Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

[LinasK]

I would hope that the Brits would continue to love and support the Kercher family, but I would also hope that they would realize that nothing about this conviction makes any sense at all and that being heartbroken at the senseless killing of one of their own isn't a good enough excuse to rally behind the continued prosecution of an innocent person.

Ummm, not innocent. Both Knox and Sollecito were convicted twice- in a court of law.

 

[otto]

Not being inhumane at all. Dang, to me this whole case screams "commit murder in a foreign country and still enjoy your freedom!"

Tell it like it is!

That does seem to be the Avoid Extradition Plan ... apparently, people from the US that commit murder in foreign countries should be allowed to remain in the US (avoid prison) if they disagree with the 1983 Extradition Treaties. If anyone from the US wants to murder a spouse, business partner, or roommate, do it in Italy and get home fast.

 

[LinasK]

another comment about "lingerie"?

would a female not want clean underwear? especially when it's "that time of the month"?

"A day after Miss Kercher was found dead, Sollecito and Knox went shopping for sexy underwear for her in Perugia, reportedly making plans for a night of "wild sex".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-profile-of-boyfriend-Raffaele-Sollecito.html

"It was part of a pattern of behaviour which struck many observers as odd or even callous in the days after the killing, along with the couple's kissing and cuddling outside the hillside cottage where Miss Kercher's body was found."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-profile-of-boyfriend-Raffaele-Sollecito.html

[all true as far as I know]

"Sollecito had a passion for knives and was a fan of Japanese Manga Comics [and anime], known for their extreme violence and rape fantasies."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-profile-of-boyfriend-Raffaele-Sollecito.html

[this is also true]

More Information: Massei Report

http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

page 103, page 367 (conclusion)

Exactly! Clean underwear is NOT bought for the same purpose as lingerie. And who said it was "that time of the month"??? A convicted liar??

 

[LinasK]

sollacio should have left Italy before the verdict was read. it sounds like a nightmare. I don't understand, RG's dna was on MK. From what little I know, it would seem, RG broke in, raped MK , killed and robbed her.
RG is saying RS and AK were there. Yet I don't believe RC and AK had ever even seen RG before. How could the 3 of them suddenly become murder conspirators? If AK and RS were there as RG says they were, why didn't they go to the police and tell what they knew about RG, rather than accusing Lambucco? AK dna was on the knife but I believe it was a knife used in the kitchen and it would be understandable that AK handled the knife from being in he kitchen. I'm leaning to not guilty. AK acted strange after but I think it was from getting high on drugs.

They knew Guede from the bar. The break-in was staged, the way the glass fell from the broken window was the wrong direction, it fell outward, rather than in. And Guede did not rape Meredith.
AK still acts strange not only because of drugs, but because she is a narcisscist. I will go so far as to say I think she is a sociopath/psychopath.

 

[otto]

Compare that with her statement after the acquittal.

“I am glad that the appeals court gave Amanda the fair hearing that she deserves. All countries must live up to their international commitments to provide a fair trial by an impartial tribunal to those accused of crimes. "
http://www.cantwell.senate.gov/publ...eases?ID=ebf15627-a81e-4980-97ce-e68254405eb6

So it is only fair if Knox would be acquitted? Who made her the judge?

So Cantwell is going to monitor the appeal that requests that the Supreme Court return the Murder of Meredith Kercher case back to the appellate court. Good for her. It looks like she commended the Italian Judicial System for living up to international commitments and providing impartial tribunals to accused murderers a couple of years ago. At least she is wise enough to support the system.

That is, it sounds to me like Cantwell is congratulating Italy for having a sound legal system, and telling the world that she'll watch, or monitor, the Knox saga. As Myvice points out, there is no action in watching.

I don't think that the case will be returned to Appellate Court.
I remember when Edda Mellas was interviewed shortly before the guilty verdict. She said that it's all sorted out in the appeals, so although she was not hopeful with the verdict, she expected the appeals to be in her daughter's favor. She was half right.

