April 29 weekend of Sleuthiness

[BrownRice]

Ok, you win.
Forget all the hearsay by the friends...that was never evidence of murder.

BTW, if Bradley is guilty (I believe he is), does that mean the witnesses that INSISTED they saw Nancy jogging Saturday am are not credible either:waitasec:

You're talking about different things here. We all know, and recognize, eyewitnesses can be inaccurate. I agree with this. My point about the ducks and they neighbors/friends was this - they were insistent "knowing" every little part of NC/BC's life. Like the juice the kids drank, the detergent, the earring backs, if NC always wore a necklace, etc. Ridiculous stuff like this that is being negated by the defense. They are being proven to look like they are on a witch hunt for BC. Seriously, I would not say my best friend's kids NEVER drank a certain juice or that the family ALWAYS used a certain detergent for their laundry. I may know somebody very well, but unless I live with them, I cannot know 100% of their tedious, boring life even if I think I do.

The eyewitnesses are strangers who thought they saw a missing person. They were not insistent it HAD to be NC. They simply stated they saw a woman who appeared to be NC according to the descriptions they were provided by LE and media. Big difference in my book.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Really, you didn't need to share this. The thought of putting my foot into a shoe and finding out a small animal was in there really creeps me out. :crazy:

LOL I think you misread it like I did. She didn't say the animals hide IN a pair, just that they hide the actual shoes.

I thought the same thing, animals in your shoes, I would freak!! :floorlaugh:

 

[jrb0124]

Sorry, I was just messin' with you a little. It astounds me, how people throw around theories that require mass perjury with seemingly little-to-no-concern on the part of the perjurer of the consequences to their own lives. All in an effort to frame an innocent man.

What kind of mass perjury (other than the proven perjury he has already committed) would have to be involved for JP to be a possible culprit?

As per consequences...he already laid out in his recorded interviews with CPD that he lied about his affair with NC because his first priority was his family and livelihood. So you don't think he would lie about something a little more significant than that?

 

[Just the Fax]

Perhaps, but keep in mind that if you post things statistical as facts - its probably a good idea to make sure they are facts.

100's was a figure of speech.
Obviously they don't juggle that many at one time.
It is a fact that both the DA and public defender have a huge case load.

 

[NCEast]

Agreed, and he choses to work for that salary, he could find someplace else with a better salary if he wanted to. I have a feeling his benefits are pretty good, especially if they have a loan forgiveness program for working in the public sector. Law School is quite expensive.

Some of it may have to do with ethics, which would be my guiding force if I were an attorney.
Plus, a lot of lawyers work for the prosecution upon graduation to get their feet wet, get some experience under their belts, and then go into private practice.

 

[Bottle Cap]

No one has said it was going to repair his reputation, where did that come from? But, it surely would not harm it if none of the information about the child came out, if it is in fact his, and if he was not suspected of the murder thus not charged.

That's a lot of ifs. He'd have murdered someone without even a DNA test to prove - for his own peace of mind - that it was his child. Even if NC had said it was (or wasn't) his, the only way he could be sure was a DNA test. If it wasn't his, he'd have been off the hook. So you really think he killed a woman on the off-chance he'd fathered one of her children.

 

[cityslick]

That's a lot of ifs. He'd have murdered someone without even a DNA test to prove - for his own peace of mind - that it was his child. Even if NC had said it was (or wasn't) his, the only way he could be sure was a DNA test. If it wasn't his, he'd have been off the hook. So you really think he killed a woman on the off-chance he'd fathered one of her children.

Actually we found out the other day that irregardless of a DNA test, since the child was born during the marriage, BC would be on the hook for child support no matter what, not JP.

 

[Danielle59]

It was JA, not MH. It's hard to keep all of the initials straight.

MH's testimony was that JA only wanted information to the police to go through her, she didn't want anyone else discussing the case with the police.

