Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Mica]

Comparing left eye to left eye, IMO in the following pic, both left eyes of Jaz (pic 2) and Amy (pic 4) look the same:

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(image from http://www.hyscience.com/archives/amy_bradley2.jpg)

Also, appearance can change depending on angle of the pic, makeup application (eyeliner, highlighter), tiredness, weight loss/gain (retaining water).

It's been a while so I could be wrong, but didn't the Bradleys themselves believe the pics of Jaz are in fact Amy?

Yes, the Bradleys believed the photos of Jas were Amy.


Dr. Phil says, “I want to show you this picture of who may very well be Amy Bradley seven years after her disappearance. Now I want to emphasize that we discussed whether we should show this picture on the air with former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt who has worked on many kidnapping cases. Now, Ron and Clint both agree that because this is the first lead that they’ve had in nearly eight years, he and Iva would like to show this picture in case this young woman is indeed Amy. Now, we have had top forensic artist experts in the country look at these pictures, and they say that it is possible that it could be Amy.

“I’ll tell you what. Why don’t we go through the features that the experts have picked out? Now first we want to look at the cheekbones here. And what they do is they measure things that don’t change in time.” Dr. Phil points out similarities in her cheekbones, her hairline, her chin, and even a mark that Iva pointed out, a freckle below her eye.

“Do you believe that could be your daughter?” Dr. Phil asks Iva.

“I believe it could be Amy,” she responds.

https://www.drphil.com/slideshows/the-search-for-natalee-amy-bradley/

 

[bears10]

Comparing left eye to left eye, IMO in the following pic, both left eyes of Jas (pic 2) and Amy (pic 4) look the same:

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(image from http://www.hyscience.com/archives/amy_bradley2.jpg)

Also, appearance can change depending on angle of the pic, makeup application (eyeliner, highlighter), tiredness, weight loss/gain (retaining water).

It's been a while so I could be wrong, but didn't the Bradleys themselves believe the pics of Jas are in fact Amy?

Respectfully, Johnny goshs mom also believes the infamous pics are of Johnny, yet many disagree. Same with Tara calicos mom. Some parents cling to hope their children are alive, even if it means their child is going through horrific abuse.

 

[Kankan]

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I&#8217;m still very up in the air. I think there&#8217;s a real possibility that she went overboard on accident or by force. I also feel there&#8217;s a real possibility she was taken off the boat. Unless she is found or her remains are found it&#8217;s all just an educated guess. I don&#8217;t think feeling one way or another should make people hesitant to post their opinion.

 

[JSolt1210]

What about this photo that was taken at Carlos and Charlie’s which has a woman in the background who looks very similar to “jas”? Imo

Oh wow... yeah I’d have to say I definitely see the resemblance...



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[CoolJ]

Oh wow... yeah I&#8217;d have to say I definitely see the resemblance...



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Wow, actually looking at this comparison really highlights for me how similar jas and Amy look. That picture(which comes from an anonymous person on another website btw) looks nothing like Amy or jas

 

[Sillybilly]

Please no personalizing or bickering on the thread. The thread exists to discuss Amy's case, not to complain to each other or about each other or to discuss PMs. If you have a complaint, use the Alert feature to let us know and we will review it.

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Hey Everyone,

This thread is very old. The rules that have applied in the past may not apply today.

Feel free to discuss the theory that Amy might have been thrown overboard deliberately or maybe she went overboard alone either by suicide or accident.

You all are discussing the sex trade possibility which is fine.

We did have one verified insider who is no longer verified or even a member of Websleuths.

If you have any questions please alert on a post and put your question in the alert box.

Thank you,
Tricia

As per Tricia's post, members are free to discuss an overboard scenario.

 

[neesaki]

Wow, actually looking at this comparison really highlights for me how similar jas and Amy look. That picture(which comes from an anonymous person on another website btw) looks nothing like Amy or jas

Exactly, this anonymous woman on the left has a much longer face, nothing else is even close.

 

[Tssiemer]

Exactly, this anonymous woman on the left has a much longer face, nothing else is even close.

Her teeth and nose are different too. The only thing that’s remotely similar is the contoured make up and bronzer.


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[neesaki]

Her teeth and nose are different too. The only thing that&#8217;s remotely similar is the contoured make up and bronzer.


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ITA, all different....and good point, eye makeup can certainly totally change the contour of the eye area which can make a huge difference. . Great observations, thank you, Tssiemer.

 

[U2forever]

Yes.

I think it's entirely possible she fell overboard. Wasn't the Titanic pretty popular right around that time? I could picture a drunk Amy trying to recreate the "I'm the king of the world!" scene and toppling over. Anything's possible!

