April 29 weekend of Sleuthiness

[BrownRice]

I am doing a lot of herbs this year, and I keep hearing I need to plant marigolds.. have you tried that next to your plants to help? I am running out tomorrow to get some, hope it helps!

I've heard marigolds are good for deer and bunnies. Never heard it for flies, but it can't hurt! I have a lot of squirrels in Indiana (moved up here this year from NC), and we have to wait, supposedly, until after Memorial Day for planting here. I'm going to try marigolds for squirrels too.

 

[CrimeAddict]

If tomorrow was verdict day and I was a juror, I'd have to vote not guilty because I am not sure. It seems likely he may have done it, but it also seems likely JP could have done it.

With that said, however, how many people are EVER acquitted of a murder charge? Besides high-profile OJs and Robert Blakes? I googled i and came up with a wikipedia page and most of the defendants were from the 1800's! And it's not like there were thousands to begin with. So, I wonder if they will just consider him guilty because he probably is (and they're too confused with all the evidence, arguing, and lying).

Interesting thought, I watch a lot of crime shows and it seems like the more interesting NG verdicts they play because I seem to see a lot of the NG verdict episodes. In these shows jurors claim "we think he/she did it but they did not seem to have enough evidence" I recall hearing that time and time again so that's the first thing that comes to mind in this case with thinking about a verdict. I bet those jurors think he killed her, that is my gut feeling. I think they will try to follow the law and instructions and then just have to talk about it. I think there be some that have to be swayed either way. I can't imagine they all will agree 100% right away.

Without getting into all the technical mumbo-jumbo about the possible spoofed call and the google search. Just HEARING that stuff to the jurors may sway them enough to just think YEP he did it. This is what I am holding on to.. regardless of any defense witnesses talking about tampering, etc.. The first thought of their minds when they heard there was 10 ways he could have done the spoofing and the DPD officer displaying the google search on the big screen.. add that with the weird depos and all the cleaning and I just think we still have a chance of guilty here...

 

[Amster]

I am rather new to posting here but I am one of the people who feel BDI! One thing I think should be made more of and I was glad the ADA included this when she cross examined the PI about the route Brad claims he took, and that is Brad has admitted to lying in his deposition. In my mind if one is truly innocent one will tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

:welcome:

 

[BrownRice]

I don't know. I would have to research that a bit, but I do know that there have been hundreds of overturned convictions and that is pretty unsettling.

Oh yes, that is a completely different subject. I have been reading a book, Mean Justice, about a man who (the author supposes) was convicted wrongly of murdering his wife. Interestingly, it is parallel to BC in many respects (gossipy neighbors, no evidence, lying/inept police). In the back of the book, he has a lengthy index of overturned convictions. And this book was written in '99 so I'm sure there's much more.

 

[NCEast]

I'm still of the opinion (which is worth what you pay for it) that there is little chance he will be found NG. I see the chances of a hung jury having climbed, but I am thinking that he will be found guilty. The prosecution will probably find some way to put NC's mother and/or sister back on the stand in rebuttal and will recapture thereby the emotion of it all.

My thinking all along is that there is not going to be enough evidence that he should be found guilty, but he will be nonetheless.

Until this past week, I was thinking that a guilty verdict was pretty much set. I began having my doubts on Tuesday. Don't know exactly if there was one thing or several that made me start thinking they were going to find him not guilty. And then the note from the jury made me feel even more sure they are thinking not guilty.....they just want to go home. I want to give them more credit than that, and hope they will take their time in deliberations, that's the only way this long and tedious trial will end well regardless of the verdict.

 

[BrownRice]

Just curious, do you think it could have been a stranger? I'm also suspicious of JA and JP, but personally I think a stranger is most likely.

Oh, sure. I have no problem believing it could have been random (serious, not sarcasm). I was just very suspicious of the JP testimony, and pushed the random act out of my mind after that. But certainly, could have been a guy off the street. I run a lot and see a bunch of creeps. It could easily happen. And with the eyewitness testimony going back and forth it wasn't discounted in my opinion.

 

[NCEast]

Thanks BrownRice. I can't recall a defendent in Wake County being acquitted of a murder charge. It's certainly very rare. I thought there was a case of a murder acquittal last year; but I believe it was in another county? Maybe someone can clarify that for me...it was not a high profile case.

Just curious, do you think it could have been a stranger? I'm also suspicious of JA and JP, but personally I think a stranger is most likely.

I was NOT impressed in the least with JP but I never got a feel that he was desperate enough to kill her. Even with the paternal issues that may prove to be positive at some point in the future. If Brad didn't do it, then I think a stranger on the jog is the best case scenario.

 

[BrownRice]

I'm still of the opinion (which is worth what you pay for it) that there is little chance he will be found NG. I see the chances of a hung jury having climbed, but I am thinking that he will be found guilty. The prosecution will probably find some way to put NC's mother and/or sister back on the stand in rebuttal and will recapture thereby the emotion of it all.