 

[Just the Fax]

You're talking about different things here. We all know, and recognize, eyewitnesses can be inaccurate. I agree with this. My point about the ducks and they neighbors/friends was this - they were insistent "knowing" every little part of NC/BC's life. Like the juice the kids drank, the detergent, the earring backs, if NC always wore a necklace, etc. Ridiculous stuff like this that is being negated by the defense. They are being proven to look like they are on a witch hunt for BC. Seriously, I would not say my best friend's kids NEVER drank a certain juice or that the family ALWAYS used a certain detergent for their laundry. I may know somebody very well, but unless I live with them, I cannot know 100% of their tedious, boring life even if I think I do.

The eyewitnesses are strangers who thought they saw a missing person. They were not insistent it HAD to be NC. They simply stated they saw a woman who appeared to be NC according to the descriptions they were provided by LE and media. Big difference in my book.

As as I said, forget all the hearsay evidence from the friends...throw it all out.

i'll go with these 3 simple points and call it a day:

1- Alice Stubbs drafted an aggressive separation agreement
2- Bradley Googled his zip, then panned and zoomed to the dump site
3- Cisco has evidence Bradley he used a FXO compatible router at 10Pm on 7-11-08 (said he was asleep)...that router disappeared the next day.

Guilty as charged.

MOO

 

[metafizik]

Me neither.
I think the ducks were there and they were moved. I think she had plans to paint and that was decided over a glass of wine as she walked around her house looking at things to organize. I think they kept it a secret because she was going to hide the money from BC! If I was murdered, I would want JA backing me up. She knew something was wrong, she called the authorities. IMO
We could only be so lucky to have a friend watching out for you like that.

I think JA is a conniving, vindictive person that I wouldn't want for a friend and wouldn't trust for anything. She didn't appear genuine or sincere in the least to me when I watched her testimony. Did you really believe fake sniffling act of hers and the dabbing of the eyes when she first took the stand?

 

[BrownRice]

Nobody ever addresses this. JP would have had to drive around Cary looking for NC on her jogging route. He would have had to stop his car and either kill her on a jogging trail - at an hour popular with joggers due to the heat - or force her into his car. He would have driven down Fielding, in a car unknown to neighborhood residents, in broad daylight, and back out again. All this time, however long this would have taken, his children would be home alone. Really? Really??

Edited to include: add in there whatever time it would have taken for him to remove most of the clothes off a dead body. All in broad daylight.

He could have abducted her, murdered her (in his van maybe or at an alternate location), and then disposed of her body in the evening.

 

[Bottle Cap]

What kind of mass perjury (other than the proven perjury he has already committed) would have to be involved for JP to be a possible culprit?

As per consequences...he already laid out in his recorded interviews with CPD that he lied about his affair with NC because his first priority was his family and livelihood. So you don't think he would lie about something a little more significant than that?

Well. It's possible I'm mixing my conspiracy theories up, because they all run together. Some of them having CPD and the FBI/Durham person either a. conspiring and colluding or b. inept. Some of them having JP killing NC. Others have JA covering up JP's murder of NC in order to frame Brad. Yet others simply think a random murderer ground dirt into NC's knees while brutally attacking her and leaving no evidence of an attack.

Surely you can understand how a person might get confused. Some of them require perjury by more than one person. Other's require perjury by, ah, more than one person. The inept CPD/random murderer combo is the only one I can think of that does not require perjury.

 

[Just the Fax]

Remind me again tho, what do salaries have to do with this case?

Read the posts and you may see the original point:crazy:

 

[SleuthinNC]

How convenient that HP saw NC drinking Diet Coke at the pool while wearing her necklace. Wonder how she missed seeing and/or remembering that black dress/cover-up with her necklace spotting eagle eyes and Diet Coke remembering steel trap mind.

 

[Bottle Cap]

He could have abducted her, murdered her (in his van maybe or at an alternate location), and then disposed of her body in the evening.

And while he was driving all over Lochmere looking for her, a place where he knows all sorts of people, in broad daylight nonetheless - nobody saw him.

 

[CrimeAddict]

As as I said, forget all the hearsay evidence from the friends...throw it all out.

i'll go with these 3 simple points and call it a day:

1- Alice Stubbs drafted an aggressive separation agreement
2- Bradley Googled his zip, then panned and zoomed to the dump site
3- Cisco has evidence Bradley he used a FXO compatible router at 10Pm on 7-11-08 (said he was asleep)...that router disappeared the next day.

