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My point though, in highlighting the disparities between America and Europe - to include post-conviction relief - is to show just how pro-defendant Europe truly is.Hey Brit's Kate! My post and Jacies response were speaking to US vs Italy and not Europe at large. And although in my mind I was talking about the trial process and not necessarily about post-conviction concerns such as prison conditions, my use of the term justice system didn't really make that clear. In the context of the system in total in all of Europe your points are good ones. And of course the one big disadvantage to our defendants is the death penalty![]()
So who believes Steve Moore's theory of the case:
Guede was a police informant that avoided detention after the Milan break in because Perugia police insisted that he be released to Perugia. When he murdered Meredith, police had no choice but to arrest Knox and Sollecito because this would apparently cover up the fact that their police informant murdered Meredith. The Supreme Court is in on this conspiracy.
http://www.westseattleherald.com/2011/09/27/news/update-5-amanda-knox-court-today-prosecutor-migni
"Also high drama in court today as Michelle Moore, the wife of Steve Moore, retired FBI expert and outspoken critic of the prosecution, (both in the courtroom as observers), decided it would be a good idea to let Mignini know she though he was "an evil person". She is now being detained. She may receive a costly fine for insulting (libeling) him. At this time she is not allowed to leave the building."
Update: She was held for an hour and has been released.
Keeping it classy...?
You could say that :floorlaugh:
Who yells out at a prosecutor in open court this way?
When was the last time you showered in a small bathroom with someone's stinking feces in the bowl? They probably stank up the whole apartment, even over the blood and bleach.
The bra clasp had Knox's DNA on it.
Are you Canadian by any chance?
I had never followed this case until the new trial/verdict that ended just the other day. Since then I've gone back and read a lot about the case, watched interviews, etc. I think the only person that is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is RG... and it's a joke that he could potentially be released this year.
Tacopina came to Perugia as a paid consultant for ABC News to investigate the real story behind the Kercher murder, and I interviewed him for Newsweek in Rome in March. He said he was acting as a consultant to the family, even though he was being paid by ABC, and he was the first to call foul on the missteps by Italian investigators. But he also told me that deep down, he wasnt sure about Amandas story.
From the above link.
I had been following this case. However the last time I truly paid close attention was when she was released. Since it has been long enough for the details to fade I want to go and start from the beginning re-looking at it.
Where would you all recommend I start? A particular book that covers the case very well? (NOT written by one of the players obvi. Something rooted in facts. I'd actually prefer it to be written by someone who isn't American, Italian OR British... but that may be asking a lot.)
(Also does anyone else notice how Amanda's new look makes her look just like RS?)
I don't think extradition proceedings have anything to do with what is portrayed by media. The extradition treaty is between the U.S. and Italy. It's not up to the media/public to decide whether or not she is extradited.
Also what do you guys think will happen if Amanda does not get extradited but Raffaele has to do the time?
I disagree. I think all of those things worked in her favor, very much so. If she didn't have these things in her favor, even just some of those things, there would be no Friends of Amanda, no supporters, no experts wanting to speak for her, no politicians wanting to go near her story, no people donating to her - no donations. She would be in prison and forgotten.
:seeya:
BBM: JMO, but I am not sure what Raf will do ... it could either way ...
In other words, WHEN -- not IF -- when Raf goes back to :jail: and IF Knox does not go to :jail: Raf needs to "spills his guts" !
See, IF not for Knox, Raf would NOT have been there that night ... Knox is the "pivotal point" -- not Raf, and not Rudy ...
:twocents:
That's one of the most obnoxious bits of drivel I've read lately. Maybe Ms. Churcher has a bit of bias her own self.':facepalm:
Unless of course the accused is famous....Americans are easily fooled by the famous persona of "stars" and manipulated by the teams of spin doctors and high priced tv personality defense lawyers.
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This is what I think will happen: RS will wait for the verdict to be approved and signed off by the Supreme Court. He will wait until any appeals are denied. For example, people suggest on here from time to time that they can appeal to some European Council or something like that? Anyway, after all appeals are over with, and if Amanda is not going to prison or already in prison with him by that time - he is going to then release a letter to the media. He is going to do it in a very Rudy-like fashion, meaning he will absolve himself of any wrong-doing, while still spilling the beans on what happened. But he will just take himself out of the equation, and leave it at Amanda and Rudy.
One way I have thought of, is he might go to his "load of rubbish" story and say that he was at his house the whole time. That Amanda wanted to do a prank on Meredith, he was tired and didn't really feel like it, so she said she would ask that guy Rudy from the basketball courts. She left with her burglar costume (mask, gloves, and whatever else), and she took his butcher knife as a prop.
He stayed at home and watched Naruto.
Suddenly, Amanda runs in hysterical. She has blood on her pants, she is crying hysterically. She said she accidentally struck Meredith with the knife. She said she and Rudy didn't know what to do. They had to stab her more to make it look like someone else did it intentionally. She was so hysterical and crying.
RS tells her everything will be ok, but you need to call police right now. She refuses, she says how can she call police, they'll know she did it? Besides, Meredith is already dead....what good would calling the police do now??
She says she has to clean up and go back to the cottage to try to remove any evidence there is of her. She asks Raffaele to join her, but he can't. He tells her he won't get involved in something like this. He promises her that he won't call the police or tell anyone, as long as she doesn't involve him in any of this. They agree to this.
Amanda cleans up and takes some cleaning stuff with her and goes back to the cottage.
RS waits at his place, frantically waiting. He tries to lay down, but he's very restless, he just paces back and forth in his house.
Finally, Amanda comes back at around 5:30. She is exhausted, he can tell she doesn't want to talk, and she turns on some music to relax her. She sleeps for a couple of hours, and then they discuss their plan and what they are going to tell everyone and what they are going to tell police.
etc., etc..
In these interviews, they never ask any detailed questions anyway. He can get away, IMO, with making up a story like that because no one will question him about the details since he will not be doing it in a court of law. You know, in the interviews they always ask generic-type questions and RS and Amanda probably give them list ahead of time of which questions they won't answer. That's how these interviews work. That's why we get no real information from them.
Who is Ms Churcher?
Is that some sort of slur against the victim?
isn't this mark waterbury's theory, not moore's? http://www.sciencespheres.com/2010/04/inevitable-unexpected-and-theory-of.html
The author of the article?
I have to say, that's quite a leap, imo, to suggest that it was a slur against the victim. Who would have bias in writing an article but its author? And why would I refer to the deceased in the present tense to say she has bias? For that matter, why would anyone assume I was slurring Meredith? Because my posts indicate I don't think Knox was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, ergo I MUST disrespect the victim?
They did; as well as reading Dr. Galati's critique of all the Hellmann points, in his appeal to the Supreme Court of Cassation.Did the Supreme Court that annulled the Hellman verdict (or appeal) read both the Hellman report and the Massei report?
Did the Supreme Court that annulled the Hellman verdict (or appeal) read both the Hellman report and the Massei report?