Identified! AR - Whitehall Motel in El Dorado, WhtFem, 81UFAR, 18-21, Jul'91 - #1 - Kelly from VA

[JaneInOz]

Definitely see some similarities but there are a couple things that are nagging at me. Rebecca was 21 went she went missing in '79. That would make her 33 in '91. I do feel that our JD may have been older than the 18-21 range, but not that much older! Rebecca is said to have green eyes and JD's were blue. The height is a bit off and although I generally don't put too much stock in that, 5' 11" is pretty unusual for a woman. JMO

I agree with the age thing also

But the thing that pertubs me the most is all the freckles of JD

I cant see them on Rebecca at all

I honestly do not think its her but that is jmo

 

[capoly]

Definitely see some similarities but there are a couple things that are nagging at me. Rebecca was 21 went she went missing in '79. That would make her 33 in '91. I do feel that our JD may have been older than the 18-21 range, but not that much older! Rebecca is said to have green eyes and JD's were blue. The height is a bit off and although I generally don't put too much stock in that, 5' 11" is pretty unusual for a woman. JMO

Looks like the age est for UID was upped:
Case # 475-91
Union Co. AR
20 to 30 year old
White Female
https://identifyus.org/?p=case&i=2813&=8&s=DateFound_DESC&from=search

But no reason given for the 9 year increase.

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Madea -

since you have the contact, perhaps best if you submit? I am so new at this...and am already working on another case trying to learn.

thank you!!

ThANK YOU OC! I will submit this tomorrow, after I speak with Detective Phillips (I really want to know JD's timeline) However, I am convinced these are one & the same.....
I was thinking about Rebecca Jean Dunn's situation, it could be that she fabricated her DOB, especially if she was working as an Exotic dancer or in a casino in LV, you have to be 18, in order to do those things, so she very well could have been underage when she was there, hence their age differences.
:waitasec:The only pic of Rebecca looks like a teenager to me, but, then I am told that I certainly don't look old enough to be a grandmother, for sure I am, so it's hard for me to tell someones age, unless I am related to them and know exactly when they were born.....
Just a little note, the first time I sent an email to suggest a match, I was scared out of my wits, but, once I realized that it was received so graciously & that they really do appreciate our involvement, I have not hestitated since & especially if ya'll agree on that match!

After, I hear back from LE & ME, I will post it here & all the rule outs, too!

I'll be back!



Jeremiah 29:11-14

 

[JaneInOz]

I wouldn't submit

I dont think Rebecca is this JD

If you look at JD's eyebrows when looking directly at her on the right side the eyebrow is higher and arched.

She has a cowlick Rebecca that is and JD doesnt

Their face shapes are also wrong JD's is longer and her chin more rounder

Sorry but I really do not think this is her

These are physical things that do not change with time

 

[Fairy1]

Thank you MBB! It's a pleasure to have you - and your enthusiasm - here! I look forward to hearing what they say about Rebecca.

 

[JaneInOz]

Thank you MBB! It's a pleasure to have you - and your enthusiasm - here! I look forward to hearing what they say about Rebecca.

Sorry I am not trying to put a dampner on anything.

But I thought that Tricia and the mods said not to keep on submitting people without being completely sure

If there are other people who have questions as to suitability for submission then these should be taken into consideration

That is what I was under the impression of via the mods..but I will pm one and double check. Perhaps I misunderstood

 

[Fairy1]

Sorry I am not trying to put a dampner on anything.

But I thought that Tricia and the mods said not to keep on submitting people without being completely sure

If there are other people who have questions as to suitability for submission then these should be taken into consideration

That is what I was under the impression of via the mods..but I will pm one and double check. Perhaps I misunderstood

If anyone could be completely sure, we wouldn't be here. If there are people who agree on a possible match and we have receptive LE, I believe possibles should be submitted. That's JMO, of course.

 

[MadeaBecBec]

I agree with the age thing also

But the thing that pertubs me the most is all the freckles of JD

I cant see them on Rebecca at all

I honestly do not think its her but that is jmo

I didn't see freckles on the Jane's pics either, until I saw her post-mortem pics, I believe the lighting makes a difference, plus the makeup! Another thing, the pic of Rebecca (only one out there) was made in 1979 or before! Rebecca still had a "babyface" IMO!!!

And about that cowlick, well, I have several cowlicks, Good Lawd, thank you for giving someone the intelligence to invent hairgels & stronghold hairsprays!