My thinking all along is that there is not going to be enough evidence that he should be found guilty, but he will be nonetheless.

Exactly.

 

[Tink56]

I am doing a lot of herbs this year, and I keep hearing I need to plant marigolds.. have you tried that next to your plants to help? I am running out tomorrow to get some, hope it helps!

LOL...I did and "something" ate all the leaves in 24 hours. (That was a first for me!)

I even considered that one of our canyon critters might have taken a liking to Marigolds, but decided to put out Corey's snail bait and snagged about 20 snails around the marigolds. How they are getting in the raised beds and out without me seeing them is quite a feat. I live in California, but this seems early to me for such a large infestation. I even found snails on the lemon trees. :maddening:

I keep thinking the tiny flies will "move on," but they hover over the soil. Maybe I was too thrify in my choice of organic soil. Tomorrow A.M. early, I'm off to the local nursery for advice, but I do appreciate all other suggestions, too!

Herbs are part of this year's crop here, too; the nursery had different flavored basil and oregano among other things. This is the best time of the year, isn't it. We're supposed to have a "heat wave" this week, so I hope everything survives.

 

[sunshine05]

If tomorrow was verdict day and I was a juror, I'd have to vote not guilty because I am not sure. It seems likely he may have done it, but it also seems likely JP could have done it.

With that said, however, how many people are EVER acquitted of a murder charge? Besides high-profile OJs and Robert Blakes? I googled i and came up with a wikipedia page and most of the defendants were from the 1800's! And it's not like there were thousands to begin with. So, I wonder if they will just consider him guilty because he probably is (and they're too confused with all the evidence, arguing, and lying).

Just doing a little bit of searching I came across this article, talking about public defender trials and interestingly:

70 percent of homicide trials resulting in acquittals, hung juries or mixed verdicts.

also from the article:

People often think that if someone is charged with a crime, there must be overwhelming evidence,” he said. “In fact, juries did not find enough to convict in nearly half the jury trials.”

Link to article:
http://sfpublicdefender.org/media/2011/01/year-report-public-defenders-win-48-percent-jury-trials/

I was unable to find statistics for the US but I'm curious now so I'll see what I can find.

 

[BrownRice]

Interesting thought, I watch a lot of crime shows and it seems like the more interesting NG verdicts they play because I seem to see a lot of the NG verdict episodes. In these shows jurors claim "we think he/she did it but they did not seem to have enough evidence" I recall hearing that time and time again so that's the first thing that comes to mind in this case with thinking about a verdict. I bet those jurors think he killed her, that is my gut feeling. I think they will try to follow the law and instructions and then just have to talk about it. I think there be some that have to be swayed either way. I can't imagine they all will agree 100% right away.

Without getting into all the technical mumbo-jumbo about the possible spoofed call and the google search. Just HEARING that stuff to the jurors may sway them enough to just think YEP he did it. This is what I am holding on to.. regardless of any defense witnesses talking about tampering, etc.. The first thought of their minds when they heard there was 10 ways he could have done the spoofing and the DPD officer displaying the google search on the big screen.. add that with the weird depos and all the cleaning and I just think we still have a chance of guilty here...

Yes, I think most of the NG verdicts are on tv, so we forget it's fiction and assume there is really a chance the defendant (not BC in particular) may get acquitted. But he/she hardly ever does. Sure, there are hung trials and the defendant may go to court 3x, but he always gets his sentence one way or another.

Disclaimer: I watch too much Dateline and 48 Hours.

 

[BrownRice]

Just doing a little bit of searching I came across this article, talking about public defender trials and interestingly:



also from the article:


Link to article:
http://sfpublicdefender.org/media/2011/01/year-report-public-defenders-win-48-percent-jury-trials/

I was unable to find statistics for the US but I'm curious now so I'll see what I can find.

This is insane. That 70% makes no sense (only with my experience of following trials).

 

[sunshine05]

Thanks BrownRice. I can't recall a defendent in Wake County being acquitted of a murder charge. It's certainly very rare. I thought there was a case of a murder acquittal last year; but I believe it was in another county? Maybe someone can clarify that for me...it was not a high profile case.

Just curious, do you think it could have been a stranger? I'm also suspicious of JA and JP, but personally I think a stranger is most likely.

I thought it was likely a stranger in the beginning but no longer do. I think it's very possible the murderer was on the stand in this trial. There are too many suspicious things about some of these people. I hope the truth comes out some day.

 

[SleuthSayer]

With that said, however, how many people are EVER acquitted of a murder charge? Besides high-profile OJs and Robert Blakes? I googled i and came up with a wikipedia page and most of the defendants were from the 1800's! And it's not like there were thousands to begin with. So, I wonder if they will just consider him guilty because he probably is (and they're too confused with all the evidence, arguing, and lying).

