All About Chloroform #3

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Methyl chloroform, also called l,l,l-trichloroethane, which will be phased out by 1996, is a very widely-used solvent found in products such as automobile brake cleaners (often sold as aerosol sprays) and spot removers used to take greasy stains off fabrics. Replacing methyl chloroform in workplace and consumer products will lead to changes in many products and processes.

ETA - Doesn't sound like something that would be helpful in tattooing!

Keep in mind, this is an ingredient in, not pure chloroform!

http://www.sciencemaster.com/jump/physical/ozone.php
 
decomposition = hamburger, pizza, trash
chloroform = chlorine, fabreeze, fabric sheets, wet bathing suit

Does anything stick? Best to throw it all out there...You never know...

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Chloroform

Chloroform is a colorless liquid at room temperature and is very volatile. Characterized as having a heavy sweet odor somewhat like ether, chloroform is actually sweeter than cane sugar. Chloroform cannot mix well with water. Like salad oil in water, chloroform separates into a layer. However, it does mix well with other hydrocarbons, so one of its uses is as a solvent or cleaner to dissolve other organic substances like gums, waxes, resins, and fats. Also, chloroform is used in the industrial synthesis of the non-stick coating called Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene), which is an organic polymer. However, in the past, the primary use for chloroform was as a general anesthetic.
 
Chloroform

Chloroform is a colorless liquid at room temperature and is very volatile. Characterized as having a heavy sweet odor somewhat like ether, chloroform is actually sweeter than cane sugar. Chloroform cannot mix well with water. Like salad oil in water, chloroform separates into a layer. However, it does mix well with other hydrocarbons, so one of its uses is as a solvent or cleaner to dissolve other organic substances like gums, waxes, resins, and fats. Also, chloroform is used in the industrial synthesis of the non-stick coating called Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene), which is an organic polymer. However, in the past, the primary use for chloroform was as a general anesthetic.

Thanks, but we already know it's a solvent. You specifically stated that you know that mechanics and tattoo parlors use chloroform. I think you're mistaken.
 
Thanks, but we already know it's a solvent. You specifically stated that you know that mechanics and tattoo parlors use chloroform. I think you're mistaken.

I'm done. No use fighting.
 
I'm done. No use fighting.

It's like saying someone could steal ammonium lauryl sulfate from my bathroom because it's one of the ingredients in my shampoo.
 
Figured we could look at this to help out a bit, even though I am not on the "drowning" train, never hurts to go back and sleuth a little more....gotta get Googling on these chems:

http://www.poolquip.com.au/msds/Baquacil.pdf

Thanks, Just Jayla! Straight from the MSDS:

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From the U.S. Dept of Labor Occupational Safety and Health Guideline for Chloroform

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chloroform/recognition.html


The following operations may involve chloroform and lead to worker exposures to this substance:

The manufacture and transportation of chloroform (BBM and RBBM)

Used in manufacture of fluorocarbons (especially chlorodifluoromethane) for refrigerants and aerosol propellants; used in fire extinguishers to lower the freezing temperature of carbon tetrachloride; used in manufacture of fluorocarbon resins, tribromomethane, plastics, and thermally stable polymers; used in the manufacture of artificial silk, floor polishes, dyes, and pesticides Used as an extractant solvent in manufacture of rubber, essential oils, sterols and alkaloids, guttapercha, resins, and in the recovery of fat from waste products
Used in chemical analysis and assays; and in photographic processing
Used as a general solvent of lacquers plastics, dyes, fats, greases, gums, oils, adhesives, and waxes, and in the rubber cleaning and dry cleaning industries
Prior use as an anesthetic has been discontinued and uses in human drugs and cosmetics are now limited to use as a process solvent for final products that contain only residual amounts of chloroform
Used as a fumigant for soil, a mildewicide for tobacco seedlings, a grain fumigant for various stored dry grains, and as an insecticide

BBM (the mildewicide part). I wonder if chloroform is used a mildewicide for Marijuana?? That would be interesting, eh?

Way back in this thread somewhere (I think it was this one, anyhow) I said something about chloroform possibly being in insecticide and ICA using it to kill bugs in the trunk that were attracted to the decomp. As for photo-processing, ICA did used to work at a place that processed photos, didn't she? But that was way back in 2004, I think. If she obtained chloroform from there, it would probably be OLD and inactive. I do believe if she had chloroform, that she probably stole it from someone or some place. I just don't know where.

