GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - #11

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It's really sad when you think about it. Especially given that AL has ADMITTED himself to his participation in the crime (examples - by the affidavit on his FB page, by comments/statements he has made to the media, things he has said to the investigators, and the list goes on). But yet, who are the laws protecting here? Not Beverly, not Beverly's family, but the laws are protecting AL! Yes, that's the way it is - we understand that, BUT we are still free to voice our opinions about it, as it is very frustrating.

We all know why the Constitution and the laws are in effect; however, there are some of us who don't agree and for good reason....this case being one of those reasons. I will still remain confident that this worthless (AL) will not be free on the streets for a longgggg time and karma does have a way... Can you imagine being a prisoner in the same facility he is housed in and having to listen to him holler, complain, being uncooperative, throwing his tantrums, etc?? I'm sure he doesn't have a lot, if any, friends, so what comes around, goes around....

RBBM, the laws are protecting the Judicial System we have here in the U.S. Not an individual but ALL people.

Say Officer XYZ shows up to your door and says maam/sir your under arrest for *advertiser censored* and haul you away. Say you know you didnt do anything. Yet those same Officers go in your house and come out with a laundry list of stuff (just use the illegal search warrants here) they were looking for some clothes (they knew what the victim had on but didnt list it) say they took your clothing. They use stuff you dont even know what is or where came from to charge you with *advertiser censored*. So under your views or others this would be just fine.

Can accuse anyone of anything but in court of law you have to prove it. Hey watch the first 2 episodes of Making a Murder on Netflix. Def not saying this is what happen in this case but so far I dont know what all the evidence is, only those close to the case do. And so far its pretty confusing/conflicting to sort out. JMHO
 
This is the strangest case ever. The only times anyone has gotten defensive from the beginning of this is when someone speaks FOR Beverly and HER rights. So strange.
 
BBM and Snipped by me:

And this is strange. If you go read the Pros Motions, the Accident Report and media report dont have to take my words on this....

I'll take your word for it, because the same things have been posted repeatedly, over and over, and so much so that I think I have them memorized now.

After all, IMO, the thread is for Beverly Carter, not AL and/or his defense. Rights or no rights, AL is a worthless , just look at his past criminal history...it speaks volumes.

And again, JMO, but I'd rather focus on the positives and remain confident that there will be Justice For Beverly and her family and all those who loved her.
 
Completely different. First of all- should they be able to use my clothes that has the blood of a victim on it? Absolutely!!!! They do not have a crystal ball to know what they will find, until they do. Yes. They should be able to use my clothes that they didnt specifically describe if there is evidence I committed a crime. Im about solving crimes, not those games.

Second of all, not the case here!!! Crystal admitted to kidnapping and murdering Beverly. Arron admitted to kidnapping and burying Beverly. It was no random home invasion search. Come on, now.
 
Also, I'm quite sure prosecutors/state have Beverly's phone records. Even if they don't have her actual phone, they would still have her phone records that would include calls incoming and outgoing and the records would include the same for her text messages.

Too bad AL didn't stick to his original plan of representing himself. Wonder why he changed his mind? After all, he is a 7-time felon so it isn't his first rodeo, obviously.

They do have BC actual phone. They called from the house and confirmed the # from the back. Thing is they cant use anything from that search of house because it was a General Warrant and that illegal.

He changed his mind it would appear from his testimony at the June 1 Pretrial Hearing that he couldnt see the evidence, was on cd's and so forth. JMHO, guess being a 7 time felon would also make him realize he needed help. The Judge gave him time and he took him up on it. Who was going to be representing AL at trial had nothing to do with the investigation prior. and that is what is at play now. The investigation... getting solid legal evidence to use at trial JMHO
 
BBM and Snipped by me:

And this is strange. If you go read the Pros Motions, the Accident Report and media report dont have to take my words on this....

I'll take your word for it, because the same things have been posted repeatedly, over and over, and so much so that I think I have them memorized now.

After all, IMO, the thread is for Beverly Carter, not AL and/or his defense. Rights or no rights, AL is a worthless , just look at his past criminal history...it speaks volumes.

And again, JMO, but I'd rather focus on the positives and remain confident that there will be Justice For Beverly and her family and all those who loved her.