Thanks for your opinion though!

Compare these! Seems our JD was getting "pro" at stylin' her hair, the one to your left looks like she hadn't really "set" her hair. Now the pic on your right, the eyes is what has it for me!

 

[JaneInOz]

Bec ( your name is too long to post LOL)

Did you look at the eybrows ? not the shape as in the plucking of them but the size shape and line of them
JD's arch up look at her face and to your right that eybrow is arched
The one of the left not so

But both Rebeccas are quite flat and the space between the eyebrow and the eye is very different

Look I know how hard it is when you are convinced someone is someone (lol ) and people say no way no how - I have a couple of those happening at the moment and its hard....

But whilst LE could be receptive atm if people submit over and over when there isn't a LOT of people agreeing and a not really any differences then they may not be so receptive

Maybe have a few more opinions ?

I thought I found another pic of her a tiny one but its a girl with a diff surname geeze what are the chances of that ! same first and second name same blond hair but on deeper delving dob and surname are diff although they look very similar AND missing date is diff
But google through it up in images when I searched for Rebecca (this one we are discussing )

 

[believe09]

I didn't see freckles on the Jane's pics either, until I saw her post-mortem pics, I believe the lighting makes a difference, plus the makeup! Another thing, the pic of Rebecca (only one out there) was made in 1979 or before! Rebecca still had a "babyface" IMO!!!

And about that cowlick, well, I have several cowlicks, Good Lawd, thank you for giving someone the intelligence to invent hairgels & stronghold hairsprays!

Thanks for your opinion though!

Compare these! Seems our JD was getting "pro" at stylin' her hair, the one to your left looks like she hadn't really "set" her hair. Now the pic on your right, the eyes is what has it for me!

FWIW, I am not seeing Rebecca and the JD as the same person either. I think the shape of the face is completely different-not baby fat, just bone structure.

I will be fascinated to see what LE thinks Madea-please keep us posted! Should be an easy rule in/out based on prints and DNA right???

 

[believe09]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74855

Christine2448 put this sticky up in this forum in November, but I thought it was worth looking at.

FWIW-Submitting something based primarily on appearance can be tricky. If I have a likely match, I contact LE for the Missing Case and see what additional information might be in the file; if there are prints, photos, dentals, DNA and where they are entered. For example-are the missing persons prints in AFIS? Do I know if the UID's prints are in AFIS? If they both are, then clearly it is not a match. Is the DNA for both in CODIS? If yes, then clearly they are not a match. Is there a tattoo, piercing or scar not mentioned on the websites I have visited?

If the match still seems compelling, post it for fellow sleuthers in the thread and ask their opinion regarding any additional information found-a consensus is always a good thing. If the consensus is that it is likely, then I usually reach out to the detective in the Missing Persons case regarding the UID, explaining the reasons I think it is compelling. They will decide themselves, and typically reach out to the ME for the UID.

 

[OC Lady]

I guess we will all have to agree to disagree....I don't think we can make any decisions by the freckles, since they did not show in any pics until the post mortems...the eyebrow thing is tricky as well, because the UID's arched brow is not arched in all pics...(no offense to Jane) -

Anyway, I would certainly not want to waste LE's time or come off looking silly...perhaps a couple of phone calls would be in order - esp since there is an indication that there is DNA available for Rebecca...but the Doe Network listing doesn't state if it is in CODIS or not.

I am happy to help if Bec needs me to do so...

BTW I just received news that a possible match on another case was ruled out thru DNA - and everyone thought that one was spot on! So, who knows...I guess that's what we are here for and what makes it challenging and potentially rewarding....

 

[MadeaBecBec]

I have not submitted Rebecca Dunn, just yet, I'm waiting to talk with Detective Phillips (El Dorado PD) about our Jane Doe, would like to find out the dates that JD was staying with the Stroud Family in Dallas, TX, first.... Detective Phillips is one busy Lady! She won't be back in the office until Monday (2-9-09) The timeline at the Strouds is good to know, also, JD may have given them info about her past, of course, JD had told many stories & used many aliases, so I'm not sure it will help, but if JD was staying with them prior to Ms. Dunn going missing, that will rule her out! JD sure moved around alot (according to her) so Las Vegas wouldn't be all that strange to consider!
Guess we'll just have to hurry up & wait!