 

[otto]

Yes, it appears Amanda's lamp was brought in to Meredith's room to help during the cleanup/coverup. To say that there was nothing of Amanda's at the crime scene is not correct. Now, whether it was just the lamp and wiped down, or her lamp with DNA on it is not known since the defense elected not to have it tested.

Thank you!

The lamp, belonging to Knox, was in the crime scene - even if the crime scene is confined to Meredith's bedroom. That has always been the counter argument to: there is no evidence of Knox in Meredith's bedroom. After the lamp was pointed out, the counter argument became: there is no DNA evidence of Knox in Meredith's bedroom.

That point doesn't help because if they were friends, Knox's DNA should have all over Meredith's bedroom. If Knox's DNA had been all over her "friend's" bedroom (Dr Sollecito suggested they were such good friends, they shared underwear), no one would have questioned it. They were roommates, after all ... and if Knox's lamp was in Meredith's bedroom, and it was put there by someone other than Knox, why wasn't it tested for DNA?

The Lamp is one object that is absolutely tied to the murder. Knox has given no explanation for the location of the lamp. She did not notice it missing when she discovered towels missing from the bathroom and scooted down the hallway on the bloody bathmat (out of the bloody bathroom), with the wind blown front door unlocked. Knox has not explained the lamp, so presumably it is directly connected with the murder.

A result of Guede's DNA on the lamp helps their case, but the lamp was not tested for DNA. Check the lamp seems like a better argument than trying to discredit DNA science.

Does anyone have a link to the 2009 appeal decision about what was accepted and rejected for consideration? I'd like to double check whether the defense requested that it be tested and it was refused.

 

[redheadedgal]

I believe RGs was considered minimal compared to MKs as it was a mixed sample.

I also believe one instance was only RGs Y haplo.

thanks amber. i wasn't sure how large or small RG's traces were.

Exactly. They've always had a mess of a case. I think as time goes on you will see more people really looking into both of the things that matter: 1) the evidence and 2) the very flawed trial process.

Without a shred of doubt if anyone here were accused of a crime not a one would think these procedures were appropriate or fair for themselves. No, we would want a lawyer. We would want to be questioned in their native language. We would not want evidence presented in the Guede trial, which they were not allowed to question or rebut to be then be used against them. We would insist on the highest standards and best practices in evidence collection and testing. We would want a change of venue due to insane pretrial publicity, and on and on. Yet some have no issue with someone else being convicted that way. I can't understand for the life of me the justification behind that line of thinking.

i've asked this several times... the answer is "well, the courts accepted it, so it must be credible".

I have found her to be incredibly authentic and sincere. But we're all entitled to our own opinions and we won't always agree. I don't think she uses big words - I think she talks like a pretty normal, intelligent person.

me too

 

[otto]

Exactly! Clean underwear is NOT bought for the same purpose as lingerie. And who said it was "that time of the month"??? A convicted liar??

The shop keeper had video of the lingerie event. It is not that Knox needed underwear, that is not the point. That Knox and Sollecito were observed canoodling in the lingerie shop the day after the murder is the point. This was not a Target shopping experience. This was a narrow shop on a narrow street in Perugia, Italy, a medieval town, where Knox and Sollecito drew attention to themselves as they made a lingerie purchase.

The explanation is that the underpants that Knox purchased came up to her waist, but that is not the story from the shop owner.

 

[redheadedgal]

• there was no glass on the ground beneath the window
• glass was found on the exterior of the window, but lined up on the ledge as though the exterior shutter of the window was closed when the glass was broken
• glass was found on top of the computer, which had been thrown onto the floor
• glass was found on top of clothing that had been pulled off the closet shelves
  
• it rained on the night of the murder
• the wall of the cottage is made of stone, which is slippery when wet
• Filomina's bedroom is 13 feet from the parking pad (origin of rock throw) and 12-14 feet above the ground, a wall scaling event
• there is a metal window grille on the back of the house that is an easy climb to the balcony, which provides easy access to the kitchen window and French doors.

i proved the assertion incorrect. and at the time there was no caveat for "exceptions".