Everytime I see all of that legal stuff posted, I think it is new. lol. Takes me a while to realize it is being repeated.


Edited to add--- I am guessing that whole 10% thing doesnt have to do with legal documents! LOL
 
Completely different. First of all- should they be able to use my clothes that has the blood of a victim on it? Absolutely!!!! They do not have a crystal ball to know what they will find, until they do. Yes. They should be able to use my clothes that they didnt specifically describe if there is evidence I committed a crime. Im about solving crimes, not those games.

Second of all, not the case here!!! Crystal admitted to kidnapping and murdering Beverly. Arron admitted to kidnapping and burying Beverly. It was no random home invasion search. Come on, now.
Yes I would say they would be able to if they filed the search warrant properly. If not then as in this case, no. No they dont have a crystal ball, but they are trained and have to know what they are going in for.
I am not about games either. Far from it. But I know what the law says:

Fourth Amendment
The Fourth Amendment originally enforced the notion that “each man’s home is his castle”, secure from unreasonable searches and seizures of property by the government. It protects against arbitrary arrests, and is the basis of the law regarding search warrants, stop-and-frisk, safety inspections, wiretaps, and other forms of surveillance, as well as being central to many other criminal law topics and to privacy law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment
 
I'm aware of the amendments and I read post #269 where this was posted, as well. It was only 18 posts ago. Luckily, my memory isnt that bad. Maybe 38 I won't remember anymore :)
 
BBM and Snipped by me:

And this is strange. If you go read the Pros Motions, the Accident Report and media report dont have to take my words on this....

I'll take your word for it, because the same things have been posted repeatedly, over and over, and so much so that I think I have them memorized now.

After all, IMO, the thread is for Beverly Carter, not AL and/or his defense. Rights or no rights, AL is a worthless , just look at his past criminal history...it speaks volumes.

And again, JMO, but I'd rather focus on the positives and remain confident that there will be Justice For Beverly and her family and all those who loved her.

I thought the threads were about the case. Yes Beverly Carter is the Victim in the case. But this as the other threads on WS are about the cases. Look as some, they have subsections for evidence and so forth. AL and CL are the Accused and the ones going to trial, as this is now in the Awaiting Trial section thats what I am posting about. Prior it was about getting to this point.

I pray for Justice too. I just look at the whole with an open mind. Looking at everything. I agree AL is a worthless . But those are our opinons and alot of peoples but the jury is going to have to use facts to come up with the verdict. JMHO
 
And why, oh why!, would a judge sign something that blatantly went against the fourth amendment? That's the point. He wouldn't. It is subjective. Do we have a copy of that warrant? Because I am sure it doesn't just say nothing. "You may enter anywhere to look for anything on anyone". That is certainly not how it was written. I said many posts back that since there is no crystal ball then either a- evidence of a kidnapping or murder or b.- have a box check type thing that you can check what items you will be looking for should be appropriate. What is not appropriate is for law enforcement to gain a warrant before entry, the warrant is signed by a judge and then people get to claim fourth amendment rights are violated. I'm not sure why that is so confusing. There should not be a warrant that can be obtained by one judge that is then deemed not appropriate by another! No one is looking to violate any rights. They HAD a freaking warrant! They didnt just saunter on in grabbing stuff! That's how it is being talked about.

" and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
 
I, too, wondered why one judge would not uphold the warrant signed by another. I think when I wrote the judge should look within himself, it was misinterpreted. A judge should not rule by emotion. There is no emotion involved in not upholding the decision of another judge. Most decisions can be made based solely on the law. Unfortunately, some are subjective.

Maybe I misunderstood, if so I apologize. I am not sure but I know the Def asked both of the authors of the 2 diff search warrants if they each told the Judge anything else other than what was on the affidavits, both stated no. From reading jmho that the judge who issues the warrants has to be a judge not involved. Judge Gruber was the Judge IIRC that at least AL went before, for arraignment. Then it gets bound over to Circuit Court, which is where it is now in Judge Herbert Wright court. jmho
 
BBM


RBBM, the laws are protecting the Judicial System we have here in the U.S. Not an individual but ALL people.