Ol Madea BecBec will be back! Hopefully with some pertinent info!:crazy:


Jeremiah 29:11-14

 

[JaneInOz]

I have not submitted Rebecca Dunn, just yet, I'm waiting to talk with Detective Phillips (El Dorado PD) about our Jane Doe, would like to find out the dates that JD was staying with the Stroud Family in Dallas, TX, first.... Detective Phillips is one busy Lady! She won't be back in the office until Monday (2-9-09) The timeline at the Strouds is good to know, also, JD may have given them info about her past, of course, JD had told many stories & used many aliases, so I'm not sure it will help, but if JD was staying with them prior to Ms. Dunn going missing, that will rule her out! JD sure moved around alot (according to her) so Las Vegas wouldn't be all that strange to consider!
Guess we'll just have to hurry up & wait!

Ol Madea BecBec will be back! Hopefully with some pertinent info!:crazy:


Jeremiah 29:11-14

Good stuff Madea becbec Be interesting to see what the Detective tells you

What does your user name mean btw ?

 

[believe09]

I have not submitted Rebecca Dunn, just yet, I'm waiting to talk with Detective Phillips (El Dorado PD) about our Jane Doe, would like to find out the dates that JD was staying with the Stroud Family in Dallas, TX, first.... Detective Phillips is one busy Lady! She won't be back in the office until Monday (2-9-09) The timeline at the Strouds is good to know, also, JD may have given them info about her past, of course, JD had told many stories & used many aliases, so I'm not sure it will help, but if JD was staying with them prior to Ms. Dunn going missing, that will rule her out! JD sure moved around alot (according to her) so Las Vegas wouldn't be all that strange to consider!
Guess we'll just have to hurry up & wait!

Ol Madea BecBec will be back! Hopefully with some pertinent info!:crazy:


Jeremiah 29:11-14

Thank you so much! :blowkiss:

 

[OC Lady]

Ok - I may be totally off base on this one, but take a look at Michelle Mulcahy

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/366dffl.html

What struck me : the circumstances of her disappearance from Florida (where our UID told friends she was from), the height, the hair/eye color, her "longish" face, and the scar under her left breast...she disappeared in 1979...she was only 16 then and if she went into prostitution at that time, she had alot of time to travel around...the age is a fit too...

What do you think?

The Doe Network listing states fingerprints are available...does this mean they are in CODIS?

I meant AFIS...

Also, UID's listing states she is in CODIS, but Michelle's listing does not...

 

[OC Lady]

Just thought I would post again to move this up...still wondering what you all think about Michelle Mulcahy...and what "Fingerprints Available" means...

also, does anyone think Rebecca Dunn is worth pursuing at all?

I guess I am worried about not doing this "right" and appearing foolish to LE - or even worse, wasting their time...

I wish we had a list of rule outs on this Jane Doe...is her information in CODIS and AFIS?

 

[JaneInOz]

Just thought I would post again to move this up...still wondering what you all think about Michelle Mulcahy...and what "Fingerprints Available" means...

also, does anyone think Rebecca Dunn is worth pursuing at all?

I guess I am worried about not doing this "right" and appearing foolish to LE - or even worse, wasting their time...

I wish we had a list of rule outs on this Jane Doe...is her information in CODIS and AFIS?

Hi

OC Lady do you have photoshop or similar ? one of the best ways to establishing whether people are a good match is to do side by sides.
Have you done that yet with Michelle and This JaneDoe?

I've gone ahead and done one, It involves copying and cutting and pasting and merging and re copying and pasting and so on.

I honestly 100% do not believe that this is a match. This Jane Doe has a very very long face as testament to all the many photos of her

Michelles face if you go from tip of her crown at forehead to the bottom of her jaw is no where near as long as jane does. Bone structure is also different

As is the Nose Mouth and Chin

Sorry!

Fingerprints available means just that - they are available for comparison etc.
Jane does are there because of her arrest
I also do not think Rebecca is a match as per the photo side by side I did earlier and the differences

 

[OC Lady]

Thank you Jane...I don't have photoshop and am not good with any kind of technical stuff...good thing there are people like you on this board!!

I thought Michelle was a real long shot...but want to post for others opinions because of the interesting similarities....

thanks.

 

[JaneInOz]

Thank you Jane...I don't have photoshop and am not good with any kind of technical stuff...good thing there are people like you on this board!!

I thought Michelle was a real long shot...but want to post for others opinions because of the interesting similarities....

thanks.

Of course , of course that was just my opinion on her