Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #44

[Chief of Funtime]

I have come to the conclusion that there may be some doubt but none of it is reasonable . He has lied himself into a corner and there's no way out .IMO

 

[spratsmum]

I just looked once more through GBC phone records - according to the bill he never called Allison's number again after 7.58 am on Friday 20th of April. I would have tried again and again to see if she picked up later on. I would have called it in those darks moments when I needed to hear her voice - I wouldn't have given up as soon as the police arrived - unless I knew it was pointless.

 

[BJsleuth]

I do not think GBC had the guts to borrow from/deal with 'dodgies' or leg breakers.

However....This could be the story he has given to her.
Remember he lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies.

He lied to Allison, to TM and the others, to his partners, his backers, his children, his friends...actually to everyone.

Why would he not lie to OW ?

Good point Zim. It occurred to me whilst reading about the debt due by the end of June and his defences claim he was going to be able to make the payments.

 

[spratsmum]

"The defendant told his sister Olivia Walton of the deceased's walking route at about 6:30am on 20 April 2012."

Taken from the charge sheet.

I know we have gone over this ad nauseum, but it is insane to think he was worried about Allison at 6:30am! Why on earth would his sister be there and why would he be going over Allison's walking route at 6:30am? Wayyyyy too early for anyone to be concerned IMO.

There is so much about that morning that is still a mystery - the girls and Olivia, NBC, his quick actions and his seeming lack of emotion. I must say though in the photos the next day he doesn;t like as if he has lost much sleep or is too distraught. It seems so simple, he must be guilty, so why did it take the police so long to arrest him, and why haven't they arrested anyone else, someone else has to have been involved at least after Allison's murder.

 

[BJsleuth]

"The defendant told his sister Olivia Walton of the deceased's walking route at about 6:30am on 20 April 2012."

Taken from the charge sheet.

I know we have gone over this ad nauseum, but it is insane to think he was worried about Allison at 6:30am! Why on earth would his sister be there and why would he be going over Allison's walking route at 6:30am? Wayyyyy too early for anyone to be concerned IMO.

The phone records show he didn't call her until later and his interview he specifically said he called her over to take the kids to school but he also says he and OW went looking for A.

 

[possumheart]

If Allison was anything like my sister she probably shrunk the crap out of her clothes with hot water and the tumble dryer

 

[Chief of Funtime]

The phone records show he didn't call her until later and his interview he specifically said he called her over to take the kids to school but he also says he and OW went looking for A.

Where's the time and motion expert ? Do we still call them that ? We need these times and motions sorted . I can't get my head around these calls etc

 

[BJsleuth]

Where's the time and motion expert ? Do we still call them that ? We need these times and motions sorted . I can't get my head around these calls etc

I agree, it's difficult. I think there's another name for them but it escapes me right now. I'll have another look when I'm more awake.

 

[Ooohm]

Last few days I have been astonished and also chuffed to see the court documents made available to our forum. Thank you to Websleuths and to those who laid out their own money to purchase the docs. Generosity all around.

 

[Hillsdon]

I agree, it's difficult. I think there's another name for them but it escapes me right now. I'll have another look when I'm more awake.

Bjsleuth, love the rope analogy at the bottom of your page.

 

[Hillsdon]

From bjsleuth____
"Circumstantial evidence may be compared to rope, a thick piece of cord made up of a number of strands of fibre. Not one of those strands alone may have very much strength, but when those strands are taken together the strength of the rope may be very great." - Justice Hunt, trial of Ivan Milat.

 

[GEANIE]

If Allison was anything like my sister she probably shrunk the crap out of her clothes with hot water and the tumble dryer

The baggy clothes doesn't gel with me at all.
Perhaps someone who saw Allison pick the girls up from school from time to time might be able to give us some insight as to what sort of things she wore.

Like tracky dacks, and loose sloopy Jo type of things, or was she mainly in work clobber from work or jeans etc.

Her best friend would know what Allison considered comfy to wear at home on a night off. I'd be in the Launa Jane gear trying to impress GBC for what it was worth....with the new hair.
I'm 58 years old and a size ten and no way on gods earth would I wear xxl anything baggy net alone buy garment that size.

I'd love to know what Allison was wearing at the hairdressers, and did she shower before the appointment.....What I'm trying to say is this.....She's said to the hairdresser I'm having the night/day off so it could well be that she was in her version of comfy clothes then....no need to change when she got home before going to bed.

My head knows what I'm trying to say but it gets confused by the time my fingers hit the keyboard.......