Say Officer XYZ shows up to your door and says maam/sir your under arrest for *advertiser censored* and haul you away. Say you know you didnt do anything. Yet those same Officers go in your house and come out with a laundry list of stuff (just use the illegal search warrants here) they were looking for some clothes (they knew what the victim had on but didnt list it) say they took your clothing. They use stuff you dont even know what is or where came from to charge you with *advertiser censored*. So under your views or others this would be just fine.

Can accuse anyone of anything but in court of law you have to prove it. Hey watch the first 2 episodes of Making a Murder on Netflix. Def not saying this is what happen in this case but so far I dont know what all the evidence is, only those close to the case do. And so far its pretty confusing/conflicting to sort out. JMHO

It's really sad when you think about it. Especially given that AL has ADMITTED himself to his participation in the crime (examples - by the affidavit on his FB page, by comments/statements he has made to the media, things he has said to the investigators, and the list goes on). But yet, who are the laws protecting here? Not Beverly, not Beverly's family, but the laws are protecting AL! Yes, that's the way it is - we understand that, BUT we are still free to voice our opinions about it, as it is very frustrating.

We all know why the Constitution and the laws are in effect; however, there are some of us who don't agree and for good reason....this case being one of those reasons. I will still remain confident that this worthless (AL) will not be free on the streets for a longgggg time and karma does have a way... Can you imagine being a prisoner in the same facility he is housed in and having to listen to him holler, complain, being uncooperative, throwing his tantrums, etc?? I'm sure he doesn't have a lot, if any, friends, so what comes around, goes around....

If you pay close attention, I said "but yet, who are the laws protecting HERE" Meaning THIS case regarding Beverly Carter and AL. I made no mention of "ALL people." Just clarifying what my post actually was referring to.
 
And why, oh why!, would a judge sign something that blatantly went against the fourth amendment? That's the point. He wouldn't. It is subjective. Do we have a copy of that warrant? Because I am sure it doesn't just say nothing. "You may enter anywhere to look for anything on anyone". That is certainly not how it was written. I said many posts back that since there is no crystal ball then either a- evidence of a kidnapping or murder or b.- have a box check type thing that you can check what items you will be looking for should be appropriate. What is not appropriate is for law enforcement to gain a warrant before entry, the warrant is signed by a judge and then people get to claim fourth amendment rights are violated. I'm not sure why that is so confusing. There should not be a warrant that can be obtained by one judge that is then deemed not appropriate by another! No one is looking to violate any rights. They HAD a freaking warrant! They didnt just saunter on in grabbing stuff! That's how it is being talked about.

