Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

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ashleigh_schwartz said:
I know not every speck of blood was tested, but if you want to throw two people in prison for life, you should have at least sufficient evidence that they committed the crime. All I have seen are people stating with certainty that Knox and Sollecito are guilty because of their "demeanor" or because they do not think they are "acting how an innocent person should act."

What in the coroner's report proves that there was another assailant? What in it proves that it was Knox and Sollecito?

Better yet, why did Knox and Sollecito murder Meredith if it is true that they did?
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The report says: "She said it was Patrick that killed her, saying that she heard Meredith scream out loudly and that she put her fingers in her ears, imagining what could have happened."

She did not intervene and claimed she did not remember anything further until she woke up in Sollecito's bed the next day.

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Some 'friend'; you hear your flat mate screaming and you put your fingers in your ears. smh She, in one version of her truth, admits to knowing a crime was taking place and 'not intervening'.
 
Linda7NJ said:
I totally disagree. On all assertions.
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One of my assertions is that Interweb posters theories are not evidence and Interweb posters arguments are also not evidence. Another assertion is that there is no evidence in this case of AK in MK's room at the time of the murder.

Imagining it must be there because "every square inch of the room was not checked for DNA" is still not evidence.
 
ashleigh_schwartz said:
I know not every speck of blood was tested, but if you want to throw two people in prison for life, you should have at least sufficient evidence that they committed the crime. All I have seen are people stating with certainty that Knox and Sollecito are guilty because of their "demeanor" or because they do not think they are "acting how an innocent person should act."



What in the coroner's report proves that there was another assailant? What in it proves that it was Knox and Sollecito?



Better yet, why did Knox and Sollecito murder Meredith if it is true that they did?
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Their behavior is a piece of a very large puzzle. When looking at all the pieces...it becomes crystal clear, to me, they were complicit.

I don't recall anyone ever saying their odd behavior alone was proof positive of guilt. That's simply not true.


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SMK said:
I know what you mean, but I can't be as cynical about this Judge.

1. I would imagine he believes the defendants are not liable to offend in this manner again: Not being together, not being as young, not using drugs (we assume) and having done 4 years in prison.

2. I don't think he is saying, "Because Sollecito didn't go on the stand, we convicted him." I think he's saying that they were unconvinced by his attorneys' arguments.
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No, he is not saying that he found them guilty bc RS did not testify. But he explicitly is saying that RS not subjecting himself to cross exam worked against him. They essentially used it as another piece of evidence to help bolster their verdict. Of course most juries probably do this implicitly, ie use lack of testifying as just another piece of evidence that could contribute to guilt. But it is improper to do that and for the judge to basically go on TV and admit that was really stupid.

And RG gets 16 years and is out I believe next year walking the streets? I think he is extremely dangerous. Anyone who kills anyone no matter what age or under what circumstances I believe has the possibility to have that urge to kill again. If the judge really believed that AK was such an angry person that she would whack someone to death out of a fight dealing with the toilet or cleanliness, they would have to think her a dangerous person. 99% of people taking pot do not go onto kill anyone so it would not just be about the drugs. Even if in drugs you still would have to have something seriously wrong w you to stab someone 43 times. But I guess the judge is just fine w them walking the streets for the next few years

IMO Italy cares nothing about actually having AK serve time.they have their guilty verdict now, they will just chalk it up to AK hiding when she avoids extradiction. In the end AK will never be extradited. They could work out a deal where she serves time in the US prison if it comes to that. IMO she will never go back to Italy

I think RG will talk, though lies, once he gets out to make some money in the tabloids. He will have some real doozy stories probably.
 
Jacie Estes said:
The report says: "She said it was Patrick that killed her, saying that she heard Meredith scream out loudly and that she put her fingers in her ears, imagining what could have happened."

She did not intervene and claimed she did not remember anything further until she woke up in Sollecito's bed the next day.

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Some 'friend'; you hear your flat mate screaming and you put your fingers in your ears. smh She, in one version of her truth, admits to knowing a crime was taking place and 'not intervening'.
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She may very well be a liar and a nasty person, but none of that is evidence that she murdered Meredith.

Knox and Sollecito may very well not be innocent, but it simply has not been proven BARD.
 
Yellow said:
No, he is not saying that he found them guilty bc RS did not testify. But he explicitly is saying that RS not subjecting himself to cross exam worked against him. They essentially used it as another piece of evidence to help bolster their verdict. Of course most juries probably do this implicitly, ie use lack of testifying as just another piece of evidence that could contribute to guilt. But it is improper to do that and for the judge to basically go on TV and admit that was really stupid.

And RG gets 16 years and is out I believe next year walking the streets? I think he is extremely dangerous. Anyone who kills anyone no matter what age or under what circumstances I believe has the possibility to have that urge to kill again. If the judge really believed that AK was such an angry person that she would whack someone to death out of a fight dealing with the toilet or cleanliness, they would have to think her a dangerous person. 99% of people taking pot do not go onto kill anyone so it would not just be about the drugs. Even if in drugs you still would have to have something seriously wrong w you to stab someone 43 times. But I guess the judge is just fine w them walking the streets for the next few years

IMO Italy cares nothing about actually having AK serve time.they have their guilty verdict now, they will just chalk it up to AK hiding when she avoids extradiction. In the end AK will never be extradited. They could work out a deal where she serves time in the US prison if it comes to that. IMO she will never go back to Italy

I think RG will talk, though lies, once he gets out to make some money in the tabloids. He will have some real doozy stories probably.
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Who was 'stabbed 43 times'?
 
