Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #45

[SydneySleuth]

IF some random person did abduct and murder Allison, I think this would have been absolutely shocking to GBC. Aside from his affairs, debt and lies, I believe he would have been so distraught that his wife had gone missing and the last thing on his mind would be his lover, lawyers and insurance policies. But he wasn't distraught. He went to work, he continued the sneaky contact with his lover and he didn't assist in the search. He wasn't in shock, his behaviour wasn't normal and he lawyered up. Put that with scratches, plant matter and blood in the car, and I struggle to believe he is innocent.
Something obviously happened at Brookfield that night...........if he didn't do it then was someone paid to do it?

 

[Aunty]

Happygolucky
Hi , How are you? Great post. I know where you are coming from.
and I've been thinking.... About TM and GBC ?

I think maybe , they both m......d Allison.
Both guilty ,Both blood on their hands, but only one is in prison , and he now holds 25 years of her life in his hands.

He definitely won't dob TM in yet , because if TM is in Prison too, then the truth has been revealed, and it's all over for 25 years for him and no insurance money either.

So GBC has no other option, but to wait and fight the charges with everything he can muster.
TM is scared out of her witts, alright, and it shows, because she knows shes next, if he is found guilty of Murder and sentenced to 25 yrs in prison.

For the M....r plan to have worked, TM would have relied on his "agape" love for her, where he would sacrifice his life for her, at any cost, as she would for him, if anything went wrong.
but...
it has gone wrong, he's in prison, and she cant rely on this all important "Agape" love , to protect her. It didn't exist , because he was cheating on her. She needs him to love her big time.
So, in the court room, TM was trying desperately to convince GBC , that she still loves him, and is hoping she can somehow convince him to have pitty on her at least. ...
Hoping like hell he will find that Agape love , that will protect her, even when he is sentenced to life in prison.

I think TM is under enormous pressure, and I wonder if she and OW have any plans ?

Just throwing ideas around guys.
I also think it is telling that TM has no real proof of her whereabouts that night. Unless I've missed something?

 

[Happygolucky]

With respect, Happygolucky, this case could not be further removed from the Lindy Chamberlain case. It is absolutely NOTHING at all like that. I can not see any similarities whatsoever.

If you are suggesting media interest, that too is way off. In this particular case the media has been very circumspect, almost silent.

If you are suggesting a people interest, I would agree there, but for completely different reasons. The media turned the Chamberlain case into a media circus that sold stories for profit.
In this case, people are outraged over the BC entire family's attitude. Their whole focus appears to circumvent the Law at whatever cost. IMO. No interest even in Justice for Allison from this family.
The sites that are trying to pursue JUSTICE, and whose collective consciences are offended, do so for no financial gain whatsoever.
The contributions here are many and varied and entirely open, informed, and educated. IMO.

My personal thoughts on "brainstorming", is that it a very healthy thing. Ideas from many different angles can be looked at, dissected, discussed. Might be completely different to mine, but then my thoughts might be one eyed.

If you mean that the people in question are behaving different to "normal":

Lindy Chamberlain appeared totally shell-shocked. Numbed. And as a lot of educated people at that time were required to do, they were to appear right.
Hide the inner feelings. Prepare for this new fangled thing, the TV interview.

Azaria Chamberlain was not the first human baby to have been taken by a dingo, nor will she be the last until arrogance and ignorance is brushed aside.

NB ***That salient point was neither asked for, nor debated, just assumed. *** NB.
Azaria Chamberlain was not the first baby to have been taken by a dingo.

There was little opportunity for ordinary citizens to have their ordinary say, or opinions, or share knowledge or facts. The Internet wasn't invented, and there were no crime sites or websleuth sites where people like you and me could have a voice.

The Chamberlain case should have served as a warning that, Yes Dingoes Do take Babies. Be aware. Be prepared.

To even compare Lindy Chamberlain to this case is a gross insult.

Hi, I respect your opinion and this is really an "aside". I vividly remember Lindy's interview when she described seeing the dingo and described it as "a beautiful dingo". People were thinking "what the ........!". I know dingoes have taken children in the past but the press had a field day regards the improbibility, and the evidence about this didn't really surface until the second inquest. The book "Evil Angels" made compelling reading when analysing the whole sorry saga. There are some similarities IMO, but I am happy to agree to disagree.