" and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

RBBM...
According to testimony in hearing they could have taking anything they wanted. ....
From the Judges ORDER :
pulaski County Investigator Zachary Warren testified that he prepared an affidavit to
obtain a search warrant for the Randall Dr. home. That warrant was signed by Pulaski County
District Court Judge Wayne Gruber on September 28,2014, and it was executed by the
investigators that day. The affidavit prepared by Warren recited, in essence, the timeline above
and alleged reasonable cause to believe that
THERE IS BEING CONCEALED AT THIS TIME POTENTIAL PROPERTY/EVIDENCE,
TO WIT: l) CLOTHING 2) PERSONAL PROPERTY BELONGING TO THE VICTIM 3)
SHELL CASINGS, 2) (sic) PROJECTILES, 3) FIREARMS, 4) AMMUNITION, 5) DNA
AND BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE,6) HUMAN REMAINS, T) ANY ELECTRONIC
EQUIPMENT AND MEDIA STORAGE, 8) ANY ITEM THAT COULD BE USED AS A
WEAPON TO INCLUDE, KNIVES AND BLUNT FORCE OBJECTS, 9) ANY OTHER
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AND INSTRUMENTALITY,S (SiC) OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
CONTRIBUTING TO THE FURTHERANCE OF A CRIME; TENDING TO
DEMONSTRATE THAT A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL OFFENSE MAY HAVE BEEN
COMMITTED RELATED TO THE DISAPPEARANCE OF BEVERLY CARTER. AS
THERE EXIST (sic) REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE ABOVE FACTS
AND CONDITIONS DO EXISTS (sic), A SEARCH AND SEIZURE WARRANT SHOULD
BE ISSUED. (State's Ex. l)
The language of the search warrant signed by Judge Gruber directed law enforcement to
search for these same things using the same language as the affidavit.
Warren testified that the search began at 2:35PM and took approximately one hour. They
discovered and seized various items, including the victim's cell phone, a Gateway laptop,
assorted jewelry, a white envelope with Google numbers written on it, multiple firearms, and a
credit card reader. The defense alleges that this warrant was overbroad, essentially becoming a
.,general warrant," giving officers free reign to search for and seize any item that could
conceivably be related to any criminal activity.
When asked whether the warrant allowed the investigators to search for any clothing or
simply the victim,s clothing, Warren testified that the warrant would have authorized them to
seize any clothing. When asked about shell casings, Warren admitted that they had no reason to
know whether shell casings would be present at the home. He testified that, "we didn't know at
the time. We didn't know how the crime was committed, what acts, whether it was by firearm or
any other weapon." He similarly admitted that they had no reason to know whether there would
be firearms, projectiles, or arnmunition at the home, though the warrant authorized them to seize
any objects of that type. When asked about DNA, biological evidence, human remains, clothing,
or personal property, Warren responded that the investigators had no idea at the time of
executing the warrant whether evidence of that nature would be present, or indeed whether the
victim had ever been taken to the residence. He testified that they also had no reason to know
whether there would be any electronic evidence located in the home, aside from a phone (that
had already been seized) that could conceivably allow access to the aforementioned TextMe app.
Regarding the directive to search for "any item that could be used as a weapon," 'Warren testified
that investigators had no evidence that a weapon had even been used, and specifically nothing of
the type (knives and blunt force objects) anticipated by the warrant.
Warren testified that the offrcers interpreted the warrant as authorizing them to seize
anything that could demonstrate that a potential criminal offense may have been committed
relating to the disappearance of the victim. During cross-examination, the defense asked the
investigator, "Is there anything in that residence that you couldn't have taken?" The investigator
answered that they would have been permitted to seize any item "[a]s it pertains to the
disappearance of Beverly Carter." He admitted that the investigators seized jewelry without
knowledge that it was the victim's, that they took a credit card reading device that they were
unsure had any connection to the victim's disappearance, and that they seized multiple firearms
that they had no indication were connected to the investigation.

One of the basic concepts of the Fourth Amendment is that searches and seizures must be
..reasonable.,, The Amendment itself states that "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable
cause, supported by Oath or affrrmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and
the person or things to be seized." U.S. Const., amend. IV. The critical element in a reasonable
search is not that the owner of the property is suspected of crime but that there is reasonable
cause to believe that the specific 'things' to be searched for and seized are located on the
property to which entry is sought. Zurcher v. Stanford Daily, 436 U.S. 547, 556 (1978). Valid
warrants to search property may be issued when it is satisfactorily demonstrated to the magistrate
that fruits, instrumentalities, or evidence of crime is located on the premises. Id, at 559

The warrant challenged by the defense is unquestionably a general warrant in direct
violation of the Fourth Amendment. The warrant itself listed no particular item believed to be
located at the address in question - it simply listed a broad category of things that might be
considered evidence or lead to the discovery ofadditional evidence, based on the investigators'
theory that the victim had been kidnapped and/or murdered'
Reviewing Investigator Warren's testimony at the omnibus hearing, it is clear that the
ultimate discretion of what items to search for and seize was directly left to the investigators. His
testimony confirmed to this Court that investigators ultimately could have seized anything in the
building if an argument could be made that it fell within the "nine categories"l specified in the
warrant. The broad discretion granted them is firther demonstrated by the fact that the
investigators seized multiple items that, though they may be either contraband or evidence of the
commission of some other crime, have no evidentiary value in this case'2
https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/i...resent2?DMS_ID=W91IXRDASRGXJEZJK4QX4T3NOPNQ29
 
BBM






If you pay close attention, I said "but yet, who are the laws protecting HERE" Meaning THIS case regarding Beverly Carter and AL. I made no mention of "ALL people." Just clarifying what my post actually was referring to.

