AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[IzzyBlanche]

Hmmm.

More requests and more documents followed, although Perel said the magazine hasn’t got everything it wanted. “Do I have more information on the Duggars in general?” he said. “Yes, I’d say we have some significant things coming out,” though he declined to say what.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...dabc4a-0bbe-11e5-95fd-d580f1c5d44e_story.html

 

[human]

Hmmm.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...dabc4a-0bbe-11e5-95fd-d580f1c5d44e_story.html

Wow! I wonder what is next

 

[Mrs G Norris]

As predicted, there are more rattling bones in the Duggars closets, maybe this is the real reason they've been threatening to sue, to stop the rest of it from tumbling out.

 

[joypath]

They said licensed professional,counseling? What kind? How to spin to the media effectively?

BBM:

AND.......since this "lpc" was SO successful, WHY has it not been publicized (or in this group's case, "profitized") as the magic bullet to cure young, experimental "oopses" on the other gender!?

Nope, IMHO licensed, professional and even the term counseling are not applicable to the "construction chatter"!


Totally scripted interviews, totally spun!

 

[human]

BBM:

AND.......since this "lpc" was SO successful, WHY has it not been publicized (or in this group's case, "profitized") as the magic bullet to cure young, experimental "oopses" on the other gender!?

Nope, IMHO licensed, professional and even the term counseling are not applicable to the "construction chatter"!


Totally scripted interviews, totally spun!

I think you are onto something. The big reveal. Duggar counseling services!

 

[Ladylub]

I think you are onto something. The big reveal. Duggar counseling services!

Well the Duggars do have their own how to become your husband's ..... I mean marriage counseling class.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Did you all notice that both the parents, and the daughters mentioned that Josh had had to pay for his own counselling? What was the significance of that do you think? I thought it was a really strange point to emphasise .. I don't really understand why the Duggars think that's so important?

:waitasec:

 

[mrsobrien]

Did you all notice that both the parents, and the daughters mentioned that Josh had had to pay for his own counselling? What was the significance of that do you think? I thought it was a really strange point to emphasise .. I don't really understand why the Duggars think that's so important?

:waitasec:

I noticed that too. Did he have independent income at 14, or is this indicating that counseling supposedly occur far later?

 

[thesiren]

Maybe they just mean TLC didn't pay since the network likely paid for a lot of things at one point?

 

[mrsobrien]

Maybe they just mean TLC didn't pay since the network likely paid for a lot of things at one point?

TLC wasn't involved until a few years after the molestations, so if that's when the alleged coinseling took place, it was too little too late.

I don't think we've been given the information we need to figure this out. It's frustrating.

 

[Ladylub]

I noticed that too. Did he have independent income at 14, or is this indicating that counseling supposedly occur far later?

During the interview with the girls on here there were a few who wondered when the counseling took place b/c of how the question was answered.

"KELLY: For you looking back, with the exclusion of the disclosure of it today, you know, in the recent weeks, what was the most difficult part of it for you?

SEEWALD: You said with the exclusion of today?

KELLY: Yeah.

SEEWALD: I don't think we can exclude today. I mean, definitely it was difficult whenever all this came up, you know, the shock of this happened and then - then talking about it with the family and counseling, I mean, every step was just kind of like difficult to walk through, but I'd definitely say that the.

DILLARD: Now.

SEEWALD: . past two weeks have been a thousand times worse for us."
*http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/06/05/exclusive-duggar-sisters-want-to-set-record-straight/

"Whenever all this came up" was that in reference to the molestation or the story breaking. Kind of leaves it open to thinking it may have been recent counseling how she worded it.

 

[wendiesan]

Up-thread there was a discussion about levels of sexual molestation.

Hollywood Life, talked to two defence attorneys about possible legal problems for JD stemming from the incident/s. (JMO, but these are the incidents Oprah found out about and which the Duggar parents spoke of. There may have been more.)

According to HL's sources,

The allegations against Josh would most likely have been prosecuted as sexual assault in the second degree (A.C.A. section 5-14-125), defined as sexual conduct with a person less than fourteen years old by a person who is under the age of eighteen. This is a class B felony. The statute of limitations for a class B felony is three years. The statute of limitations is extended if the offense is committed against a minor. In that case, the three years does not begin until the victim turns eighteen.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-facing-criminal-charges-molesting-attorneys-react/

So, it is unlikely that charges would be pressed.

 

[lisalei321]

Up-thread there was a discussion about levels of sexual molestation.

Hollywood Life, talked to two defence attorneys about possible legal problems for JD stemming from the incident/s. (JMO, but these are the incidents Oprah found out about and which the Duggar parents spoke of. There may have been more.)

According to HL's sources,


http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-facing-criminal-charges-molesting-attorneys-react/

So, it is unlikely that charges would be pressed.

Wait...isn't one if the victim's still a minor?

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[BritsKate]

The Duggars used the Gothard- approved book " To Train Up a Child" by Michael Pearl.
It is available to read free in an Internet download. I read it. I felt sick, then extremely angry.
Jill, the one who has the baby boy already here, says that she will regulate Israel's feeding schedule, nap time and bedtime according to a strict schedule. This is very reminiscent of " To Train Up a Child". It all begins as subtle neglect of a newborn.