Welp, TTF14, you know what they say, great minds think alike. Thanks for posting b/c I would have never admitted to thinking of the Titanic pose and I feel much better about my secret now. :blushing: eace:

 

[Hiandmighty]

Welp, TTF14, you know what they say, great minds think alike. Thanks for posting b/c I would have never admitted to thinking of the Titanic pose and I feel much better about my secret now. :blushing: eace:

I&#8217;ll take a photo when I see someone doing it on my cruise lol.

 

[jashrema]

That pic of the woman in the bar has NEVER been identified as "Jas". IMO, people should be careful about what is posted being "fact" before everyone goes down that rabbit hole.

Those of us that have been around since Amy disappeared remember the facts, and have corresponding files saved. It doesn't do anyone any good when something is identifed as "fact" when it is not, or from a so-called source that is not even close.

This is the floor plan of Amy's room that she shared with her parents and brother. I had this saved from 15 years ago. As people can see, there are TWO doors off the balcony. One goes thru the parents room, one goes thru the other side. Personally, I think far to much time has been spent going over "WHY" her dad or mom didn't wake up when she passed thru the room. What difference does that make anyway?


This is a pic of a duplicate of the suite she was in (it could be the actual suite, I'm unsure now as this pic is 15 years old too)



This is a pic of Amy's sightings. San Francisco is not on here but only the Caribbean.



This is a pic of the ship unloading. Notice how it unloads right onto the street. Somebody could be off and GONE into the crowds of the port in minutes.

 

[jashrema]

This is a pic of Eduardo Cabrita that was the waiter paying undue attention to Amy and asking her to go to Carlos & Charlies. The Bradleys stated at the time they were uncomfortable with him and Amy thought he was creepy. Crew are not allowed to fraternize with guests. Also, Iva has stated that in retrospect, she believes the plan was to kidnap amy out of C & C if she would have gone.



This is pic of sketches made of men by the FBI. If the FBI sends and makes sketches, they consider that to be a valid sighting. They would not wasted their time otherwise. The man on the left was seen with her in the bathroom in Barbados, the 2 on the right were seen with her in San Francisco. Frankly, I think the man on the left bears a striking resemblance to Cabrita




This is a map of where the Hotel was at that the Petty Officer saw her in and the distance from port. The petty officer was a valid and confirmed sighting that was taken seriously by the feds. I seem to recall that the Petty Officer was guilt-stricken and horrified when he saw Amy's pic on People magazine and realized that it was her he had seen and did nothing to help.



We have to remember how old this case is BUT the FBI, in March of 2018, released a new video asking for tips and made it clear that it is STILL an ongoing investigation. They do not do that if they for any reason, believe that it is a voluntary missing, or suicide. The FBI does not waste resources for 20 years doing sketches, releasing sightings, or asking for help from the public as recently as 60 DAYS AGO if they do not believe that they could "shake something loose".
We also have to remember the initial facts. NOT lies in a lawsuit (I know there was some consternation about the Bradley's "lying" about witnesses because it was said so in the lawsuit. You must look at the lawsuit in perspective. it was RC that trotted out witnesses to dispute what the Bradley's were saying. The Bradley's had NO idea that RC had even "found" any witnesses. Then RC used their "just discovered witnesses" to discredit the Bradley's and say they were lying. WHY did the Bradley's not know about these witnesses? My opinion? Because RC bought and paid for them.) RC played down and dirty, they went on attack, as witnessed by that it is actually being discussed that there was a "footprint" found on the table. There was NO footprint, that was said by RC, and then retracted. The FBI did not comment because they DO NOT COMMENT on active investigations!
Am I going to believe the Bradley's or RC? Please. No contest.
The wayback machine is useful as is a subscription to papers, but in lieu of those things...many direct articles and statements have been lost. As I said, these pics are pics I have saved for YEARS.

Per the Bradley's, Amy left that room with only her cigarettes and NO SHOES. They believe she was runniing up to get a coffee or something and maybe to watch the ship dock. She did NOT have a passport on her so for her to just walk off the ship would NOT have happened because there is no corresponding verification of her passport details. She had no passport!

I have an old time line from 20 years ago that I will search for also. It goes from when she went missing, to sightings, to locations, and to when pics appeared on website.

 

[jashrema]

Another thing that I'd like to say is this "partying" aspect that Brad and Amy were doing. There is absolutely NO evidence, NO statement from the Bradley's or anyone else (except maybe RC) that Amy was drunk.
Back then, the term "partying" had a very different connotation than it does today.
Why is everyone so intent on saying she was drunk or drugs?

 

[Tssiemer]

Jash you are such an asset to this case and websleuths. I wish I could have been there for JDW’s trial.


