE is meaning just casings but they said "live rounds" to the media.
 
mickey2942 said:

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Personally, if I was AB, quick plea deal, move on....but, he will probably tantrum, and want a trial.
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Of course - just like Dave Hall did. But nope, Alec can't ever admit he's wrong. He truly believes he's in the right here. What a nightmare client for his attorneys.

Chelly said:
Do you think he would fare better with a Santa Fe jury trial? Seriously interested.
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I don't think so. I believe the people have Santa Fe think they have their own problems and do not want or need to spend money on actors and their criminal shenanigans. Alec is likely viewed as a big spending and pompous, He's draining their local LE coffers (and has done so for over a year).

There will be no warm sympathy or fandom for Alec in Santa Fe (a county of only 150,000 independently minded people - having lived in the area for a while, I don't think I've ever met as many independent minded, common sensical people with such diverse views and lifestyle - but they are all going to come together as Santa Fe vs Alec Baldwin).

IMO.

Oh, frabjous day! I really want justice for Halyna Hutchins and her family.
 
That special AB did, that made him look like the victim, is going to nail him. He made more "mis statements" and "embellishments" during that show...and it is all evidence. Or rather, prosecution gravy train!
 
mickey2942 said:

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Personally, if I was AB, quick plea deal, move on....but, he will probably tantrum, and want a trial.
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If there is documentation that he was supposed to follow a specific protocol or procedure when handling a gun, and he didn't, that is liability right there.
That could be civil liability, not criminal.
 
PrairieWind said:
If there is documentation that he was supposed to follow a specific protocol or procedure when handling a gun, and he didn't, that is liability right there.

That could be civil liability, not criminal.
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I'm not so sure about that. Sounds like under the first charge, simple negligence may be enough. BBM.

"In a statement issued by the district attorney, Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed will be "charged in the alternative." That means a jury would decide not if they were just guilty, but under which definition of involuntary manslaughter they were guilty.

The first charge of involuntary manslaughter must be proved that there was underlying negligence. New Mexico state laws mark this charge of involuntary manslaughter as a fourth-degree felony with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. The DA says this charge also includes a misdemeanor charge of negligent use of a firearm and could merge together.

The second charge is involuntary manslaughter in the commission of an unlawful act. This charge must prove there was more than simple negligence involved in a death. This second charge is also punishable with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. This particular charge includes a firearm enhancement, which means there's an added penalty that is mandatory because a firearm was involved. The enhancement includes a mandatory five years in jail."

www.koat.com

How much jail time could Alec Baldwin face for involuntary manslaughter?

Alec Baldwin has been indicted on involuntary manslaughter. Here's how much jail time he could face.
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On Twitter and elsewhere throughout this year, Alec’s common response to criticism about the shootings has been that the DA is the arbiter of the truth and since they hadn’t charged him, he wasn’t responsible. He said he knew who was responsible, and it wasn’t him.

It seemed so simple from the very beginning to me: whomever loaded, passed and shot the gun were responsible for what ultimately happened.

The mystery to me is why Halyna’s widower agreed to participate with completing the movie, except that it gives him some control over Halyna’s final project.
 
PrairieWind said:
This is interesting to me. Of course we don't know all the evidence the DA has, but as a criminal defense attorney, I see lots of holes here.
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I see the defense poking holes as well. I too am NOT a fan of AB at all. But, this isn't like a home shooting where a live gun and a live round exist and were inadvertently shot. This is a movie set where the actors think of these guns as "play" guns. They don't treat them as a real gun - which may not be right either! This is the movie industry. They play make-believe every day! However, he was handed a gun that he was told could NOT harm anyone. I think David Hall held more responsibility. I wonder if the DA is trying to appease the public. I do hope that Hollywood is listening and takes some action to change their policies regarding gun usage in movies!

I have wondered if there were any recorded moments of this day.
 
I'm surprised that SK has not been charged. Initially they said they were considering charging 4 people, I assumed he was the 4th but we don't know.

IMO
 
clearskies1 said:
Halls entered a plea deal. You would think that the prosecutor already offered deals to Baldwin and Gutierrez, and they declined. Not to say this can't change. Just a guess. JMO.
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Wasn't Halls the one who handed him the gun and told him it had no live rounds in it? Apparently he didn't check the gun, either. No wonder he made a plea deal.
 
cocomod said:
I see the defense poking holes as well. I too am NOT a fan of AB at all. But, this isn't like a home shooting where a live gun and a live round exist and were inadvertently shot. This is a movie set where the actors think of these guns as "play" guns. They don't treat them as a real gun - which may not be right either! This is the movie industry. They play make-believe every day! However, he was handed a gun that he was told could NOT harm anyone. I think David Hall held more responsibility. I wonder if the DA is trying to appease the public. I do hope that Hollywood is listening and takes some action to change their policies regarding gun usage in movies!

I have wondered if there were any recorded moments of this day.
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Let's see what Halls says under oath at a trial. Per the FBI, the gun would not go off unless someone pulled the trigger. Would you rely on what an Assistant Director (not an armorer) tells you about a gun? JMO.
 
mickey2942 said:
That special AB did, that made him look like the victim, is going to nail him. He made more "mis statements" and "embellishments" during that show...and it is all evidence. Or rather, prosecution gravy train!
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What were the misstatements? I didn't see the entire interview.
 
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