-the rain is unproven unless one chooses to believe the testimony of a drug addict... who also said he was sitting on the bench reading the paper in said rain... believable? i think not.
-reasons for breaking into the cottage by way of FR's room have been thoroughly addressed
-harmony has repeatedly posted evidence disputing the glass on top of clothes assertion
-slippery when wet? my favorite bon jovi album

I think so, too. The other roommates were gone. Meredith's money was missing. No one else could have taken it and they got into a heated argument. Meredith said she was calling the cops. Guede was there to sell AK and RS drugs. I still can't believe Guede didn't flush the toilet.

what is the proof for "guede was there to sell drugs"?

"A day after Miss Kercher was found dead, Sollecito and Knox went shopping for sexy underwear for her in Perugia, reportedly making plans for a night of "wild sex".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-profile-of-boyfriend-Raffaele-Sollecito.html

"It was part of a pattern of behaviour which struck many observers as odd or even callous in the days after the killing, along with the couple's kissing and cuddling outside the hillside cottage where Miss Kercher's body was found."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-profile-of-boyfriend-Raffaele-Sollecito.html

[all true as far as I know]

"Sollecito had a passion for knives and was a fan of Japanese Manga Comics [and anime], known for their extreme violence and rape fantasies."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-profile-of-boyfriend-Raffaele-Sollecito.html

[this is also true]

More Information: Massei Report

http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

page 103, page 367 (conclusion)

the "sexy" underwear has been disputed ad nauseum.

i read tons of true crime involving homicide and other heinous crimes... does that make me a murderer?

my undergrad (and M.A.) is criminology... does that make me a criminal?

 

[ashleigh_schwartz]

I am not and have never been convinced that she and Sollecito murdered Meredith BARD. From reading this thread and other sites, it seems that people simply do not like her because she has a cold demeanor instead of a more pleasant one. Or rather people do not like her mannerisms, personality, and such. I have read many comments saying that you can tell she did it by the look in her eyes and that she is a psychopath, but there is no evidence that proves they did it beyond a shadow of doubt.

Even the evidence that supposedly indicates they were there (bra clasp, a drop of blood) is fickle. Meredith had at least 47 separate wounds and fought her perpetrator. How could Knox and Sollecito come out of that without a scratch and so little DNA at the crime scene? If they cleaned up, how did they manage to get rid of most of their DNA but Rudy's was still all over the place? They would have to be knowledgable.

I am not saying they are "innocent" or that they had no involvement, but I just do not believe they actually murdered Meredith BARD.

I am also curious about the motive. I have only heard that it was a "sex game" gone wrong, that it was a prank, and that Knox was jealous of Meredith. Where is the evidence that it was a "sex game" or a prank? Did people say that Knox was jealous of Meredith?

 

[otto]

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-the rain is unproven unless one chooses to believe the testimony of a drug addict... who also said he was sitting on the bench reading the paper in said rain... believable? i think not.
-reasons for breaking into the cottage by way of FR's room have been thoroughly addressed
-harmony has repeatedly posted evidence disputing the glass on top of clothes assertion
-slippery when wet? my favorite bon jovi album



what is the proof for "guede was there to sell drugs"?




the "sexy" underwear has been disputed ad nauseum.

i read tons of true crime involving homicide and other heinous crimes (websites, books, movies)... does that make me a murderer?

my undergrad (and M.A.) is criminology... does that make me a criminal?

Crini mentioned Balding's DNA review of Sollecito on the bra, and the fact that it rained on the night of the murder. People can doubt that it rained, and link regional weather websites, but based on eye witness accounts, the prosecutor is comfortable stating that it rained.

The sexy underwear has been disputed, and it is indisputable that Knox and Sollecito were observed canoodling in the lingerie department at the Target-like shop in the narrow streets of Perugia. Knox did not buy long johns to keep her dry and warm on the streets of Perugia. She was canoodling with the man she met a week earlier on the day after her "friend" and roommate was murdered ... and neither had a coherent alibi.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

You mean she wants to grab some of the spotlight?