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[Mica]

This is a pic of Eduardo Cabrita that was the waiter paying undue attention to Amy and asking her to go to Carlos & Charlies. The Bradleys stated at the time they were uncomfortable with him and Amy thought he was creepy. Crew are not allowed to fraternize with guests. Also, Iva has stated that in retrospect, she believes the plan was to kidnap amy out of C & C if she would have gone.
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This is pic of sketches made of men by the FBI. If the FBI sends and makes sketches, they consider that to be a valid sighting. They would not wasted their time otherwise. The man on the left was seen with her in the bathroom in Barbados, the 2 on the right were seen with her in San Francisco. Frankly, I think the man on the left bears a striking resemblance to Cabrita

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This is a map of where the Hotel was at that the Petty Officer saw her in and the distance from port. The petty officer was a valid and confirmed sighting that was taken seriously by the feds. I seem to recall that the Petty Officer was guilt-stricken and horrified when he saw Amy's pic on People magazine and realized that it was her he had seen and did nothing to help.
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We have to remember how old this case is BUT the FBI, in March of 2018, released a new video asking for tips and made it clear that it is STILL an ongoing investigation. They do not do that if they for any reason, believe that it is a voluntary missing, or suicide. The FBI does not waste resources for 20 years doing sketches, releasing sightings, or asking for help from the public as recently as 60 DAYS AGO if they do not believe that they could "shake something loose".
We also have to remember the initial facts. NOT lies in a lawsuit (I know there was some consternation about the Bradley's "lying" about witnesses because it was said so in the lawsuit. You must look at the lawsuit in perspective. it was RC that trotted out witnesses to dispute what the Bradley's were saying. The Bradley's had NO idea that RC had even "found" any witnesses. Then RC used their "just discovered witnesses" to discredit the Bradley's and say they were lying. WHY did the Bradley's not know about these witnesses? My opinion? Because RC bought and paid for them.) RC played down and dirty, they went on attack, as witnessed by that it is actually being discussed that there was a "footprint" found on the table. There was NO footprint, that was said by RC, and then retracted. The FBI did not comment because they DO NOT COMMENT on active investigations!
Am I going to believe the Bradley's or RC? Please. No contest.
The wayback machine is useful as is a subscription to papers, but in lieu of those things...many direct articles and statements have been lost. As I said, these pics are pics I have saved for YEARS.

Per the Bradley's, Amy left that room with only her cigarettes and NO SHOES. They believe she was runniing up to get a coffee or something and maybe to watch the ship dock. She did NOT have a passport on her so for her to just walk off the ship would NOT have happened because there is no corresponding verification of her passport details. She had no passport!

I have an old time line from 20 years ago that I will search for also. It goes from when she went missing, to sightings, to locations, and to when pics appeared on website.

Jashrema, thank you for restating some of the facts and keeping things grounded. Stop in more often to share your wealth of information.


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[jashrema]

March 24, 1998 - Amy disappeared from Rhapsody of the Seas

August, 1998 - Amy was seen at Porto Marie, Curacao

January, 1999 - Amy was seen in an Otrobanda Hotel, Curacao

December, 2002 - Amy's photograph appeared on the AAV website

April 18, 2003 - Amy was seen in San Francisco, California

2004 - 2005 - Amy's photograph appeared on a Venezuelan escort website

March 1, 2005 - Amy was seen in Bridgetown, Barbados

November, 2005 - Amy was seen in a Salinja club, Curacao




New composite and plea from FBI in March 2018.

https://wtop.com/virginia/2018/03/fbi-seeking-leads-in-virginia-womans-98-disappearance/

 

[Mica]

The VI said the forensic artist involved in the comparison of Jaz&#8217;s photos was Wesley Neville. I have no reason to doubt the VI, or any VI who has inside information for that matter.



Translation from Amy Bradley Vanished Part 4
Beginning 5:00 on timestamp


Narrator - After droves of false leads and dashed hopes, the Bradleys want to be 100% sure it&#8217;s really Amy.

Iva Bradley - &#8220;We got in touch with a forensic detective in one of the police departments and he took those pictures (Jaz) and he took Amy&#8217;s pictures and he did overlays.&#8221;

Narrator - The forensic detective determines facial structure, hairline, and multiple ear piercings make the girl in the photo a perfect match for Amy.

Iva - &#8220;He gave us the complete breakdown on it and he said, &#8220;I will tell you, and I will bet my career, that this is Amy.&#8221;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VhHdZAtHG5M

Photo of the forensic detective&#8217;s work screen captured from the Vanished Part 4 episode. It&#8217;s a match to what the VI posted.

 

[jashrema]

Thanks Tracy..you're to sweet. The support thru the trial was awesome but I'm telling you..it stains you. I can't think of a better word. I feel like my soul is stained with something filthy. Just being in the same room with him.

 

[Catmommy]

No shoes. Do people really go barefooted on a cruise ship? To run for coffee or cigarette? Amy and her cigarettes were gone but her shoes were still there. Misadventure overboard. I wonder if any of the presumed shipboard witnesses noticed that she was barefooted. I would have.