ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #9

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Scientific said:
No, I did not notice though I did see that he glanced around as if scoping out hidden gunmen. And I figured that the military jet was meant to protect him from being murdered before the trial, if not to protect ordinary citizens.
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I got the impression he was drinking in the scene and would have liked it to last a bit longer.,
 
Scientific said:
No, I did not notice though I did see that he glanced around as if scoping out hidden gunmen. And I figured that the military jet was meant to protect him from being murdered before the trial, if not to protect ordinary citizens.
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Yeh I saw hijm looking around, it hit me like he was surprisied there was only one cameraman!
 
Chorley8 said:
To me lots of signs this is not a normal case. He is being treated very respectfully which hardly fits the crime unless it is the threat to the P.M. that had upgraded him.

Have we not all seen suspects and prisoners being transported, legs in chains, guns pointed at them say to and from Prince Albert Pen? Why is he being transported, led arm and arm, in white shoes by these guys in suits I joked in a brief earlier post that they were the same two as those who rescued him from the Fusilliers in Wembley but it is actually quite similar.
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I think they are just trying very hard to do everything right. They don't want him getting off on some technicality, like police brutality, or some such thing. It is a high profile case...they are just being careful. I am quite sure they have learned by example from cases such as O.J Simpson and Casey Anthony. Even the Bernardo/Homolka case was rushed through so that she walked away after 12 years, and personally I have always believed her to be the murderer, not Paul.
 
Maybe I need to watch the video again, but I didn't notice anything at all interesting about the transfer from the plane to the car. I'm always impressed how LE is able to keep their heads about them when handling such a notorious criminal, but it's what I would have expected.

That said, they did have a machine gun on him and I noticed that the guy at the top of the stairs made a "here comes the cuffed prisoner" hand signal a couple of times. That didn't strike me as particularly "kid glove" for lack of a better term.

As for lm, there was, imo, nothing notable about his demeanor, at all. One way or the other. jmo
 
jeanne said:
I think they are just trying very hard to do everything right. They don't want him getting off on some technicality, like police brutality, or some such thing. It is a high profile case...they are just being careful. I am quite sure they have learned by example from cases such as O.J Simpson and Casey Anthony. Even the Bernardo/Homolka case was rushed through so that she walked away after 12 years, and personally I have always believed her to be the murderer, not Paul.
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Right. And they don't want him to provoke an altercation, or have lm throw himself down the stairs or do something else that's going to result in suicide by cop. jmo
 
I'm guessing that his intelligence quotient is in the bright (but not genius) range (115-135) for a number of reasons:

1. his mind would become sharpened and hyper-vigilant due to his stressful, dangerous lifestyle

2. it seems that he knew a fair amount of both French and Russian. and he might have taught himself what he did know.

3. there is a tremendous amount of fantasy and imagination that went into his personas and his methods. he seems more the organized offender with an elaborate imagination than the disorganized offender.

4. while his online presence might create a sense of idiocy in some regards, it seems to have mostly been smoke and mirrors so our assessment of his intellect (via grammar and sentence structure) should not be based directly off these online writings

5. his writing reflects that he lacks higher education but it says almost nothing about his fluid intellect

6. he doesn't look dumb. i realize this is a vague point but mentally challenged people don't have that kind of poise. neither am I saying that he's got grace. he just doesn't look like an imbecile.

7. he traveled the world to some degree (yes, he doctored some travel photos but not all) and explored many alternate lifestyle choices, which seems to betray a curiosity and independence that would allow for higher intellect.

8. supposedly he was computer savvy enough to use proxies and the deep web. sure, anyone could use them but your average person is usually not going to be that aware of these things because of it being challenging to navigate initially.


The things that I believe prevented him from having a genius iq are a one-track obsessiveness, lack of an environment that would have nurtured his intellect rather than simply heightening his survival skills, emotional rigidity that may or may not have resulted from abuse, and a preference for self-indulgence over learning. Further, he wasn't able to escape the lifestyle that was crushing him; he simply adapted to it and let it warp him whereas someone smarter would have in time realized that there were other options. Drugs might also have played a part though I think the role of drugs in limiting intellect is often overstated.

As for his dignity and compassion and every other virtue, he gets a big fat zero...no, he gets a negative value.

susan1122 said:
That makes sense....if his IQ was that low he wouldn't even comprehend what he was cut and pasting.
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You menton Homolka and that brings up something I have been thinking about. I think LM might be in for some unusual treatment. Stephen Williams who wrote two books on the case wrote the passages below in the Globe note his use of the word "illegal".

