Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #45

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No I didn't notice. I'll look it up. What did you see?
I enjoy your posts Maigret.

I enjoy everyone's post on here - I'm addicted - I was on the Gold Coast ( I'm from sydney) when Allison was murdered - first I heard was on the Monday - I had flown back on Sunday night - my first thought was - she has taken off - I so wish that she had :(
 
and if he divorced Allison he would no longer be beneficiary by default ... she would most likely take over the payments of it and change the beneficiary.


which is why I can see why the 'suicide' scenario has had to be dimmed a bit, because in that case there is no payout at all. Even Our Olivia seems to have twigged onto that detail. Slowly, though.
 
and if he divorced Allison he would no longer be beneficiary by default ... she would most likely take over the payments of it and change the beneficiary.


which is why I can see why the 'suicide' scenario has had to be dimmed a bit, because in that case there is no payout at all. Even Our Olivia seems to have twigged onto that detail. Slowly, though.

Isn't the suicide clause only in the first 12 months of the policy?
 
Its only my opinion.. but I dont think Toni had the poise to carry that off, really. Not do it, actually speak to Allison whom she has never spoken to before and then get up and go to that terribly important seminar. She was relying on Gerard to give her one damn win out of all this relentless nonsense. .. just one win.. Let me go to this seminar without Allison being there, it made her sick to think of it.

I just cant see her doing that, ringing Allison and laying out her own ultimatum. She has to believe in Gerards 'plan',,, that he is going to have it all sorted by July 1st. Really, thats all she has ...Actually ringing Allison to lay this challenge down is not flying for me... my opinion only.

I do maintain though, that Gerard didnt deliver that ultimatum to Allison either.
I agree TM comes across as a sad an lonely figure--in a hell of a mess of her own making. Gerards plan, sometime in the future after stringing her along for years, and having an affair or two on the side. Its extremely hard to imagine that he planned a long term committed relationship with TM.
 
All of the reasons Gerard gives Toni as to why he has to stay married to Allison dont add up.

Leaving to one side why Allison stayed with him.. I guess she loved him, for the kids, ... it still leaves me with a mystery as to why Gerard just didnt leave..

staying with Allison didnt improve his financial position. Leaving her wouldnt make his position worse. He didnt love her. I dont think his kids were that important to him apart from trophies. He told other people , Phillip Broom, Ben Basingthwaite , etc, that he was getting out of this marriage, so why is he still in it come April 20th? What's he actually doing there?

Why Gerard just didn't leave? Might have fed his ago to be able to have this control over Allison.
Have heard of cases in times past when these types of men used Laudanum on their wives. The purpose of the exercise appears to be one of control. Plus the wife ended up quite susceptible to his suggestions. Example, it is either all right for him to be an adulterer, or, she must be dreaming things. She clearly has a problem. Obviously has a mental disorder, and needs him for her survival.
In the case in question here, Allison appears to have her own survival strategies, and appears not to be going down without a struggle.
 
A look of shock - like - what !!! The ...

Yep got it GOLD!:gasp:

Great pick up.
Yes OW said she loved Allison blah blah blah BUT it was all about them AGAIN and how good the family is and how much help they've done with the police and media. I remember and the media remembers the bolt through the gate, the shutting of the car window in their faces. It appears only when it suits.
 
Why Gerard just didn't leave? Might have fed his ago to be able to have this control over Allison.
Have heard of cases in times past when these types of men used Laudanum on their wives. The purpose of the exercise appears to be one of control. Plus the wife ended up quite susceptible to his suggestions. Example, it is either all right for him to be an adulterer, or, she must be dreaming things. She clearly has a problem. Obviously has a mental disorder, and needs him for her survival.
In the case in question here, Allison appears to have her own survival strategies, and appears not to be going down without a struggle.

Allison had a psychology degree so when traits of certain personality disorders started appearing I imagine she could rationalise and speak about them in the beginning.
There is a saying 'being pecked to death by ducks'. The pecks don't hurt but over a period of time you either desensitise or go crazy.

'Water can wear away a stone'
Get my drift?
 
Hi all, still playing catch up but just wanted to say, Aunty, I read your post a few pages back...you are such a strong woman to have endured what you have...you sound like an amazing person and thank you for sharing....AND justice will be done! :) :hug::rose:

Also Happy Easter to Everyone!
 

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Just reading up on posts, and thinking about OW's Court Room antics. I mean why? What in the name of what is good does she have to make a display of herself like that? Hasn't she been visiting her good ole bro in AGCC? She would have had ample time to talk to him, no? Are those conversations in AGCC recorded or not, are they listened to by anyone standing by? Even if she's only been in town for the hearing, she would still be able to visit and talk to him there (relative privacy)? She seems to be freaking out. I'm just puzzled as to why the display in Court, almost as if she wouldn't have been able to speak to him any other time. How is she going to act during the Court Case if the above is what we have to go by, surely they will not allow it? I would be kicking up such a fuss, they think they can get away with everything. Strange, very strange, but then the BC's are all strange. Reading up on everyone's fantastic sleuthing and wow guys, well done!
 
