Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#5

[SMK]

I've seen that Luca told her in the car a few times tonight but I still haven't seen where that's coming from. It would be so helpful if you could post a link. I'd not heard this before. TIA

I found it in the Follain book on Google books. I googled something to the effect "Knox and Sollecito given crime details in car" and found this paragraph about Luca the forensic pathologist giving the 2 a ride, and giving them details. I am not certain of the page #; the page came up on the search. Will try and find it. p 83 Follain A Death in Itay

 

[Amber29]

I found it in the Follain book on Google books. I googled something to the effect "Knox and Sollecito given crime details in car" and found this paragraph about Luca the forensic pathologist giving the 2 a ride, and giving them details. I am not certain of the page #; the page came up on the search. Will try and find it.

I don't think luca the pathologists gave them a ride. He would've been at the house many hours that day as Meredith wasn't moved until late into the night. They rode in the car with Luca A Filomenas friend to the police station.

There are at least 3 Luca's in this case

 

[Amber29]

Also Follain talks about the 2 blonde hairs that were found on Meredith and lost.

There were fibers found on her body too but there was also hair.

 

[SMK]

I don't think luca the pathologists gave them a ride. He would've been at the house many hours that day as Meredith wasn't moved until late into the night. They rode in the car with Luca A Filomenas friend to the police station.

There are at least 3 Luca's in this case

Well, let me check the Follain - I could have sworn it was the forensic pathologist. Hang on.
ETA: Maybe you're right; I may have had the wrong Luca. p 83 Follain A Death in Itay

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Well, let me check the Follain - I could have sworn it was the forensic pathologist. Hang on.

See also comment #605.

 

[SMK]

p 83 Follain A Death in Itay I may have had the wrong Luca ( the forensic pathologist) But some Luca did in fact give them details of the crime in the car (see Follain page 83)

 

[SMK]

See also comment #605.

Thanks- OK, that is the Dempsey text. Says the same about RS and AK being given details of the murder by a Luca.

 

[SMK]

I was not getting much of anything from Andrea Vogt's tweets (she seems busy with other cases;

I am sure she will post a page update later).

But TJMK has a lot of twitter updates:
(the lone wolf theory is being called 'untenable'; the lamp, the locked door, and Knox recalling scream are being discussed.)

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...d_prosecutor_alessandro_crini_summarises_the/

 

[Yellow]

The mystery groove that no one but Stefanoni can see? Even if it were real, the groove would not protect cells against osmotic shock from water-based cleaning solutions. In addition, the profile does not look degraded (showing a pronounced slope from left to right in the egram).

Low template DNA profiles should only be generated in purpose-built facilities: “Very few laboratories perform low template DNA typing properly, because it requires dedicated facilities and great experience, although there are several published methods for the interpretation of such profiles [80-82].”

How is it possible to clean blood from a knife but not to clean starch or DNA in two places? I have been asking variations of this question for almost four years, and I still have not heard a good answer.

I have just been writing in this forum for the past week and have asked this question at least a half dozen times but no one answers that.

Moreover, how could something be the murder weapon yet the wounds not match? Even if a second knife was used, it would still match some wounds.

What did the prosecutor do to PROVE that it is the murder weapon? They need to prove blood or if no blood show evidence of bleach and then explain how blood DNA could disappear while still leaving low copy DNA

Also there should have been low copy DNA at least all over that blade.

 

[aa9511]

Ongoing Trial

La Nazione ‏@qn_lanazione 4m
Meredith trial, Prosecutor Crini: "Do not atomize, but bring together all the elements of the process"

La Nazione ‏@qn_lanazione 4s
Meredith trial, Prosecutor Crini addresses the issue of Knox and Sollecito's alibis, on whether or not they were present at the crime scene

Machiavelli ‏@Machiavelli_Aki 8m
Crini attacks the method of logic reasoning of annulled appeal, parcelling out evidence, parrots aspects of civil procedure

That doesn't sound good for Sollecito and Knox.

Is this from today?

 

[SMK]

Is this from today?

Yes; here are excellent prosecution update tweets:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...d_prosecutor_alessandro_crini_summarises_the/

 

[Yellow]

BBM

DNA tested by Dr Stefanoni appears to be part of the original trial that led to the conviction of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito for murder in Perugia, Italy.

Are we back to the low copy number DNA sample that was larger than the recent sample placing the murder weapon in Knox's hands.

Who cares which is bigger or smaller. If the testing was done by a method not supported by the scientific community it should be thrown out. No court is going to want to uphold that precedent that unreliable DNA testing can be used to take away someone's liberties.

They at least needed to prove more low carbon DNA and that did not work out for them. They should just give up on a DNA argument at this point and let the jury rule on a weak circumstantial case. No higher court and especially the European court of justice or a US court hearing an extradiction request is going to send her back if the DNA was collected using methods discredited by the scientific community.