Linda7NJ said:
Their behavior is a piece of a very large puzzle. When looking at all the pieces...it becomes crystal clear, to me, they were complicit.

I don't recall anyone ever saying their odd behavior alone was proof positive of guilt. That's simply not true.


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I have seen too many cases where people assign guilt to someone because they do not "act how an innocent person should be acting." It is not any different from you stating that it is a fact that they were complicit in Meredith's murder because of their cold and odd demeanors. They could have been, but the evidence is lacking, and I simply do not believe it is right to send someone to prison for 25 to 28 years unless you have proven that they have committed the murder BARD.
 
Madeleine74 said:
One of my assertions is that Interweb posters theories are not evidence and Interweb posters arguments are also not evidence. Another assertion is that there is no evidence in this case of AK in MK's room at the time of the murder.

Imagining it must be there because "every square inch of the room was not checked for DNA" is still not evidence.
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Neither is arguing there isn't enough evidence they were there. Lack of evidence after a clean-up wouldn't be unusual.
They don't get a pass because they attempted to clean & stage. There was still evidence they were there. They cleaned up their mess...or so they thought. But they didn't clean well enough.

They knew where they were standing and the role each played. Not hard to clean those areas. Rudy's prints went straight out the door.
Amanda can be found cleaning herself up in the bathroom...same with Raff ...the hallway and surfaces were cleaned. Evidence of Amanda staging break in is found in the other room and her lamp is found in Meredith's.
They had ample time. They still made mistakes. No surprise ...most murderers do.


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Yellow said:
Meredith, they might not have all been actual stab wounds, as some were superficial. But the prosecution is always making this argument about the 43 injuries
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Meredith Kercher was NOT stabbed 43 times.

Three horizontal cut marks were noted to her right throat area

Three slanted vertical cut marks were noted under her mid to left center chin area

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/ronhendry7.html
 
I had never followed this case until the new trial/verdict that ended just the other day. Since then I've gone back and read a lot about the case, watched interviews, etc. I think the only person that is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is RG... and it's a joke that he could potentially be released this year.
 
Linda7NJ said:
Their behavior is a piece of a very large puzzle. When looking at all the pieces...it becomes crystal clear, to me, they were complicit.

I don't recall anyone ever saying their odd behavior alone was proof positive of guilt. That's simply not true.
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When John E. Douglas looked into this case he found nothing in the background of Amanda or Raffaelle that indicated criminal tendencies. For doing so, he was immediately called a paid liar and a fraud by certain Internet forums.

Douglas is considered to be a world class expert on criminal behavior.
 
Linda7NJ said:
Neither is arguing there isn't enough evidence they were there. Lack of evidence after a clean-up wouldn't be unusual.
They don't get a pass because they attempted to clean & stage. There was still evidence they were there. They cleaned up their mess...or so they thought. But they didn't clean well enough.

They knew where they were standing and the role each played. Not hard to clean those areas. Rudy's prints went straight out the door.
Amanda can be found cleaning herself up in the bathroom...same with Raff ...the hallway and surfaces were cleaned. Evidence of Amanda staging break in is found in the other room and her lamp is found in Meredith's.
They had ample time. They still made mistakes. No surprise ...most murderers do.


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Amanda and Raffaele should never get a pass in this crime. At 3:30 on this video you can see the bathroom. Not a place to really 'clean up'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dia7CWTPblc#t=211
 
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Jacie Estes said:
Meredith Kercher was NOT stabbed 43 times.

Three horizontal cut marks were noted to her right throat area

Three slanted vertical cut marks were noted under her mid to left center chin area

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/ronhendry7.html
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Yeah, I know, this is just another example where the prosecution blows things out of proportion. My original post dealing with the 43 stabs has to do what the prosecution sprews out - if they seriously think someone who went through such a ferocious attack stabbing someone over and over should be out on the streets, it makes me question whether they really think she is guilty. They are alway making a big deal w so many stab wounds and lack of defensive wounds to argue there are multiple perps. What the prosecution or the tabloids say however is often far from the truth.
 
Footwarrior said:
When John E. Douglas looked into this case he found nothing in the background of Amanda or Raffaelle that indicated criminal tendencies. For doing so, he was immediately called a paid liar and a fraud by certain Internet forums.



Douglas is considered to be a world class expert on criminal behavior.
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People murder everyday with nothing in the background to predict it.

Show me some proof that prior criminal tendencies are are requirement for murder.


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otto said:
Heavy Metal Magazine is probably similar to violence in Japanese Manga Anime. My understanding is that there was some concern with Sollecito's interest in the depiction of violence.
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Amanda wrote a series of short stories under the name "Foxy Knoxy"...one was about a stalker and the other about the drugging and rape of a young woman. Raffaele was interested in knives.
Odd behavior and interests are one thing, but these two young people together being involved in a case with these aspects is very coincidental.
 
Jessica2012 said:
Amanda wrote a series of short stories under the name "Foxy Knoxy"...one was about a stalker and the other about the drugging and rape of a young woman. Raffaele was interested in knives.

Wierd interest is one thing but these two young people who have these interests being involved in a case with all of these aspects is very coincidental.
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Are those short stories anywhere online?


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