ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #8

[Sealuzna]

Sorry don't understand your post CSIS is not like the CIA or the Public Safety Minister in Canada is not formally the head of CSIS?

Toews isn't the head of CSIS. He's a politician (Member of Federal Parliament, or "MP", aka "a Federal Minister" of the House of Commons)

Personally I'd compare CSIS to the FBI, not the CIA.

 

[Sealuzna]

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...labatt/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

loved this:

"What Gardner meant was that the association of your brand with a negative, horrifying image or idea, say an alleged cannibal-killer, can hurt sales, in the same way as positive, uplifting images can help sales. Magnotta’s “endorsement” of Blue would, on this view, have much the same impact as most celebrity endorsements, only in reverse.

There’s nothing rational about it either way, of course. The idea that Magnotta’s alleged crimes would somehow have been related to his fondness for drinking Blue is only slightly more tenuous than the idea that drinking Blue would cause hundreds of sexy girls to show up at your parties. The difference is that advertisers have invested heavily in encouraging one form of irrational association and not the other."

Did you see the twitter hashtag #newlabattcampaign? It's hilarious! (well, if you can see around the crime and victim here)

 

[Sealuzna]

With regard to Vic Toews' proposed Internet surveillance bill, the reaction was swift. Someone even started aTwitter feed exposing details of his messy divorce to show him what it's like to have someone pry onto one's personal affairs. He pulled in his horns pretty quick.

Yeah I watched that all unfold. Another hilarious hashtag was born: #donttoewsmebro (for those who don't know, Toews is pronounced "Taze" LOL)

In fact, he's probably reading this right now!

 

[otto]

It's a slippery slope, is what it is. It begins with smut and *advertiser censored* and then before you know it ALL free speech is curtailed. Censorship is a dnagerous thing.

I don't think so. Canada, a democracy, is not going to impose irrational constraints on people. Search warrants will always be needed to snoop in people's homes, computers, phones and electronic messages. Canadians have freedom of expression, but there are reasonable expectations ... like ... Canadians cannot protest at someone's funeral because they think the deceased practiced amoral deeds and was struck down by God. Canadians are typically not paranoid about Big Brother invading their lives ... no reason to start being paranoid just because the details of a creepy murderer have been made public.

 

[jeanne]

Did you see the twitter hashtag #newlabattcampaign? It's hilarious! (well, if you can see around the crime and victim here)

OMG! I just went to look! It is gallows humor for sure, but sometimes we need just that to release pent up tension. I know this case has affected me deeply enough to need a bit of levity, even if it is in extremely bad taste.

 

[JayFriend]

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...labatt/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

loved this:

"What Gardner meant was that the association of your brand with a negative, horrifying image or idea, say an alleged cannibal-killer, can hurt sales, in the same way as positive, uplifting images can help sales. Magnotta’s “endorsement” of Blue would, on this view, have much the same impact as most celebrity endorsements, only in reverse.

There’s nothing rational about it either way, of course. The idea that Magnotta’s alleged crimes would somehow have been related to his fondness for drinking Blue is only slightly more tenuous than the idea that drinking Blue would cause hundreds of sexy girls to show up at your parties. The difference is that advertisers have invested heavily in encouraging one form of irrational association and not the other."

I fail to see how a picture of Magnotta with a bottle of Labatt's Blue could cause the brewery any harm. It's Canada's most popular beer. I'm sure Labatt's making a fuss about it was a carefully planned PR move to get even more exposure. Now, showing him with a cup of Tim Horton's coffee would be something else! Tim's gets more "unintended" product placement than any other company, from politicians holding cups, to empty cups littering the streets.

 

[Sealuzna]

I don't think so. Canada, a democracy, is not going to impose irrational constraints on people. Search warrants will always be needed to snoop in people's homes, computers, phones and electronic messages. Canadians have freedom of expression, but there are reasonable expectations ... like ... Canadians cannot protest at someone's funeral because they think the deceased practiced amoral deeds and was struck down by God. Canadians are typically not paranoid about Big Brother invading their lives ... no reason to start being paranoid just because the details of a creepy murderer have been made public.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Google Bill C-30 (aka Canada's Warrantless Surveillance Bill)

 

[jeanne]

I don't think so. Canada, a democracy, is not going to impose irrational constraints on people. Search warrants will always be needed to snoop in people's homes, computers, phones and electronic messages. Canadians have freedom of expression, but there are reasonable expectations ... like ... Canadians cannot protest at someone's funeral because they think the deceased practiced amoral deeds and was struck down by God. Canadians are typically not paranoid about Big Brother invading their lives ... no reason to start being paranoid just because the details of a creepy murderer have been made public.

You must live in a different Canada than I do, my friend. Are you SERIOUS?

 

[Reannan]

I have never heard of transfer of prisoners by private plane. Perhaps transferred by our Canadian Armed Forces plane? Do we still have an open base in Germany.