 

[aa9511]

From Candace Dempsey's Murder in Italy, pp. 77-78, this takes place in the car on the way to the station on the afternoon of 2 November. “ Then Raffaele started asking Luca and Paola questions. Was Meredith dead? How did she die? What had they seen? Then Raffaele passed the information along to Amanda in his garbled English. He told her Meredith’s throat had been cut.” Dempsey goes on to credit Frank Sfarzo for reporting about this at Perugia-Shock, including the fact that Amanda cried during the conversation.

If this is true, this is what it sounds like to me: Raffaelo was trying to get as much information about what the policia/cabinieri had seen or knew, so they could guage what their own response would be to initial questioning. It's what guilty people do - try to find out what others know about the crime. Walks like guilty, talks like guilty, is guilty.

 

[Yellow]

It is very odd. As a roommate, even if she was unable to attend the Memorial Service due to "helping police", she should have made time to express condolances to the victim's family ... or was she too immature to do this too?

If your friend was murdered and you believed the killer was on the loose, as a single female would you troll around Perugia at night. I would not, RS could not go bc I think a class or something and Ak did not want to go alone

Would you go somewhere where you know everyone would gawk and read into your every move?most would not,

Also many of mK British friends hightailed themselves out of there and went back to England maybe bc they were afraid

 

[aa9511]

@Otto

Have you ever read anything that ,even for the briefest moment, gave you pause? Anything that made you even a little bit uncomfortable about your assertion that they are guilty?

This question could be posed to any number of posters on here in the "not guilty" category as well.

 

[aa9511]

I found it in the Follain book on Google books. I googled something to the effect "Knox and Sollecito given crime details in car" and found this paragraph about Luca the forensic pathologist giving the 2 a ride, and giving them details. I am not certain of the page #; the page came up on the search. Will try and find it. p 83 Follain A Death in Itay

SMK, please read my post from above. What is sounds like is, Raffaelo was asking a lot of questions in the car pertaining to details of how her body was found and how she was killed. Guilty people usually want to know what others (namely, investigators/police) know of the details of the crime so they can know what to say and what not to say generally and in questioning.

 

[aa9511]

I don't think luca the pathologists gave them a ride. He would've been at the house many hours that day as Meredith wasn't moved until late into the night. They rode in the car with Luca A Filomenas friend to the police station.

There are at least 3 Luca's in this case

Yes, I believe it was Luca the friend, from other posts upthread. That makes a lot of sense, as questioning a "friend" about the details of the crime is a lot less risky than questioning police as asking a lot of questions of the police makes one look suspicious. The "friend" was an easy way to gather information. Which is what both RS and Amanda were doing. Her supposed tears were crocodile tears, IMO.

 

[aa9511]

I have just been writing in this forum for the past week and have asked this question at least a half dozen times but no one answers that.

Moreover, how could something be the murder weapon yet the wounds not match? Even if a second knife was used, it would still match some wounds.

What did the prosecutor do to PROVE that it is the murder weapon? They need to prove blood or if no blood show evidence of bleach and then explain how blood DNA could disappear while still leaving low copy DNA

Also there should have been low copy DNA at least all over that blade.

IF there is no murder weapon, does that mean they couldn't charge Rudy either?? It happens probably in 99.9% of the cases that the murder weapon is never recovered! Just because there might or might not be any murder knife recovered, does not mean that Meredith wasn't stabbed and killed!!

 

[Amber29]

I have just been writing in this forum for the past week and have asked this question at least a half dozen times but no one answers that.

Moreover, how could something be the murder weapon yet the wounds not match? Even if a second knife was used, it would still match some wounds.

What did the prosecutor do to PROVE that it is the murder weapon? They need to prove blood or if no blood show evidence of bleach and then explain how blood DNA could disappear while still leaving low copy DNA

Also there should have been low copy DNA at least all over that blade.

I'm thinking it was attributed to the largest cut on her neck. They say 2 knifes were used based on the different wounds and that the assault seemed to come from the right and the left. IIRC

I don't think what you assume should be there matters. I assume there should be RGs DNA in the small bathroom where he supposedly washed himself and there's not but what do I know.

Do you have the ME report saying the knife is not consistent?

 

[Yellow]

IF there is no murder weapon, does that mean they couldn't charge Rudy either?? It happens probably in 99.9% of the cases that the murder weapon is never recovered! Just because there might or might not be any murder knife recovered, does not mean that Meredith wasn't stabbed and killed!!

Key difference : RG DNA was all over that room, on body, etc, AK and RS DNA is not in murderroom- there is no proof they stabbed anyone nor is there proof beyond a reasonable doubt they were even in that cottage that night.

As I reiterated many times, of course you do not need a murder weapon. Look at scott Peterson. But when you have a weak circumstantial case w no weapon, no motive, no forensics linking the two to an actual crime (instead of just being in the house at some unknown time) the murder weapon would bring you over on reasonable doubt. The Supreme Court even said that the testing would be decisive. They did the new testing, it did not go the way the prosecution hoped.

Hopefully the appellate court will come to the right decision.