This is pretty old DOJ data (1988) but is very pertinent to the topic at hand (spouse murder cases).

Some factoids:

• Of the 540 spouse murder defendants, 232--or 43%--pleaded guilty to killing their spouse, and 238--44%--pleaded not guilty and stood trial. The remaining 70 persons--or 13%--were not prosecuted.
• Of the 238 who pleaded not guilty, 63% were tried by a jury and the remaining 37% were tried by a judge. Together, judges and juries acquitted 16% of the 238 spouse murder defendants and convicted 84%--or 199 persons--of killing their spouse.
• Of the 540 spouse murder defendants, 431 (or 80%) were ultimately convicted of killing their spouse. Their conviction was the result of either pleading guilty (232 persons) or being convicted at trial (199 persons).

 

[NCEast]

This is pretty old DOJ data (1988) but is very pertinent to the topic at hand (spouse murder cases).

Some factoids:

• Of the 540 spouse murder defendants, 232--or 43%--pleaded guilty to killing their spouse, and 238--44%--pleaded not guilty and stood trial. The remaining 70 persons--or 13%--were not prosecuted.
• Of the 238 who pleaded not guilty, 63% were tried by a jury and the remaining 37% were tried by a judge. Together, judges and juries acquitted 16% of the 238 spouse murder defendants and convicted 84%--or 199 persons--of killing their spouse.
• Of the 540 spouse murder defendants, 431 (or 80%) were ultimately convicted of killing their spouse. Their conviction was the result of either pleading guilty (232 persons) or being convicted at trial (199 persons).

These are great stats, surprising, thanks so much! I had no idea the conviction rates were that high overall.

 

[SleuthSayer]

Until this past week, I was thinking that a guilty verdict was pretty much set. I began having my doubts on Tuesday. Don't know exactly if there was one thing or several that made me start thinking they were going to find him not guilty. And then the note from the jury made me feel even more sure they are thinking not guilty.....they just want to go home. I want to give them more credit than that, and hope they will take their time in deliberations, that's the only way this long and tedious trial will end well regardless of the verdict.

I took the juror's note differently. I figured it meant (like I speculated here earlier) that they decided he was guilty weeks ago and we are just going through the motions at this point.

 

[sunshine05]

This is insane. That 70% makes no sense (only with my experience of following trials).

I haven't followed many so it's hard for me to say. I think there are a lot that are barely mentioned in the media if they aren't high profile cases. Most likely the acquittal rate in high profile cases is especially low because all eyes are on it.

 

[BrownRice]

These are great stats, surprising, thanks so much! I had no idea the conviction rates were that high overall.

So with the info Sunshine posted, looks like most people who are on trial for spouse homicide are convicted, yet others (general murders) have a much higher rate of getting off. Obviously I am making a lot of assumptions, but that seems more likely.

I still wonder where the 16% of spouse murder acquittals are - I seldom hear of them. But obviously it does happen.

 

[BrownRice]

I took the juror's note differently. I figured it meant (like I speculated here earlier) that they decided he was guilty weeks ago and we are just going through the motions at this point.

It could go either way - I have thought it out both ways and have equal scenarios. Regardless, I'm starting to find the jury pretty obnoxious. Sure, we (on this forum) complain, but we didn't take oaths in court. If I was there, I'd be taking notes and paying attention and doing my job. You (a prospective juror) always need to assume there is going to be a delay or something unexpected.

 

[unc70]

I'm guessing here, but, assuming he had the 3825 and it caused a Duplicate IP Address error on the laptop, this could be because:

• The 3825 was on a private subnet within the house (possibly just the typical 192.x.x.x network for home routers)
• He connected the Ethernet port on the laptop to something that put it on the same LAN as the router (e.g. a switch) to telnet into the router
• Because he didn't have DHCP enabled on the router, he hand configured an address for the Ethernet port on the laptop
• He screwed up and picked as the address for the laptop the same address that he had configured for the router
• He got the Duplicate Address Error and then reconfigured either the laptop or the router to have a different address
• He then telnet'd into the router

I have another possibility:

* He move the laptop from the office lan to his home network while it was hibernating, etc. When it is resuming it might first tried to continue with the saved network settings. I sometimes see that happen on my own systems.

There are a lot things that can combine to cause this. I don't have much time until Sunday night to do any testing.

I believe in testimony or a post here said that Cisco employees routinely just close the laptop when moving inside their facility and only shutdown at the end of the day. If I could see the log from when he was still at Cisco until a few minutes after this event the answer might be obvious.

I haven't tested this yet, but I believe the IP on the Cisco lan for the 3825 that was somehow cached/retained was the same as one already in used on the home net or being assigned by the home DHCP.

This scenario I believe could explain how a single reference could appear without other network traffic on the home lan.

Am I missing something, or is this another possiblity?