Andrew Kinsman, 49, Toronto, 26 June 2017

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Forensics have taped off the street around the house! CP24

I just put CP24 on. I wonder why such a large area (beyond the home being investigated) is taped off? Maybe to keep bystanders/reporters at bay?
 
Thanks Trish! I’ve never heard of this telephone disorder, and I’m a DSM disorder buff! I’m about to google the heck out of it.
 
Okay, so my mind went somewhere... Did BM "talk"? Is the forensic psychiatrist directing LE? Or giving their general guidance of where to look based on patterns/findings/knowledge on this "type" of killer?

They must have reason to believe that there are human remains on/near the property. I saw on tv that the street has been taped off.....large police presence (earlier this evening). I bet the forensic psychiatrist is there to help them figure out how BM 'works' and thinks. IMO

I doubt that BM has spoken to the FP. I suspect he's been doing this for a very long time, why talk so soon after an arrest? He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. i.e. two counts of murder IMO

These types just wait for the police/prosecution to prove it. IMO

But you never know. IMO
 
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That street has a lot of apartment buildings on it, pretty big chance of being seen if the house is beside or close to an apartment building. IMO

I think the backyard goes right into the DV and suspect thats where the remains are....down in the valley. With foliage, he would have the perfect place for *whatever*. <shudderr> IMO
 
I wonder how many Leasiders used his landscaping service and will now need to have it dug up?? ugh
 

Rbbm.Keeping this " type " in mind regarding other missing men. he preferred dark complected men, not necessarily MEastern. imo speculation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/suspect-in-killings-of-toronto-gay-men-had-history-ofviolence/article37759243/

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Nine days ago, just before 9 a.m., Bruce McArthur last logged onto his profile on Recon, a gay fetish dating app.

Under the pseudonym of Silverfox, Mr. McArthur had posted a picture of himself smiling and described himself as someone looking for "submissive men of all ages." He told potential sexual partners that he was looking to "see how much you can take" and "push till you cant take anymore."

Court documents, online records and interviews with people who knew Mr. McArthur reveal the 66-year-old landscaper had a history of combining sex and violence. Peter Sgromo had known Mr. McArthur for more than a decade when Mr. McArthur reached out to him last spring on the Bear411 gay dating app, asking to get together. They agreed to meet at a bar in Toronto's Gay Village, he said. Afterward, they got into the back of Mr. McArthur's van, parked on Church Street.

"It was strange – it was empty. The seats were taken out," Mr. Sgromo recalled. At the very back was a single seat. "It was like this was a little travelling playroom."

He says Mr. McArthur took poppers, amyl nitrate, a drug that provides a temporary rush. The two began to have sex.

But Mr. Sgromo says the interaction turned rough – too rough for his liking. He alleges that Mr. McArthur suddenly grabbed his neck and twisted his head down to his crotch violently. "I wasn't weirded out enough at that point to suspect that I was in any danger," he recalled. "It certainly killed the mood for me. I was kind of surprised."

Every friend or acquaintance of Mr. McArthur's who spoke to The Globe confirmed his taste for darker-skinned men.

Mr. Sgromo said, bluntly, "I'm that type … I'm Italian, but have a lot of Middle Eastern looks."
 
They must have reason to believe that there are human remains on/near the property. I saw on tv that the street has been taped off.....large police presence (earlier this evening). I bet the forensic psychiatrist is there to help them figure out how BM 'works' and thinks. IMO

I doubt that BM has spoken to the FP. I suspect he's been doing this for a very long time, why talk so soon after an arrest? He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. i.e. two counts of murder IMO

These types just wait for the police/prosecution to prove it. IMO

But you never know. IMO
It certainly wouldn't be the first time a serial killer told all and claimed their crimes.
 
You can see in Matous' picture, the house is right beside one of the apartment buildings. I found it on google map but cannot link it.

Not much room between the house being held by TPS and the apartments.
 
Just thought it was an interesting theory about long weekends!
 
Nine days ago, just before 9 a.m., Bruce McArthur last logged onto his profile on Recon, a gay fetish dating app.


Under the pseudonym of Silverfox, Mr. McArthur had posted a picture of himself smiling and described himself as someone looking for "submissive men of all ages." He told potential sexual partners that he was looking to "see how much you can take" and "push till you cant take anymore."


An hour and a half later, Toronto police took Mr. McArthur into custody and charged him with first-degree murder in the deaths of Andrew Kinsman and Selim Esen, who both went missing last year.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...id=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
It certainly wouldn't be the first time a serial killer told all and claimed their crimes.

Just an impression that Ive formed of him, its open to change. ;)

Another arrogant, they'll never catch me kinda guy, I suspect.
 
Afterward, they got into the back of Mr. McArthur's van, parked on Church Street.


"It was strange &#8211; it was empty. The seats were taken out," Mr. Sgromo recalled. At the very back was a single seat. "It was like this was a little travelling playroom."


He says Mr. McArthur took poppers, amyl nitrate, a drug that provides a temporary rush. The two began to have sex.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...id=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
I just put CP24 on. I wonder why such a large area (beyond the home being investigated) is taped off? Maybe to keep bystanders/reporters at bay?


Wonder if there were new sewers or pipes laid in the last couple of years? Maybe they think some body parts are under the roadway?
 
I presume they found some DNA or similar in those plant pots they removed from the Mallory Crescent house.
 
Ok, i have to ask, this is purely nonjudgmental. I am sure only a gay man will be able to answer honestly, so here goes....
Could these deaths be some sort of Erotic Asphixiation gone to far, or is this bloke out for thrill kill only, selecting his type of male preference?
If asphixiation sex, are drugs normally used along with manner of asphixiation (bag/mask/ligature)
If a dating app is used, is erotic asphixiation advertised such as position etc? So could LE define their search better on these sites? Or no? Im assuming asphixiation isnt wide spread??
Could BM have been making videos of this?

Hi AddyFinch,
I'm new to this case and have read bits and pieces but I thought that I could reply to this since I am part of the bdsm community. First of all, bdsm's supposed to be "safe, sane and concensual", which means a lot of things, but answers one of your questions. No drugs or alcohol (at least not a high level of alcohol) should be used during bdsm scenes. Why? Because they alter our senses and things can get pretty dangerous if the Dominant is not 100 % aware of what s/he is doing, or if the submissive is not feeling it 100 %.

From my personal observations and experience, erotic asphixiation is not one of the most popular fetishes out there, but some people do enjoy it. The thing is that... it is very dangerous. But yes, it could be advertised in a bdsm dating app. Usually, you have a list of things (most of them directly related to bdsm stuff), and you just check the ones you like, or would like to try one day.

Since I haven't read everything on the case, and about the other men who went missing, I can't say this for sure, but I doubt that the fact that they were into bdsm means that asphixiation was how they were killed. Most of the time, bdsm involves bondage, restraining the other person's movements, blindfolding them, etc. so it makes things easy for someone with bad intentions to just take advantage of the submissive one and do serious harm to them. And, unfortunately, many Dominant men and women are into BDSM for the wrong reasons, and end up harming submissives. And sadly, it sometimes leads to death, also...
 

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