Someone said earlier post can you imagine Allison power walking hitching up the xxl pants.......I had a chuckle at the thought of that....OOPs there go my pants again......Opps there they go again...I must remember to wear my Launa Jane's next time......and I can't find my phone to reply to GBC's endearing text messages cause I'm sooooo busy keeping my pants up....

Walking in xxl my fat *advertiser censored*...make that my skinny *advertiser censored*!!!!!!:fence::banghead:

 

[Pseudonym]

Early on in the case , I vaguely recall police asking local shopkeepers about gloves that they stocked . Did I dream that ?????

 

[Hbayne]

Early on in the case , I vaguely recall police asking local shopkeepers about gloves that they stocked . Did I dream that ?????

Rings a bell with me too

 

[Fuskier]

For local web sleuthers who live in the Brookfield area, there will be a memorial 'walk of grief' for Allison Baden-Clay on 20th April starting at 4.00am in the morning from Kholo bridge to Allison's house. A Brookfield local has offered parking on his property. Check local area for details.

 

[ozazure]

The home life of the Baden-Clay's sounds awful. From the field signals to "couch time", Allison's attempts to monitor GBC almost futile given his career and appetites, potential exclusion from an interstate holiday, the possibility that GBC did do a lot of parenting (as reported to Toni from him so who really knows) at odds with his philandering and subdued children (bwana/master of the household model??). I think it might have burned his chops to have to parent the kids "right". The stuff that's not visible to others like being on school committees and going to events. It made me sad to read Toni's description of the house, it is congruent with the drab real estate photos. Even with the recent down times you think by their 40's they'd have some "nice things", the idea that Allison either wasn't interested or able to fluff the nest makes me really sad for her. Most women I know make efforts in that regard whatever the income and the two I think of who don't, one seems like they've always been depressed and the other has a partner very controlling of the space in the home (hoarder tendencies). I almost hope it was her depression that caused it versus being prevented.

 

[ozazure]

Regarding the clothes, I didn't find the style of the size of them of any surprise at all. XL or even XXL in mainstream shops is more like a slimfit 16 or 18. There aren't many pictures of Allison's full body but I don't think she was a size 10.

 

[Fuskier]

Allison wouldn’t have wanted anybody to think she failed at anything,” Mrs Walker said.
“She wanted that appearance that things were good. She always looked good, whether she felt bad on the inside, she always looked good.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...to-them-for-help/story-e6freoof-1226346776019

Agreed Amee. General discussion about clothes and what other people do is one thing, but to attribute it to Allison is another. We are talking about Allison Baden-Clay here and it was not her style. Thanks for posting this from the courier mail article to remind us all. The clothes she was found wearing did not fit her usual style IMO.

 

[Sor Juana]

I don't think that she would have looked after her appearance that much, if she was going through one of her depressed staged, which I think she was at that point in time (recent increase of Zoloft dose, feeling insecure about him and wondering what he is doing in the back of the car the day before, etc.) The hairdressers visit was to be presentable for the conference the following day, but the hairdresser also stated she had large re-growth indicating she didn't care that much about it just before). IMO.

Sadly, I suspect poor Allison simply could not afford regular hair trims.

 

[Fuskier]

The home life of the Baden-Clay's sounds awful... <respectfully snipped>... Even with the recent down times you think by their 40's they'd have some "nice things", the idea that Allison either wasn't interested or able to fluff the nest makes me really sad for her. Most women I know make efforts in that regard whatever the income and the two I think of who don't, one seems like they've always been depressed and the other has a partner very controlling of the space in the home (hoarder tendencies). I almost hope it was her depression that caused it versus being prevented.

Ozazure, did you ever see first-hand how Allison Baden-Clay kept house when she was alive? Did you ever step into her house? Is your speculation drawn from the only photos of the inside of that house by the real estate company trying to re-rent it? Those comments seem disparaging and Allison is not here to defend herself, so IMO there are unjustified. We can only go on MSM articles and Court statements from family and friends which state that those 3 little girls were always well cared for and that is important.

Your comment posted above: "Allison's attempts to monitor GBC almost futile...". How do you know this? GBC's comments about the phone app is that your source? IMO we don't know enough about this yet, we only have MSM and the Court statements available to sleuth from. For all we know GBC could have been referring to someone else, possibly one his mistresses even, say one who was particularly obsessed with him. Its also possible that he may have been a little paranoid or wanting to cover his tracks, so nobody would be able to 'follow' him. It appears that he had compartmentalised his activities; he wanted to be in control of them IMHO. Allegedly, he was part of a surveillance company (cited by Makara in earlier threads) and would most likely know more about this than the general population. But to attribute those comments to Allison, as if they are fact, is unjustified IMO.