 

[they'll get you]

IF some random person did abduct and murder Allison, I think this would have been absolutely shocking to GBC. Aside from his affairs, debt and lies, I believe he would have been so distraught that his wife had gone missing and the last thing on his mind would be his lover, lawyers and insurance policies. But he wasn't distraught. He went to work, he continued the sneaky contact with his lover and he didn't assist in the search. He wasn't in shock, his behaviour wasn't normal and he lawyered up. Put that with scratches, plant matter and blood in the car, and I struggle to believe he is innocent.
Something obviously happened at Brookfield that night...........if he didn't do it then was someone paid to do it?

So agree with you with everything you said ....but the problem with everything we feel and know in our guts - nothing is proven. All what you wrote isn't against the law.
Before the committal I was sick with worry that he was going to be set free. I'm going to be worse with the trial, I know. I'll be happy to see some very strong evidence and then I'll rest but until then (self snipped)

I've thought of a hit many times OR someone came to collect & it got all too heavy ??? BUT THE SCRATCHES ???

ah I'm trying Marley......hehehe VERY TRYING

 

[SydneySleuth]

So agree with you with everything you said ....but the problem with everything we feel and know in our guts - nothing is proven. All what you wrote isn't against the law.
Before the committal I was sick with worry that he was going to be set free. I'm going to be worse with the trial, I know. I'll be happy to see some very strong evidence and then I'll rest but until then (self snipped)

I've thought of a hit many times OR someone came to collect & it got all too heavy ??? BUT THE SCRATCHES ???

ah I'm trying Marley......hehehe VERY TRYING

You're right, our gut feeling doesn't prove anything. I felt sick during the committal too, thinking it wouldn't make it to trial. The most compelling evidence by far is
the scratches and plant matter. Without that, I really believe he would be a free man tonight. I too have thought of every possible scenario. I mean, who wants to believe a husband can murder his wife, the mother of his children? It's horrifying.

 

[ollijack]

Just throwing in a spanner in the works.
I've always believed the chamberlains guilty
I know it's not politically correct now days but have been friends
For years with one of the forensic people who worked on the case
And many have no doubt at all it was human not animal

 

[they'll get you]

Just throwing in a spanner in the works.
I've always believed the chamberlains guilty
I know it's not politically correct now days but have been friends
For years with one of the forensic people who worked on the case
And many have no doubt at all it was human not animal

That's no spanner Olli - THAT'S A CROWBAR!

:hills:

 

[GEANIE]

That's no spanner Olli - THAT'S A CROWBAR!

:hills:

It's a catapiller with fingernails:fence:

 

[Couldbe]

IF some random person did abduct and murder Allison, I think this would have been absolutely shocking to GBC. Aside from his affairs, debt and lies, I believe he would have been so distraught that his wife had gone missing and the last thing on his mind would be his lover, lawyers and insurance policies. But he wasn't distraught. He went to work, he continued the sneaky contact with his lover and he didn't assist in the search. He wasn't in shock, his behaviour wasn't normal and he lawyered up. Put that with scratches, plant matter and blood in the car, and I struggle to believe he is innocent.
Something obviously happened at Brookfield that night...........if he didn't do it then was someone paid to do it?

........ maybe farfetched, but Allison could have been lured outside the house ..... and then met with the foul play!

 

[Maigret]

I have been going back and forth a little on the statements and phone records and it does look like both Allison and Gerard used imessaging ( using wifi) as messages the computer expert details are not visible as texts sent on GBC's phone records. So - Allison's phone would certainly have held a lot of information we don't have from her phone records

 

[Maigret]

In Toni's statement she states they broke up on the 14th October 2011 but the email recovered from her computer has the date of her resignation letter as 14th September 2011
Unless she back dated the letter of course - hmm

 

[Couldbe]

In Toni's statement she states they broke up on the 14th October 2011 but the email recovered from her computer has the date of her resignation letter as 14th September 2011
Unless she back dated the letter of course - hmm

She could have done ... I think that was a 4th Statement (also a 5th Statement) where she said that following checking her emails and found the resignation date, she realised that it had actually been earlier...!
As per link: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/03/18/10/45/mistress-up-at-baden-clay-hearing
Also refer: http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/redirect.php?h=Baden_Clays_mistress_takes_the_stand&artid=2041671

".......She said the affair began in August 2008 while they worked together at Baden-Clay's real estate agency.
He broke it off in September 2011, but they rekindled their affair three months later when he promised he would end his marriage by the end of 2012 so they could pursue an "unconditional relationship".