Yep got it GOLD!:gasp:

Great pick up.
Yes OW said she loved Allison blah blah blah BUT it was all about them AGAIN and how good the family is and how much help they've done with the police and media. I remember and the media remembers the bolt through the gate, the shutting of the car window in their faces. It appears only when it suits.

Yep, I got it too! Ahh uhhh......Raiiight.... I think .....? :shakehead: Geez, did I just imagine that or what? What the dickens was THAT all about? I think there goes a blatant bald face :liar:...

They'll get you, and Maigret, Well do remember the bolt through the gate, the shutting of the car window in their faces and driving off. Could have stuck middle finger in the air and it wouldn't have appeared of place at the time. The total absence or lack of help in the search for Allison; In the rain; Amidst the fears for the worst and real emotional and spiritual pain, from all except any member of the BC family. Well indeed do I remember.
 
So GBC was not permitted to call TM's mobile phone number, because that upset Allison. (According to the self made rules of an adulterous relationship.)

But GBC WAS able to call TM's work number. (Because that number could not be proven to be calling TM.)

And inexplicably it was OK to call using the personal mobile phone number (that USED ..past tense..to upset Allison so much) from 20th April.

From TM's statement: "I am presently employed with Blocksidge and Ferguson, a real estate company located in Adelaide Street Brisbane City as a full
time Property Manager. I have been employed with this company since the 13th April, 2012."

From the phone records: Then there was a call to Blocksidge and Ferguson, Real Estate agents in Brisbane @ 2.43pm on 19 April lasting 5.03 minutes.

All interesting....

I did not realize that TM was the lady friend I referred to at the above firm of RE agents. I thought it must hae been one of the others. It is a while since I read TMs statements and I obviously did not absorb that piece of info. Silly me. So he did call her on that fateful day, despite the embargo on his extra curricular calls to the 'others'.
 
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As long as we're all here for the same thing, and that is justice for Allison!
There are NO stupid ideas in a brainstorm. That's what we're here for, so long as we respect each other and put our best foot forward it's all good. Look forward to hearing more of your posts!
 
Allison had a psychology degree so when traits of certain personality disorders started appearing I imagine she could rationalise and speak about them in the beginning.
There is a saying 'being pecked to death by ducks'. The pecks don't hurt but over a period of time you either desensitise or go crazy.

'Water can wear away a stone'
Get my drift?

I too thought that Allison must have had a Psychology Degree, but when I asked a friend of hers if it was true, she said that it wasn't the case. Allison certainly was clever though.
 
I too thought that Allison must have had a Psychology Degree, but when I asked a friend of hers if it was true, she said that it wasn't the case. Allison certainly was clever though.

I took a peek where I read it:- http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/tears-for-girl-next-door/story-fn6ck45n-1226347238522 (possibly she didn't graduate)

She spoke five foreign languages. She picked up Danish and Swedish after high school, on a Rotary exchange trip to Denmark. She boned up on French, German and Japanese while studying psychology at the University of Queensland.

Career Goals: To continue study in psychology and practice either organisational or clinical psychology then eventually open her own psychology clinic.
 
I too thought that Allison must have had a Psychology Degree, but when I asked a friend of hers if it was true, she said that it wasn't the case. Allison certainly was clever though.

And much more clever than the man she married. More human, more genuine, more honest, more loyal, more reliable and more normal too.
 
I wonder if Allison used to have the same feeling of dread and loathing as I do right now. Off to spend Easter with the in-laws.
Happy Easter websleuther friends.

On a good note GBC's phone records are coming along nicely and I'd rather stay home to finish it : ) My eyes are enjoying the rest though.

Just a question for Marly- Do you want me to post the phone records here tomorrow? It will be a very long post?
Just let me know and I'll check before posting.

Stay safe and eat lots of chocolate everyone.
Huge big cyberhug to those alone today *advertiser censored*
 
I wonder if Allison used to have the same feeling of dread and loathing as I do right now. Off to spend Easter with the in-laws.
Happy Easter websleuther friends.

On a good note GBC's phone records are coming along nicely and I'd rather stay home to finish it : ) My eyes are enjoying the rest though.

Just a question for Marly- Do you want me to post the phone records here tomorrow? It will be a very long post?
Just let me know and I'll check before posting.

Stay safe and eat lots of chocolate everyone.
Huge big cyberhug to those alone today *advertiser censored*

I would like you to post them here. I think it will help fill in some of the gaps.
 
Allison had a psychology degree so when traits of certain personality disorders started appearing I imagine she could rationalise and speak about them in the beginning.
There is a saying 'being pecked to death by ducks'. The pecks don't hurt but over a period of time you either desensitise or go crazy.