For what it is worth, I was on a flight once that had a "high risk prisoner" on the plane, but he was "escorted by Federal Marshals", or so the flight attendant told us. He did arrive in handcuffs and was escorted by two Federal Marshals onto the plane before anyone else got on. I believe they sat in the very back of the plane. I was on this flight because I had missed the regular flight, and when the attendant was rescheduling me, she asked if I had any problem with being on a flight with a "prisoner that was being escorted, blah, blah, blah". I always wondered what the regular passengers were told about that flight. In short, the prisoner on the flight I was on, was escorted on the plane before anyone else, and was escorted off the plane after everyone else had departed. For what it is worth, I did not recognize him from anything here on WS's. :crazy: I would think that in the case of LM, he is SO recognizable, it might be a problem for the airline to have him on a regular flight. I would expect that he will be on a plane with very few people, at a very late hour. :twocents:

 

[jeanne]

For what it is worth, I was on a flight once that had a "high risk prisoner" on the plane, but he was "escorted by Federal Marshals", or so the flight attendant told us. He did arrive in handcuffs and was escorted by two Federal Marshals onto the plane before anyone else got on. I believe they sat in the very back of the plane. I was on this flight because I had missed the regular flight, and when the attendant was rescheduling me, she asked if I had any problem with being on a flight with a "prisoner that was being escorted, blah, blah, blah". I always wondered what the regular passengers were told about that flight. In short, the prisoner on the flight I was on, was escorted on the plane before anyone else, and was escorted off the plane after everyone else had departed. For what it is worth, I did not recognize him from anything here on WS's. :crazy: I would think that in the case of LM, he is SO recognizable, it might be a problem for the airline to have him on a regular flight. I would expect that he will be on a plane with very few people, at a very late hour. :twocents:

Actually, even after seeing Luka's arrest pic, I think if he was seated in the back of a plane, dressed in jeans and a t-shirt, or something similar, I still wouldn't look at him twice. He really is non-descript. Just an average looking guy.

 

[Sealuzna]

Actually, even after seeing Luka's arrest pic, I think if he was seated in the back of a plane, dressed in jeans and a t-shirt, or something similar, I still wouldn't look at him twice. He really is non-descript. Just an average looking guy.

Same here. I'm confident he's no longer allowed foundation, blusher and that hideous blue eyeshadow.

 

[jeanne]

Same here. I'm confident he's no longer allowed foundation, blusher and that hideous blue eyeshadow.

I think they took away his markers too, so gone are those caterpiller-like eyebrows! Seriously though, the only thing that might tip me off are those dead dead eyes.

 

[JayFriend]

For what it is worth, I was on a flight once that had a "high risk prisoner" on the plane, but he was "escorted by Federal Marshals", or so the flight attendant told us. He did arrive in handcuffs and was escorted by two Federal Marshals onto the plane before anyone else got on. I believe they sat in the very back of the plane. I was on this flight because I had missed the regular flight, and when the attendant was rescheduling me, she asked if I had any problem with being on a flight with a "prisoner that was being escorted, blah, blah, blah". I always wondered what the regular passengers were told about that flight. In short, the prisoner on the flight I was on, was escorted on the plane before anyone else, and was escorted off the plane after everyone else had departed. For what it is worth, I did not recognize him from anything here on WS's. :crazy: I would think that in the case of LM, he is SO recognizable, it might be a problem for the airline to have him on a regular flight. I would expect that he will be on a plane with very few people, at a very late hour. :twocents:

I have no factual information on this, but I would think an airline would be obligated to inform all passengers that an escorted prisoner was on board. I could just see someone who didn't know and found out afterwards suing the airline, claiming they're having nightmares afterwards.

 

[otto]

Yeah I watched that all unfold. Another hilarious hashtag was born: #donttoewsmebro (for those who don't know, Toews is pronounced "Taze" LOL)

In fact, he's probably reading this right now!

I had a history prof with that name ... it was pronounced taves.

 

[otto]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Google Bill C-30 (aka Canada's Warrantless Surveillance Bill)

It hasn't been passed and has received huge opposition across the country. As a result of the opposition, wasn't it shelved?

"Public outrage at the government's proposed Internet surveillance laws boiled over Thursday, as thousands of Canadians made their objections loud and clear on the Twitterverse."

http://www2.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=4d1c4fbf-1dbb-4c69-9a47-c0ab3daae0ca

 

[otto]

You must live in a different Canada than I do, my friend. Are you SERIOUS?

I sure am. Canadians are not normally paranoid about big brother.

 

[Sealuzna]

I had a history prof with that name ... it was pronounced taves.

You're right! It's actually TaVes. (the hashtag had the same effect though, because it rhymed with Taze LOL)

 

[jeanne]

I sure am. Canadians are not normally paranoid about big brother.

Perhaps the Canadians YOU know are not, Otto, but please don't make a blanket statement like that. The Canadians I know are most certainly concerned about their privacy being invaded by not so well meaning politicians and government agencies. It's good practice NOT to generalize.

 

[Sealuzna]

It hasn't been passed and has received huge opposition across the country. As a result of the opposition, it was shelved.

http://www2.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=4d1c4fbf-1dbb-4c69-9a47-c0ab3daae0ca

Yes, I believe I mentioned that earlier. It'll be back in the HoC in the fall.

 

[Sealuzna]

I sure am. Canadians are not normally paranoid about big brother.

Canadians have spoken loud and clear about C30, according to the news report you just posted yourself.

The opposition to it from most Canadians went viral.