After hearing the FBI chemist today, though, I am starting to lean towards the chloroform just being there from industrial cleaning products, such as one might find in a shop vac/ car vac. I think Dr. Vass is awesome, but I trust the FBI chemist a bit more.
 
All I know is what I know....Three years ago, it was said that occupations thst used chloroform were mechanics/machinists and tattooists.
 
Thanks, Just Jayla! Straight from the MSDS:

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I am certain Valhall and some of our chemist-types went through this, but it could be timely here again. I will check the forum and continue on to see what the world wide web has to offer on the subject of chloroform and the chemicals in Baquacil.
 
Also wondering, if Caylee had a Chlorine or Polymeric Biguanide Hydrochloride product in her body in such high levels as to possibly off-gas so much chloroform, wouldn't those chemicals also tend to inhibit the growth of bacteria, thus prolonging decomposition? From what we know, was Caylee's rate of decomp considered to be faster or slower than "normal" for the conditions she was in?

Made myself dizzy...
 
Also wondering, if Caylee had a Chlorine or Polymeric Biguanide Hydrochloride product in her body in such high levels as to possibly off-gas so much chloroform, wouldn't those chemicals also tend to inhibit the growth of bacteria, thus prolonging decomposition? From what we know, was Caylee's rate of decomp considered to be faster or slower than "normal" for the conditions she was in?

Made myself dizzy...

I think Dr. Vass said it would be faster in the heat. Decomp slows in cold weather.

Oh, wait...I get what you're asking. Did she decompose faster or slower than expected for conditions? I guess we'll never know. She was found so long after being dumped. :(
 
All I know is what I know....Three years ago, it was said that occupations thst used chloroform were mechanics/machinists and tattooists.

All I know is that three years ago someone was wrong.
 

So AV says the chloroform level was shockingly high.
The FBI chemist says it was not shockingly high. He was talking about the residue he found in the carpet sample. So if chloroform is heavier than air and settles to the ground/floor/or in this case trunk carpet, shouldn't the levels be even higher than shockingly high if Dr. V is correct?

I am probably totally confused about this, which wouldn't be surprising. It just seems to me that something is off about the whole chloroform thing.

It also seems that Dr. V and the FBI chemist seem to have contradictory opinions. I think they are talking about two different things, since one is talking about an air sample (taken from a carpet sample), and the other is talking about a carpet sample. Just the same, it doesn't seem possible that they are both correct. Color me confused.

As always my entire post is my opinion only
 
Elini177, I agree, I can't imagine her putting that kind of effort into it either. So where did it come from?.

I have no idea where KC would have acquired the stuff and HONESTLY, I don't think she used it or acquired it or even attempted to make at home.

I'm starting to feel like this chloroform issue may be a red herring.

"Expert #1" = AV: says very new technology measured chloroform at shockingly high levels.
"Expert #2" = FBI: said the tired and true technology measured the chloroform levels at normal or very low.

I'm with thedeviledadvocate: If chloroform is heavier than air and it settled in the carpet, the levels in the carpet should have been just as SHOCKINGLY HIGH as the air sample...and the fact that the SCIENCE said it wasn't means this new method of testing air is NOT a reliable method.

Sorry folks...I'm going to place my money with the FBI Chemist and the tried and true technology.
 
I have no idea where KC would have acquired the stuff and HONESTLY, I don't think she used it or acquired it or even attempted to make at home.

I'm starting to feel like this chloroform may be a red herring.

"Expert #1" = AV: says very new technology measured chloroform at shockingly high levels.
"Expert #2" = FBI: said the tired and true technology measured the chloroform levels at normal or very low.

I'm with thedeviledadvocate: If chloroform is heavier than air and it settled in the carpet, the levels in the carpet should have been just as SHOCKINGLY HIGH as the air sample...so

Sorry folks...I'm going to place my money with the FBI Chemist and the tried and true technology.

What I understood ,is that ,for what Dr. Vass usually sees and/or looks for ,the levels would be considered shockingingly high.
For what the FBI expert usually sees/and or looks for ,the levels were considered normal.

My Primary care physician saw 100 patients this week and 3 tested positive for Rheumatoid Arthritis.That was shockingly high.

My Rheumatologist saw 100 patients this week and 3 tested positive for Rheumatoid Arthritis.That was normal to low .

It's all relative .Dr.Vass is a Forensic Anthropoligist dealing with decomposing bodies. From that perspective ,it was high.
 
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