"The CSC was going to reevaluate their relationship with Ms. Homolka and, in the process reinvent her as psychopath or at least a person too dangerous to be released on parole. In aid of that undertaking, they were going to fly her - in an airplane borrowed from the RCMP - at Thanksgiving, again in the middle of the night, to a maximum security cell in CSC’s Regional Psychiatric Centre in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. There, in spite of the fact it was against the law they would prod and probe her psychiatrically and, by hook or by crook, redefine her. After four months in that hell hole, in early 2001, they shipped Karla back to a un-secured psychiatric hospital named Pinel in north Montreal."

Here are the letters of KH they are interesting re the discussion here about the nature of psychopaths. I disagree with Williams I do not think they needed to make her into a psychopath but still the degree of illegal psychiatric intervention is interesting and it was designed to make up for their bungling of the case.

http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/partners/free/khletters/
 
girlinblue said:
I got the feeling she was ambushed a little bit. The guy says "You didn't know until I told you" about the murder/video/etc. I don't know. That's just my opinion.
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She may have been. I just remembered that I saw her early on. However, if she was ambushed on the first occasion, she didn't shy away from subsequent interviews. Which isn't to say she isn't credible. Mostly just trying to keep track of the details, myself.
 
Scientific said:
I'm guessing that his intelligence quotient is in the bright (but not genius) range (115-135) for a number of reasons:

1. his mind would become sharpened and hyper-vigilant due to his stressful, dangerous lifestyle

2. it seems that he knew a fair amount of both French and Russian. and he might have taught himself what he did know.

3. there is a tremendous amount of fantasy and imagination that went into his personas and his methods. he seems more the organized offender with an elaborate imagination than the disorganized offender.

4. while his online presence might create a sense of idiocy in some regards, it seems to have mostly been smoke and mirrors so our assessment of his intellect (via grammar and sentence structure) should not be based directly off these online writings

5. his writing reflects that he lacks higher education but it says almost nothing about his fluid intellect

6. he doesn't look dumb. i realize this is a vague point but mentally challenged people don't have that kind of poise. neither am I saying that he's got grace. he just doesn't look like an imbecile.

7. he traveled the world to some degree (yes, he doctored some travel photos but not all) and explored many alternate lifestyle choices, which seems to betray a curiosity and independence that would allow for higher intellect.

8. supposedly he was computer savvy enough to use proxies and the deep web. sure, anyone could use them but your average person is usually not going to be that aware of these things because of it being challenging to navigate initially.


The things that I believe prevented him from having a genius iq are a one-track obsessiveness, lack of an environment that would have nurtured his intellect rather than simply heightening his survival skills, emotional rigidity that may or may not have resulted from abuse, and a preference for self-indulgence over learning. Further, he wasn't able to escape the lifestyle that was crushing him; he simply adapted to it and let it warp him whereas someone smarter would have in time realized that there were other options. Drugs might also have played a part though I think the role of drugs in limiting intellect is often overstated.

As for his dignity and compassion and every other virtue, he gets a big fat zero...no, he gets a negative value.
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Good stuff ! Have you seen the writing here:
http://luka-magnotta.com/?page_id=37
 
girlinblue said:
Can anyone relay what is being said? I'm sure it's nothing that interesting, just curious though.
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Not much really. The one commenting first remarks about the size of the law and security group awaiting his arrival. He mentions that the person that you first see at the plane door is gesturing about handcuffs. Once LM is visible and coming down the stairs he remarks that he does not have leg shackles. He goes on to state that he is unablele to recall another prisoner having such security and mentions the fact that a few police have their arms (guns) drawn.

Let me go listen to the rest
 
Well, I just saw the video of LM walking off of the plane and into the tinted window SUV with police escorts and armed guards. Bleh! I HATE, HATE, HATE to think about how much LM was probably enjoying this attention. I am going to view it as LE doing a good job, and catering to his narcissistic ego so that he will be more willing to brag about what he has done. I really, really, really, want them to find JL's head. My heart just breaks for JL's family!!! The whole gay issue within the community he and his family comes from is difficult for them to deal with, and then you have the horrendous manner in which their son died!!! It is just too much to deal with, but as a parent to have all of that and to wonder where my son's head was.... AGHHH!!! Just horrible, just horrible.
 
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