 

[Maigret]

She could have done ... I think that was a 4th Statement (also a 5th Statement) where she said that following checking her emails and found the resignation date, she realised that it had actually been earlier...!
As per link: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/03/18/10/45/mistress-up-at-baden-clay-hearing
Also refer: http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/redirect.php?h=Baden_Clays_mistress_takes_the_stand&artid=2041671

".......She said the affair began in August 2008 while they worked together at Baden-Clay's real estate agency.
He broke it off in September 2011, but they rekindled their affair three months later when he promised he would end his marriage by the end of 2012 so they could pursue an "unconditional relationship".

I think all this is the reason why I don't place much credence in anything she says -

 

[Couldbe]

Happygolucky
....(Respectfully snipped)

I think TM is under enormous pressure, and I wonder if she and OW have any plans ?

Just throwing ideas around guys.
I also think it is telling that TM has no real proof of her whereabouts that night. Unless I've missed something?

..... do we have any idea if TM and OW had/have a good relationship?

 

[SydneySleuth]

........ maybe farfetched, but Allison could have been lured outside the house ..... and then met with the foul play!

Hi Couldbe, I don't think it's far fetched at all.
Allison lured outside by a another person is something I've thought about many times but I firmly believe GBC was involved.

Allison wouldn't have been lured outside by a stranger. Late in the evening, a woman just wouldn't go outside with a stranger and if she had, GBC was home and would have raised the alarm earlier. However, lured outside by a person known to her is a possibility, but i believe GBC would know who this person was and would be involved in some way. There has been no evidence alleging he did or didn't act alone so i wouldn't even speculate who the third party was. If he wasn't involved, how can the scratches be explained? How did he not hear any noises? Why is he taking the fall for someone else? Where is his statement?
It doesn't add up.

 

[Liadan]

Happygolucky
Hi , How are you? Great post. I know where you are coming from.
and I've been thinking.... About TM and GBC ?

I think maybe , they both m......d Allison.
Both guilty ,Both blood on their hands, but only one is in prison , and he now holds 25 years of her life in his hands.

He definitely won't dob TM in yet , because if TM is in Prison too, then the truth has been revealed, and it's all over for 25 years for him and no insurance money either.

So GBC has no other option, but to wait and fight the charges with everything he can muster.
TM is scared out of her witts, alright, and it shows, because she knows shes next, if he is found guilty of Murder and sentenced to 25 yrs in prison.

For the M....r plan to have worked, TM would have relied on his "agape" love for her, where he would sacrifice his life for her, at any cost, as she would for him, if anything went wrong.
but...
it has gone wrong, he's in prison, and she cant rely on this all important "Agape" love , to protect her. It didn't exist , because he was cheating on her. She needs him to love her big time.
So, in the court room, TM was trying desperately to convince GBC , that she still loves him, and is hoping she can somehow convince him to have pitty on her at least. ...
Hoping like hell he will find that Agape love , that will protect her, even when he is sentenced to life in prison.

I think TM is under enormous pressure, and I wonder if she and OW have any plans ?

Just throwing ideas around guys.
I also think it is telling that TM has no real proof of her whereabouts that night. Unless I've missed something?

Dayum that is a smoking post Aunty :nuclear: and I couldn't agree more.If his phone records show him anywhere in the vicintiy of St Lucia that fateful Thursday night -cause GBC may not have stayed to have sausages with the cousins and girls - well we have collusion as far as I am concernced.:thumb:

 

[KG1]

In Toni McHugh's 1st statement of 21/4/12 to QPS, I was intrigued to find the below extract from paragraph 47. What do others think?

 

[KG1]

..... do we have any idea if TM and OW had/have a good relationship?

Did they have a relationship at all?

 

[Couldbe]

Dayum that is a smoking post Aunty :nuclear: and I couldn't agree more.If his phone records show him anywhere in the vicintiy of St Lucia that fateful Thursday night -cause GBC may not have stayed to have sausages with the cousins and girls - well we have collusion as far as I am concernced.:thumb:

... and throw in the CCTV camera at the Kenmore roundabout (which would be functioning earlier in the night, as well as between 11pm and 4am); for that matter, there are other CCTV cameras along Moggill Road too!

 

[Maigret]

In Toni McHugh's 1st statement of 21/4/12 to QPS, I was intrigued to find the below extract from paragraph 47. What do others think?

How did I miss that !!!
They certainly hadn't said anything like that to the media at that point :what: