Anthony Family Behaviors...

[Fandy]

Cindy & George have certainly had a lot to deal with and i sympathize with them to a point.

But their anger towards LE will not help their cause. ITA with Icherish and her statement about the vast difference between saying I don't know and until I do, I support my child. Cindy needed to be quieted a month ago while she still had some dignity. She is playing right into the sensationalism of the media.

sometimes I think she is looking for a Lifetime movie deal.

A LOT of time has passed since Caylee was last seen. G&C have had some time to process the events and come to grips with reality. I don't expect them to WANT their daughter charged with murder, but they have to stop with the ridicules statements by now.

 

[txmama]

So, after viewing those lake vaj pics all I can think about is how totally disappointed on so many levels the Anthony's must be in their daughter right now. You know they didn't raise her to behave like that. You add that in with the thought of their dear Caylee being dead and that their daughter probably caused it...WOW. I think I'd probably be in a big ol' state of denial too.

 

[cali_mommy]

I'am sorry, but the day I seen Cindy on tv screaming at people to get off their a$$ and find her grandaughter, I lost ALL respect for her.

 

[JustJax]

Just the fact that George just said to the media that he doesn't think the body that was in the trunk was Caylee's make me scratch my head. To my knowledge, there are no other missing persons connected with the Anthony family or friends. So....unless it was a homeless person who crawled into Casey's trunk and died...

I really think the family is going to go against every piece of evidence and theory that points a finger at Casey. Which is odd since before this case became so huge, they were all suspecting Casey of doing something bad to their grandchild/niece. No idea why they all of a sudden changed their minds.

Any thoughts?

I don't know what to think anymore. Yesterday I was watching a video of Cindy chastizing the media for being outside her home and NOT out looking for her grandaughter and then there is George fertilizing his front yard. Did she get on him for not being out looking??

 

[Brini]

I grew up in a family where my mom said that if I ever landed in jail I was on my own. I can understand unconditional love, but children need to be taught to take responsibility for their actions.

I don't hate George and Cindy. I feel sorry for them.

Exactly. Constantly enabling and covering for the child does not help them to grow up. The parents have, apparently, been covering her thefts from their own funds for years. She has been allowed to lie, and has not been expected to assumed adult behaviors or responsibilities.

Judge Mathis said that HE decided to grow up when his Mom had enough of it. She gave him a dose of tough love. She put a sign on the house that said, "No Thugs Allowed," and as if age 18, he could not sleep there, when he was still getting into trouble. He was also told that when he got arrested (five times) he could SIT in jail. Period.

He finally chose to act like an adult. He ended up the youngest judge ever to be appointed to the MI courts.

So, because his Mom refused to enable him, he went from the wrong side of the bench to the right side of the bench.

 

[Brini]

So, after viewing those lake vaj pics all I can think about is how totally disappointed on so many levels the Anthony's must be in their daughter right now. You know they didn't raise her to behave like that. You add that in with the thought of their dear Caylee being dead and that their daughter probably caused it...WOW. I think I'd probably be in a big ol' state of denial too.

They have been enabling her for a LONG time. According to her friends, she has been lying and stealing for years, and the folks cover for her. So, in a way, they DID raise her to be like that.

If I was stealing, I would HOPE the cops got me before my parents did! And, lying wasn't tolerated, either.

 

[Brini]

I don't know what to think anymore. Yesterday I was watching a video of Cindy chastizing the media for being outside her home and NOT out looking for her grandaughter and then there is George fertilizing his front yard. Did she get on him for not being out looking??

..and you haven't seen Cindy leave home to search, either.

 

[Brini]

I'am sorry, but the day I seen Cindy on tv screaming at people to get off their a$$ and find her grandaughter, I lost ALL respect for her.

Yes, Greta confronted her and said, "YOU get off your *advertiser censored* and get Caylee's whereabouts from your daughter!"

 

[Brini]

I don't want to see her "spill her guts" either. But there is a vast difference between a parent who says "I don't know and until I know I will believe my daughter) to one that aggressively attacks law enforcement ("Get off your d*mn *sses") and calls the media she also coveted "maggots, leeches and parasites". If you watch the media she's done she gets SNIPPY and P*SSY when the conversation does not go exactly her way. She is her own worst enemy. I think their family should have had a real spokesperson from the get-go.

One wag on Fox obsevred, "Six weeks ago, Cindy never met a camera that she didn't like. Now, the media are suddenly maggots, leeches, and parasites."

Why, BTW, would she believe a young woman who was a chronic liar LONG before all this happened?

 

[JustJax]

..and you haven't seen Cindy leave home to search, either.

She didn't have to leave home. All she had to do all last week was to grab ahold of Casey and ask her what she did with Caylee.... not one word was spoken about Caylee according to LP and Cindy herself.

 

[JustJax]

Yes, Greta confronted her and said, "YOU get off your *advertiser censored* and get Caylee's whereabouts from your daughter!"

Did she really???

 

[Brini]

Oh, and Casey reminds me of Elizabeth Diane Downs; remember her?

Ann Rule, "Small Sacrifices?" Every time I see that clip of Casey smiling, as she walks through the door and across the floor as she's being escorted to jail by a prison guard, I think of Diane Downs. She has the same $hit-eating grin Diane had when she got arrested. Also, Diane Downs was diagnosed as a Narcissistic Sociopath...

Diane Downs, Susan Smith.. Casey would fit RIGHT in, but I think the child died accidentally. Casey DOES appear to have the same propensity as the other two "Mommies Dearest" to prioritize men (any men) above their children.

 

[Brini]

I have an aunt and uncle who have done a great job, I think, of loving their son and standing by him...but not standing in the way of justice being served upon him. My cousin murdured a police officer...a father of 4. He will be up for parole soon....25 years.

My aunt and uncle don't go out of their way to talk about him, because they know some of the family will never forgive their son. They don't want to make people uncomfortable. But if asked, they are not ashamed to discuss him. They love him, even though he has done something horrible.

They were pretty indulgent of him when he was a child. Did not set boundaries, etc. They have raised his son since infancy, and he has grown up to be a nice young man.

I really look up to them for how they handled themselves through this, especialy in the early days when the media was hounding them.

Another story...my dad always told me he loved me, but if I was ever arrested, he would leave me in jail. A few weeks ago, he got a collect call from a jail, but hung up. Then he got worried and called my brother and I to see if we were okay! He had started thinking maybe one of his kids needed help (we are 40ish). I laughed and reminded him I knew never to call him if he was arrested, since he'd always told me he wouldn't bail me out!

I know I would still love my daughter, even if she killed her child. But I might have to not see her for a while.

I do think if I was Cindy, I would have said somethign along the lines of "if you don't tell me where Caylee's body is, I really never will forgive you. Now spill it if you want visitors for the next 30 years"

That's also how I would have handled it.

 

[Brini]

With the dynamics going on in that house Casey's self esteem is probably at 0. She was beyond functioning in society, whatever was going on in that house, and only they know, my guess is that Casey was a broken lost soul. Again I don't defend what she did it's just that I have a relative in my family (not this severe of course) that reminds me so much of Casey.

Hello:

The Anthony family dynamics and individual personalities are text-book in many ways. I am just curious about the remark quoted above about Casey's self-esteem being "probably 0." Do you really think so? I am thinking of her self-composure, the way she talks her way out of things, all the photos we've seen, as well as her facebook and myspace posts. Seems to me that her self-esteem is quite high. JMO.

Narcisissm can appear to be self-esteem. I also think her self-esteem is zero, but she's extremely narcisisstic.

 

[Brini]

Legal or not I would have found Casey the first few days, not because of Casey, but because of Caylee.

I have a friend who got word her daughter was holed up in a hotel doing cocaine with some people from out of state. She went to that hotel, and when they would not open the door, she kicked in the door and took her daughter out of there.

Granted, Tennessee, is a different world in some respects, but even with 4 big men and 3 girls in that room they did not offer to step up in her face. She had a gun, but they did not know it...........they just saw in her eyes that she was a mother there with a mission....and.......

EVEN MEAN IS AFRAID OF CRAZY............no one in their right mind would get between a real mother and their child.

It is truly said, "Never get between a lioness and her cub." That statement applies to all species.

 

[Firefly]

IMHO, this family has sold themselves to the devil when they chose to save their daughter. (In the end, Karma will take care of that bad decision) They are in a Catch 22 now. They know Caylee is dead but can't go looking for her while trying to defend the innocence of their living daughter. JB, as a good defense lawyer should, has advised them NOT to apologize for their daughter's actions or explain them away. (He has also told Casey NOT to act guilty.....crying, apologizing, accussing anything, just do nothing at it is the LE's job who has Burden of Proof of her guilt) They can no longer spout that she is a sociopathic liar.....even though they KNOW this to be fact. They need to act as if their child is innocent at every moment of every day in order to save her sorry a$$ from jail/death. They need to throw out as many crazy idea's as to what REALLY happened to Caylee no matter how far fetched it is. It is imperative that they go and accuse the LE of not doing a proper investigation also as this will be the basis for their defense. The LE botched the job......shades of OJ here. All this will be fodder for a defense, with more craziness soon to come that will make our hair curl, with the insane accusations they are going to spill to try to build a case of REASONABLE DOUBT the will be presented to a jury deciding this case.

Geesh, they have already tried to tell the world that someone at the tow yard had housed a dead body in the car at the yard. Crazy, but a possible scenerio that can't be tossed away without the LE having to investigate it to cover themselves.

I wished they would have had the decency of the Hackings and shown Casey love and support if she spoke the truth from the beginning. I personally would have no contact with her if I were them. Casey is loving the support she is getting for lying and this is why she is doing it more. T

 

[LCoastMom]

NOTHING can explain them continuing to use the media to defend Casey & then throw in the typical bash because strangers aren't out their searching for Caylee.

They just will not understand that the PUBLIC has no interest in hearing about Casey & the public is DISGUSTED with the ridiculous fairytale that Casey has good reasons for not being able to tell anyone where to find Caylee.... that when we hear her excuse we'll all be impressed by what a hero she is. :furious:

NOBODY expects them to stop loving Casey. NOBODY expects them to abandon Casey. But NOBODY wants to hear them defending her actions..... Casey is THEIR problem.... THEIR concern.... not ours.

We ONLY want to SEE them taking an ACTIVE interest in finding CAYLEE & not just talking about it. Talk is cheap.

If I were leading a search, at this point the A's are the last people I would want out in the swamps. Caylee was left to the elements all most 3 mos ago. What remains in no way resembles the baby they love. It was probably for her own safety that LE picked up Casey, the only way they will ever know what happen to Caylee is if Casey 'finds God' in prison and desides to spill.

raying:

 

[Oakley]

Narcisissm can appear to be self-esteem. I also think her self-esteem is zero, but she's extremely narcisisstic.

If her "self-esteem" is 0, (meaning she doesn't esteem herself at all, right?)
then - wouldn't she have more concern for her child?

I contend that she esteems herself plenty - too much in fact.
JMHO

 

[LCoastMom]

They have been enabling her for a LONG time. According to her friends, she has been lying and stealing for years, and the folks cover for her. So, in a way, they DID raise her to be like that.

If I was stealing, I would HOPE the cops got me before my parents did! And, lying wasn't tolerated, either.

When my youngest was 14 she skipped school with a new bf, she got busted stealing a pair of panties from a dept store, then lied about everything to cops. When I was finally called they gave me 24 hours to take her to be booked. I put her in my car and took her straight to PS. If she was going to behave badly, she was going to pay the piper.

 

[Emma Peel]

If her "self-esteem" is 0, (meaning she doesn't esteem herself at all, right?)
then - wouldn't she have more concern for her child?

I contend that she esteems herself plenty - too much in fact.
JMHO

Welcome to WS!

I don't know if you'll check back here but...for you & others with similar questions, you might like to do a search for narcissistic personality disorder. (NPD)

A good place to start (once you google it) might be the DSM or even mayoclinic.com. You can also just wikipedia it.

People with Narcissisitc Personality Disorder (NPD) have extremely low self esteem.

I've snipped this from mayoclinic.com, which is layman-friendly:

Definition
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school. In particular, narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as histrionic, antisocial and borderline personality disorders. Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy.


There is much discussion within all these threads about the mother and the daughter exhibiting NPD characteristics. The daughter also exhibits Borderline and Histrionic and, as we've seen recently, Antisocial Personality Disorder issues.

All of these disorders are found in Cluster B of the DSM. The DSM is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. You can google that reference as well.

NPD is differential diagnosis found in many sociopaths.
Antisocial Personality Disorder = sociopathic

You can look up many personality disorders on-line, but if you start with medical and/or wiki links you are starting in a place with fairly current medical thinking on the differences/identification factors between various types of mental illnesses.

For this case in particular you might find it interesting to read briefly on all Disorders in DSM Cluster B:

Borderline Personality Disorder
Antisocial Personality Disorder
Histrionic Personality Disorder
Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Happy Sleuthing!