Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

[SMK]

Oh, good grief....what now? @ Yellow: Looks like your words were prophetic:

Amanda Knox case judge lambasted by Raffaele Sollecito's lawyers for remarks

Alessandro Nencini, who reinstated murder convictions of American and former boyfriend, could face disciplinary action

The Judge who reinstated Amanda Knox's conviction for the murder of Meredith Kercher has been criticised by her co-accused's defence lawyers after he commented publicly on the case in a way they claimed was "unacceptable" and could lead to disciplinary action.

Alessandro Nencini, who on Thursday sentenced Knox to 28-and-a-half years and her ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito to 25 years in prison for the British student's killing, gave an interview to three Italian newspapers on Saturday in which he touched on Sollecito's defence strategy and the case itself.

The remarks, which are unusual in a country where courts do not generally comment on cases before publishing their written reasoning, were reportedly described as "inopportune" by the chairman of the judges' governing body, the CSM.

But Sollecito's lawyers went further, saying they were appalled by the judge's words, with one saying the CSM should not only consider bringing disciplinary action against him but also question the legitimacy of the verdict itself.

"The conviction is the result of a clear bias on the part of the judges against the defendants, and in particular against Raffaele Sollecito, and that interview proves it," defence lawyer Luca Maori told Corriere della Sera.

Maori said Sollecito's legal team would consult him on Monday about what action to take. They and Knox's lawyers have said they will appeal against the verdict, which will take the case once again before Italy's highest court, the court of cassation.

It is able to quash a lower court's verdict if it finds errors of law were made, as it did last March when it annulled the pair's 2011 acquittals and ordered the Florence appeals court to retry the appeal.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/02/amanda-knox-judge-raffaele-sollecito-lawyers-remarks

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's really not a losing argument. There isn't any evidence that implicates AK and RS being in the hallway. At the trial, it was stated that the tests were negative. If AK cleaned the hallway and was an accomplice of RG, why would RG allow her to leave his footprints? That doesn't make any sense.

Whose footprints do you believe them to be and what made those footprints react to luminol???


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[Myvice]

bumping my question






yet RS is a heinous killer, right? why was he not immediately arrested and thrown back into jail on the 30th, being such a threat to society, after a murder conviction no less? especially since PL was considered the same and immediately arrested and thrown into jail [with no real evidence against him]?

seems italy has a hard time deciding "danger to society" :jail:
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Respectfully snipped by me:

Considering the cops had marked RS's passport within hours of the verdict despite him leaving town, I'm guessing they have a pretty good eye on him.

As far as AK, maybe they feel that some Americans deserve to have a murderer walking their streets. JMO

 

[ashleigh_schwartz]

IMO Rudy bolted...straight out the door from the bedroom. He never went into the bathroom Knox shared with Meredith. IMO I do not believe Rudy hung around and helped with the staging.


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In order for that scenario to be true, they would have had to selectively rid of the evidence, but that is physically impossible unless they had some magical "Clorox selective formula bleach." It's no coincidence that there is no evidence that even puts AK and RS in the hallway in the first place.

Sorry. But I just do not buy it, especially for two people who would have murdered for the first time.

I think Rudy acted alone.

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/02/amanda-knox-judge-raffaele-sollecito-lawyers-remarks

Sounds like the defense of RS is grasping at straws.
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[ashleigh_schwartz]

IMO Rudy bolted...straight out the door from the bedroom. He never went into the bathroom Knox shared with Meredith. IMO I do not believe Rudy hung around and helped with the staging.


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I accidentally posted twice.

Anyway, this is pointless arguing because I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

It seems Sollecito is fighting it, too, and IMO the evidence implicates him the least, so he ought to.

 

[Linda7NJ]

In order for that scenario to be true, they would have had to selectively rid of the evidence, but that is physically impossible unless they had some magical "Clorox selective formula bleach." It's no coincidence that there is no evidence that even puts AK and RS in the hallway in the first place.



Sorry. But I just do not buy it, especially for two people who would have murdered for the first time.



I think Rudy acted alone.

Whose footprints do you believe them to be and what made those footprints react to luminol???


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[SMK]

Sounds like the defense of RS is grasping at straws.
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I sure hope so -

Look at the Daily Mail:

Amanda Knox's conviction could be QUASHED after judge talked to the media about verdict

Chief judge Alessandro Nencini showed ‘clear evidence of prejudice’

Judge said he believed murder would 'never have happened without her'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vealing-interviews-verdict.html#ixzz2sDMYe4v4

 

[Linda7NJ]

In order for that scenario to be true, they would have had to selectively rid of the evidence, but that is physically impossible unless they had some magical "Clorox selective formula bleach." It's no coincidence that there is no evidence that even puts AK and RS in the hallway in the first place.



Sorry. But I just do not buy it, especially for two people who would have murdered for the first time.



I think Rudy acted alone.

Who do you believe locked Meredith's door and how was that accomplished?
How did Meredith's blood get in the bathroom?
Who left the footprint on the bath mat?
Who left those other smaller footprints in the hallway that reacted to luminol?


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[ashleigh_schwartz]

Whose footprints do you believe them to be and what made those footprints react to luminol???


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I don't know, but until there is evidence that AK or RS were even in the hallway, it is nothing but speculation, and I stand by my word.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I sure hope so -

Look at the Daily Mail:




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vealing-interviews-verdict.html#ixzz2sDMYe4v4

I would agree. IMO it was the perfect storm. Without all of them..IMO it wouldn't have happened.
But playing the "what if" game is fruitless and a waste of time.