Guilty as charged.

MOO

Let's just hope the jury doesn't confuse all the BS and actually see's your points! :anguish:

 

[Danielle59]

Me neither.
I think the ducks were there and they were moved. I think she had plans to paint and that was decided over a glass of wine as she walked around her house looking at things to organize. I think they kept it a secret because she was going to hide the money from BC! If I was murdered, I would want JA backing me up. She knew something was wrong, she called the authorities. IMO
We could only be so lucky to have a friend watching out for you like that.

Why then did she not mention the painting plans to any of her friends at the party the night before, the party to which JA was not invited? But that she, NC, did mention to RL about her plans to go jogging in the morning and other plans with JA about the pool in the afternoon were told to other friends? Why also did JA call NC when she knew NC was at a party from BA's cell phone to ask NC to come over to drink with her? Now on calling from BA's cell phone instead of her own when she had just recently suspected NC of being involved with her husband, BA, and got extremely upset, are you so sure that it was not intentional to see how NC may answer the call? I mean NC may have answered it by whispering sweet nothings if she saw his number on the cell phone and thought it was him. I think JA did called her intentionally on BAs cell phone for reaction.

 

[Danielle59]

Really, you didn't need to share this. The thought of putting my foot into a shoe and finding out a small animal was in there really creeps me out. :crazy:

LOL LOL I have actually done that, a small lizard, and it was there awhile before it moved and I realized it was there OMG OMG OMG freaked me out! I pick up my shoes and check in them everytime now before I put them on.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I know I sound like a broken record, but can someone who truly believes that BDI explain the empty stomach, alcohol content and caffeine?

*crickets*

Sorry, I just saw your question now....So empty stomach means her death had to have been in the morning hours, or during a jog? I s that your question?....TOD using stomach contents is not always useful..unless the last meal where known to have eaten...Now that is a very narrow window as the stomach empties in 2-3 hours after ingestion ( as a rule of thumb) and I do recall a piece of onion or something along those lines remained...

Caffeine is NOT exclusive to coffee, as it is also in alot of other beverages such as soda's as American's say, ( Canadians use the term Pop)..and as caffeine can be found in the blood stream following absorption..then who knows how long ago she had ingested that glass of wine?...but doubt she had that wine before she went jogging..

ETOH, is the measure of alcohol level in Blood stream which indeed does take hours to be cleared, due to requiring metabolisms, liver function, and kidney's to be able to clear it...

All in all, it is my impression that Nancy did not live thru the night, thus stomach contents in this case indicates one thing.....She had not had anything to eat since a maximum of 2-4 hours....

Link that explains some of the pitfalls for using stomach contents to TOD..

http://myweb.dal.ca/jvandomm/forensicbotany/plantanatomy.html

Time since death can be approximated by the state of digestion of the stomach contents. It normally takes at least a couple of hours for food to pass from the stomach to the small intestine; a meal still largely in the stomach implies death shortly after eating, while an empty or nearly-empty stomach suggests a longer time period between eating and death (Batten, 1995). However, there are numerous mitigating factors to take into account: the extent to which the food had been chewed, the amount of fat and protein present, physical activity undertaken by the victim prior to death, mood of the victim, physiological variation from person to person. All these factors affect the rate at which food passes through the digestive tract. Pathologists are generally hesitant to base a precise time of death on the evidence of stomach contents alone.

Hope this helps :seeya:

 

[Bottle Cap]

Why then did she not mention the painting plans to any of her friends at the party the night before, the party to which JA was not invited? But that she, NC, did mention to RL about her plans to go jogging in the morning and other plans with JA about the pool in the afternoon were told to other friends? Why also did JA call NC when she knew NC was at a party from BA's cell phone to ask NC to come over to drink with her? Now on calling from BA's cell phone instead of her own when she had just recently suspected NC of being involved with her husband, BA, and got extremely upset, are you so sure that it was not intentional to see how NC may answer the call? I mean NC may have answered it by whispering sweet nothings if she saw his number on the cell phone and thought it was him. I think JA did called her intentionally on BAs cell phone for reaction.

Wait. So now JA did it?

See why BDI'ers get confused?