I was paying attention. It is the SAME LAWS THAT ARE BEING USED IN THIS CASE AS IN EVERY OTHER CASE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND ANY OTHER CASE ON WS THAT IS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Not a special set of laws for Arron Lewis and Crystal Lowery. JMHO
 
Also no I havent nor has anyone else other than law enforcement and the Judicial Teams seen any of the search warrant affidavits or search warrants. IIRC they were put under seal back at the very beginning when it went to Circuit Court.
 
Also, I'm quite sure prosecutors/state have Beverly's phone records. Even if they don't have her actual phone, they would still have her phone records that would include calls incoming and outgoing and the records would include the same for her text messages.

Too bad AL didn't stick to his original plan of representing himself. Wonder why he changed his mind? After all, he is a 7-time felon so it isn't his first rodeo, obviously.

They do have BC actual phone. They called from the house and confirmed the # from the back. Thing is they cant use anything from that search of house because it was a General Warrant and that illegal.

He changed his mind it would appear from his testimony at the June 1 Pretrial Hearing that he couldnt see the evidence, was on cd's and so forth. JMHO, guess being a 7 time felon would also make him realize he needed help. The Judge gave him time and he took him up on it. Who was going to be representing AL at trial had nothing to do with the investigation prior. and that is what is at play now. The investigation... getting solid legal evidence to use at trial JMHO

Once again, my post was taken out of context, so I will try to explain my point a little clearer. My point being, whether or not they have Beverly's phone, the state/prosecutors STILL have access to her PHONE RECORDS which would show incoming and outgoing calls, and incoming and outgoing numbers of text messages sent and received. Therefore, whether her actual phone can or cannot be used because of the so-called search warrant being illegal does NOT matter, BECAUSE they still have phone records, call logs, etc. regarding the activity on Beverly's phone.
 
Yes. I read all of that about the warrant multiple times. I know what the ruling was. Am I not explaining myself properly? The warrant was SIGNED (aka approved) by a judge. How can ONE judge say it is fine and a SECOND judge say it was overly broad and illegal.

I definitely can see where they should have written "white envelope containing a google number written on it" on the search warrant. Silly, careless police. :facepalm::shame:
 
Originally Posted by NWLady View Post
Also, I'm quite sure prosecutors/state have Beverly's phone records. Even if they don't have her actual phone, they would still have her phone records that would include calls incoming and outgoing and the records would include the same for her text messages.

Too bad AL didn't stick to his original plan of representing himself. Wonder why he changed his mind? After all, he is a 7-time felon so it isn't his first rodeo, obviously

Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
They do have BC actual phone. They called from the house and confirmed the # from the back. Thing is they cant use anything from that search of house because it was a General Warrant and that illegal.

He changed his mind it would appear from his testimony at the June 1 Pretrial Hearing that he couldnt see the evidence, was on cd's and so forth. JMHO, guess being a 7 time felon would also make him realize he needed help. The Judge gave him time and he took him up on it. Who was going to be representing AL at trial had nothing to do with the investigation prior. and that is what is at play now. The investigation... getting solid legal evidence to use at trial JMHO

Once again, my post was taken out of context, so I will try to explain my point a little clearer. My point being, whether or not they have Beverly's phone, the state/prosecutors STILL have access to her PHONE RECORDS which would show incoming and outgoing calls, and incoming and outgoing numbers of text messages sent and received. Therefore, whether her actual phone can or cannot be used because of the so-called search warrant being illegal does NOT matter, BECAUSE they still have phone records, call logs, etc. regarding the activity on Beverly's phone.

Respectfully BBM. Respectfully no I was not taking your post out of context. I was just clarifying that they DO have her actual phone.
 
Yes. I read all of that about the warrant multiple times. I know what the ruling was. Am I not explaining myself properly? The warrant was SIGNED (aka approved) by a judge. How can ONE judge say it is fine and a SECOND judge say it was overly broad and illegal.

I definitely can see where they should have written "white envelope containing a google number written on it" on the search warrant. Silly, careless police. :facepalm::shame:

I was just showing you that yes that is what the LEO said they did. Went in and took what they wanted. It their words not mine. And on the google envelope it was in the trash and they said didnt have to have warrant for that . No expectation for privacy once put in trash out side the house.
 
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