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[SMK]

I would agree. IMO it was the perfect storm. Without all of them..IMO it wouldn't have happened.
But playing the "what if" game is fruitless and a waste of time.


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I just wonder if Sollecito's attorneys can make Nencini's remarks compromise the ruling......

 

[ashleigh_schwartz]

Who do you believe locked Meredith's door and how was that accomplished?
How did Meredith's blood get in the bathroom?
Who left the footprint on the bath mat?
Who left those other smaller footprints in the hallway that reacted to luminol?


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It is possible that AK was in the apartment sometime before Meredith was murdered and that could easily explain footprints that miraculously contained no blood. However, there is absolutely no evidence that AK was in the hallway at the time of the murder and it has absolutely not been proven with certainty, so no dice.

Couldn't Rudy have locked it from the inside and just shut the door on his way out? Even if he couldn't, you can easily lock a door from the outside without having to turn around and face it. Turning your torso with your feet in place doesn't make forward-facing footprints.

Therefore, I am still not convinced and it has definitely not been proven BARD. If you have to speculate, without evidence, to even get them in the hallway and at the crime scene, it's not BARD.

I don't know if AK and RS are completely "innocent," but they have definitely not been proven guilty and should not be imprisoned based on this "evidence."

BTW I find it irritating how you have not once answered my question - why would AK and RS murder Kercher with RG?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I just wonder if Sollecito's attorneys can make Nencini's remarks compromise the ruling......

Nahhhh


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[otto]

Oh, good grief....what now? @ Yellow: Looks like your words were prophetic:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/02/amanda-knox-judge-raffaele-sollecito-lawyers-remarks

Hellman spoke to the media immediately after that appeal. I don't recall any complaints from the defense or the prosecution at that time.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It is possible that AK was in the apartment sometime before Meredith was murdered and that could easily explain footprints that miraculously contained no blood. However, there is absolutely no evidence that AK was in the hallway at the time of the murder and it has absolutely not been proven with certainty, so no dice.



Couldn't Rudy have locked it from the inside and just shut the door on his way out? Even if he couldn't, you can easily lock a door from the outside without having to turn around and face it. Turning your torso with your feet in place doesn't make forward-facing footprints.



Therefore, I am still not convinced and it has definitely not been proven BARD. If you have to speculate, without evidence, to even get them in the hallway and at the crime scene, it's not BARD.



I don't know if AK and RS are completely "innocent," but they have definitely not been proven guilty and should not be imprisoned based on this "evidence."

IMO it's far beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless Amanda Knox can fly and had soaked her feet in beat pulp that night.




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[SMK]

Hellman spoke to the media immediately after that appeal. I don't recall any complaints from the defense or the prosecution at that time.

Well, they are talking about disciplinary action against Nencini (Sollecito attorneys) ....I guess I take them too seriously.....aargh...

 

[ashleigh_schwartz]

IMO it's far beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless Amanda Knox can fly and had soaked her feet in beat pulp that night.




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It isn't far beyond a reasonable doubt. You don't have evidence that they were in the hallway or even at the crime scene (Meredith's bedroom). There isn't even a murder weapon. Sorry, but I think it's insane to claim that they are absolutely guilty. If they were, you wouldn't even have to ask questions or speculate. No one speculates about Guede being there and committing the murder because the evidence is concrete. Not the same for AK and RS.

Not to mention, you have, not once, answered my question about why AK and RS would team up with RG to murder MK.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It is possible that AK was in the apartment sometime before Meredith was murdered and that could easily explain footprints that miraculously contained no blood. However, there is absolutely no evidence that AK was in the hallway at the time of the murder and it has absolutely not been proven with certainty, so no dice.

Couldn't Rudy have locked it from the inside and just shut the door on his way out? Even if he couldn't, you can easily lock a door from the outside without having to turn around and face it. Turning your torso with your feet in place doesn't make forward-facing footprints.

Therefore, I am still not convinced and it has definitely not been proven BARD. If you have to speculate, without evidence, to even get them in the hallway and at the crime scene, it's not BARD.

I don't know if AK and RS are completely "innocent," but they have definitely not been proven guilty and should not be imprisoned based on this "evidence."

BTW I find it irritating how you have not once answered my question - why would AK and RS murder Kercher with RG?

Sorry, I don't mean to ignore or irritate you. I've stated many many times here that I have no idea what the motive was and I'm uncomfortable guessing. No one ever knows what goes on in a killers head. Murder hardly ever makes any sense to me. Jealousy? Got carried away? Heavy mind altering drugs? I have no idea.
It's usually one of these...greed, revenge, jealously, thrill, conceal another crime...pick one.





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[Myvice]

It isn't far beyond a reasonable doubt. You don't have evidence that they were in the hallway or even at the crime scene (Meredith's bedroom). There isn't even a murder weapon. Sorry, but I think it's insane to claim that they are absolutely guilty. If they were, you wouldn't even have to ask questions or speculate. No one speculates about Guede being there and committing the murder because the evidence is concrete. Not the same for AK and RS.

Not to mention, you have, not once, answered my question about why AK and RS would team up with RG to murder MK.

Out of curiosity, if you don't believe the freshly scrubbed knife from RS's flat was the murder weapon, why do you think he told a lie about pricking MK with it while she was eating with them at his home?