Back to the molestation, which is the main subject of the thread, I think we now know what the family is selling and will continue to say. My hope is that anyone who is as tired of these hypocritical phonies as I am " Gay is a crime but our son just experimented and committed a sin" will sign petitions online to have 19 Kids and Counting cancelled, and also contact their sponsors to express displeasure at the white-washing and burying of the truth.
I don't think there's any way Jim Bob didn't hand pick that state trooper he reported Josh to, knowing the guy was into pedophilia.

Just to jump off your post...

One anecdotal story Michael proudly shares in 'To Train Up a Child' is how he persuaded a father to hose his 3 year old child off with a garden house, in Autumn, for using his diaper instead of the toilet. First, Michael Pearl suggests having a 'man-to-man' talk about the environment and landfills. The father expresses concern such a discussion is going to emotionally damage his toddler son. So the next best solution is to hose him off, naked, outside and shivering. Because that's guaranteed not to do any long-term damage.

Ultimately, TTUAC simply teaches children their parents can't be trusted. It's advocating abuse under the guise of religious obedience. At least 3 children have died by their parent's hands who have used the Pearls methods - and scores of survivors post openly online sharing their stories - so for so many reasons, I really wish networks would stop glorifying families like these in a search for ratings. How about an expose on how damaging these beliefs and principles really are?

Of course, the ministry behind this book is co-founded by wife, Debi Pearl, who wrote in her own book that if a man is abusive towards his wife, it's because she hasn't revered her husband enough. I only wish I were joking.

JMO and FWIW

http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/october/when-child-discipline-becomes-abuse.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/12417...ndrome:_christian_women_and_domestic_violence

 

[human]

Up-thread there was a discussion about levels of sexual molestation.

Hollywood Life, talked to two defence attorneys about possible legal problems for JD stemming from the incident/s. (JMO, but these are the incidents Oprah found out about and which the Duggar parents spoke of. There may have been more.)

According to HL's sources,


http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-facing-criminal-charges-molesting-attorneys-react/

So, it is unlikely that charges would be pressed.

It sounds to me like it can be. He assaulted a minor who still is not 18. Or am I reading this wrong?

Is this why the records were destroyed?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

You made some very important points. From a 2012 article in Social Work Today:

Abuse Obscured in Chaotic Families
Sibling sexual abuse victims often live in dysfunctional family environments that subtly foster incestuous behaviors and are not conducive to disclosing the secret. Sibling incest appears more likely to occur in large families characterized by physical and emotional violence, marital discord, explicit and implicit sexual tensions, and blurred intrafamilial boundaries. Emotionally and/or physically absent parents may empower older siblings to assume parental roles. In short, these families are chaotic and unlikely to recognize the significance of behaviors occurring between siblings. If sexual behaviors are noticed, they are likely to be minimized and misinterpreted as a normal aspect of childhood development. Lack of adequate parental supervision provides perpetrators with ongoing opportunities to offend and protects the secret, leaving the victim vulnerable to continuing abuse (Asherman & Safier, 1990; Caffaro & Conn-Caffaro, 2005).

http://www.socialworktoday.com/archive/111312p18.shtml

Oh WOW!

The Duggar family in a nutshell...

IMO

 

[Hoosgirl]

It sounds to me like it can be. He assaulted a minor who still is not 18. Or am I reading this wrong?

Is this why the records were destroyed?

Apparently the SOL exemption doesn't apply if previously reported to LE.

But, if it is true that they told Hutchens it only happened once, then the minor exception is still available?

Even if so, I don't see anything happening.

And I suppose the 2006 investigation would cover reporting to LE anyway.

Doesn't appear that Hignite talked to Hutchens according to the police report. I think he dropped the ball there.

 

[Hoosgirl]

Oh, snap. Megyn Kelly blasts the media for FOIA requesting the police report ... and it turns out Fox filed a request too!

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...are-still-hiding-after-second-interview-60110

 

[nightwatch]

Oh, snap. Megyn Kelly blasts the media for FOIA requesting the police report ... and it turns out Fox filed a request too!

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...are-still-hiding-after-second-interview-60110

Idk if Megan should hang her hat on this Duggar story. I finally watch 5min of the interview before I couldn't stand it. Every question was framed by your critics , excused the hell out of me Megan but society in general don't take kindly to anyone protecting a child molester much less at the expense of the victims. What little bit i did see of the interview was down right shameful. Trying to give these finger wagging beacons of pregnancy room to cry they are victims. Girl please! Go back to interviewing Jeb Bush. Smdh

ciao

 

[leah]

That video of the engagement btw Josh and Anna, how classy. I was waiting for him to tell her how much he spent on the ring. And she sits there all giddy and starring up at him, no wonder she wasn't hungry. Then her parents come waltzing in, the whole thing gave me the creeps. And I loved the road trip, Anna's sisters in the backseat, cackling and talking while the two lovebirds were holding hands and reading from the Bible. I would have passed out from the excitement.