'Water can wear away a stone'
Get my drift?

Wow. This ended up way longer than intended. Sorry. Especially sorry to Ma'am Marlywimgs for being a bit OT :-/


This is exactly what happened to me. The little bits seemed so little in their own right but over time that carping criticism, the little pushes, the undermining..... I only really started to notice when he'd start hiding the toys he saw my girls and I having fun playing together or when I saw the fear on their little faces as they scuttled to hide under the bed when he rampaged and threw me against walls and doors. Funny because he was getting more physically violent and more insulting and controlling - you know.... But I didn't notice any of that, or at least I wouldn't admit it to myself. And when I appealed to his family about the violence they told me it was nothing....DV is so insidious. 7 years later I can see it so clearly but at the time, even if you start to wonder, there's a "but what if he's right?" shame about it. I actually believed I was a bad mother, that I deserved no friends because I was a horrible useless worthless person. Then came the whole but how do I get out of this alive scenario.

I won't bore you with the rest including forced terminations but suffice to say, when I came home one day after attending a conference & seeing family in Sydney, I was half an hour later than he expected despite having taken two little girls all the way from Sydney to rural Victoria via a plane & a 5 hr drive all in one day. He opened the door, yelling at me so loudly the neighbours across the street came out to see what was going on. His face was priceless when I said "good thing I don't have to put up with this s*** anymore, I have my own place". I had been secreting away bits & pieces in a storage unit & had quietly secured a house & had all the services connected. I grabbed the girls, got in the car & went to our new peaceful home. Still a long journey from there but I am so glad I had the inner strength (tks to a very close friend) to do it.

The worst thing was he never displayed it front of other people, although it started to slip out in little bits in the end. His stress about losing control really showed at the perfect time when many years later I finally got the Consent Orders to the Family Court & he exploded at his and my Barristers, yelling abuse and threatening them and me if they didn't make me lose all my money, my car, my job & the kids and NOW! He was the sort that would be about 4 inches from your face as he yelled abuse, spraying spittle over you face as his angry eyes would narrow & projected the most awful out of control anger. Of course he was perpetually escorted in the court from then on. It was great confirmation that his behaviour was indeed really bad and it wasn't just me.

When I read the bail documents I got the shivers. I'm used to rather intimately dealing with deceased persons after road trauma so it wasn't the details in the autopsy report. All of the detail about their life that is being revealed, the phone calls and emails, the comments from TM. It all adds up to a lot of DV for both ABC & TM. I think they both suffered. If TM was so unable to cope without him (someone mentioned that previously) he had a type of control over her as well, she probably thought it was love. In my opinion ABC knew full well about the affairs and had, in amongst her depression, found a clarity and therefore strength, to leave him, probably through her counsellor sessions. She most likely announced it that night when the girls were not in earshot. It escalated....and the rest is history. TM may not have had the wherewithal to participate but I believe she knows far more than she is letting on. She may well still be operating out of fear of losing him - part of the insidious all consuming control & drive to appease the perpetrator that comes with this type of psychological DV.

End of rant. A big Easter Sunday thank you to those that read it all. :-*
 
I wonder if Allison used to have the same feeling of dread and loathing as I do right now. Off to spend Easter with the in-laws.
Happy Easter websleuther friends.

On a good note GBC's phone records are coming along nicely and I'd rather stay home to finish it : ) My eyes are enjoying the rest though.

Just a question for Marly- Do you want me to post the phone records here tomorrow? It will be a very long post?
Just let me know and I'll check before posting.

Stay safe and eat lots of chocolate everyone.
Huge big cyberhug to those alone today *advertiser censored*

I know that feeling far too well. I think it would be great to see the lists combined, along with the contents of texts if you have them, all in a nice timeline (I hope you're using excel to make it easier on you). Maybe break them down and post a day at a time for the busy days. I have found them amazingly useful so far and really appreciate the huge amount of work you have put in to achieve it. And could you possibly, pretty please, put the times in 24hr format?

Hope you have a Happy Easter & tks, I'll take the hug as I am doing Easter alone this year, on top of Christmas alone! But hey, makes us appreciate family all the more when we do have them around us.
 
I know that feeling far too well. I think it would be great to see the lists combined, along with the contents of texts if you have them, all in a nice timeline (I hope you're using excel to make it easier on you). Maybe break them down and post a day at a time for the busy days. I have found them amazingly useful so far and really appreciate the huge amount of work you have put in to achieve it. And could you possibly, pretty please, put the times in 24hr format?

Hope you have a Happy Easter & tks, I'll take the hug as I am doing Easter alone this year, on top of Christmas alone! But hey, makes us appreciate family all the more when we do have them around us.

Hugs to you Zanzibar - I am having a lovely Easter and we are off to the in-laws for lunch and I look forward to it - not spending time with my mother though - she's a bit toxic
 
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