Actually, when politicians get involved with this type of stuff, most of the work done by their offices is incredibly tedious and totally unsung. There are much less time consuming and less noble ways for a politician to get some attention.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Ummm, not innocent. Both Knox and Sollecito were convicted twice- in a court of law.

I should have been clearer - they are factually innocent, even if they may not at the moment be considered legally innocent.

 

[Harmony 2]

Manga (Japanese: 漫画 Hepburn: Manga?, English Listeni/ˈmæŋ.ɡə/ or /ˈmɑːŋ.ɡə/) are comics created in Japan, or by Japanese creators in the Japanese language, conforming to a style developed in Japan in the late 19th century.[1] They have a long and complex pre-history in earlier Japanese art.

In Japan, people of all ages read manga. The medium includes works in a broad range of genres: action-adventure, romance, sports and games, historical drama, comedy, science fiction and fantasy, mystery, suspense, detective, horror, sexuality, and business/commerce, among others

Manga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

link

 

[sherlockh]

"I have to tell you, in 50 years of practicing law, I had never seen a more one-sided presentation by the media in the United States of the case. Everybody is saying there's no evidence against her and she's totally innocent. It's just not true."

http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/alan-dershowitz-amanda-knox-murder-trial/2014/01/31/id/550244

 

[Elley Mae]

I am not and have never been convinced that she and Sollecito murdered Meredith BARD. From reading this thread and other sites, it seems that people simply do not like her because she has a cold demeanor instead of a more pleasant one. Or rather people do not like her mannerisms, personality, and such. I have read many comments saying that you can tell she did it by the look in her eyes and that she is a psychopath, but there is no evidence that proves they did it beyond a shadow of doubt.

Even the evidence that supposedly indicates they were there (bra clasp, a drop of blood) is fickle. Meredith had at least 47 separate wounds and fought her perpetrator. How could Knox and Sollecito come out of that without a scratch and so little DNA at the crime scene? If they cleaned up, how did they manage to get rid of most of their DNA but Rudy's was still all over the place? They would have to be knowledgable.

I am not saying they are "innocent" or that they had no involvement, but I just do not believe they actually murdered Meredith BARD.

I am also curious about the motive. I have only heard that it was a "sex game" gone wrong, that it was a prank, and that Knox was jealous of Meredith. Where is the evidence that it was a "sex game" or a prank? Did people say that Knox was jealous of Meredith?

Welcome to Websleuths!

I agree.

 

[Footwarrior]

Perugia is a backwards part of Italy, beset with distrust of outsiders. As an American, Amanda was clearly an outsider. So was Raffaelle, as he came from a different region in Italy.

Portraying Manga as evil was a prosecution play on the bigotry and intolerance of the jury in Perugia. A reminder that Raffaelle was not one of them.

 

[Footwarrior]

http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/alan-dershowitz-amanda-knox-murder-trial/2014/01/31/id/550244

One might assume that a Harvard professor would get his facts straight before deciding on a case, but this one did not.

Amanda did not start out claiming to be at the murder scene.

 

[~n/t~]

Perugia is a backwards part of Italy, beset with distrust of outsiders. As an American, Amanda was clearly an outsider. So was Raffaelle, as he came from a different region in Italy.

Portraying Manga as evil was a prosecution play on the bigotry and intolerance of the jury in Perugia. A reminder that Raffaelle was not one of them.

Say what? Backwards part of Italy ? What does that mean?

Sollecito moved to Perugia in 2002. 12 years ago. Where are you getting that he wasn't part of them ? Italian or not, if you commit a crime you pay the price regardless of where you're from.

 

[sherlockh]

Amanda Knox is a murderer and no PR rebranding can hide the truth of her guilt

Now with the millions she has earned from her book and TV appearances, Amanda Knox can afford the very best PR and legal PR team money can buy.

In fact she can buy pretty much whatever she wants. Except innocence.