I seem to remember in early news reports that it was said his friends checked his email accounts and whatnot for news of him. I wouldn't make too much of this.
Well, we know he was online (internet) on the 24th @8:55am now
I seem to remember in early news reports that it was said his friends checked his email accounts and whatnot for news of him. I wouldn't make too much of this.
Makes total sense but in a perfect world the person who posted it online would have had enough empathy not to post it or the grace to comply with her grieving relatives request to remove it. We need to fight for a world where empathy thrives, not the rights of those who possess none but want to satisfy their morbid curiosity.
What if that was me on that video is what people should be asking. If you wouldn't want to be internet fodder for the masses then you have to be the change you want to see in the world and not exploit the victim here who has no voice. Do unto others as you would have them do onto you. It's humanity 101 really IMO.
PAXIMUS, I'm not sure which country you're in, but Canada has very reasonable laws regarding the rights of individuals. Canada does not have anything similar to the US Patriot Act. Canadians have many rights, but it is not a right to make a film of the torture, murder, dismemberent of anyone and then publish it for an international audience. It is not censorship to ensure that this does not happen.
Well, we know he was online (internet) on the 24th @8:55am now
There's nothing important about that detail. We know Lin Jun was alive until at least 9pm on the 24th when he left a text message for a friend.
The entire argument is off the deep end IMO.
I don't believe every adult does have the right to watch/ read or listen to whatever they want.
I'm sure half the medical students in Canada would love to watch Mrs. Jones have her double lung transplant but unless Mrs. Jones agrees to allow them to have that learning opportunity at her expense, they're ***** out of luck. Students who have a legitimate reason for watching and participating in her care, who have been vetted by the professionals assigned to her care, do get to participate and observe and patients are advised of this.
Wanting access to something and having a right to it are two very different things. I personally believe the victims rights outweigh ours.
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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If you were asked by a friend to come over an watch a real snuff film tonight, would you?
There are some people who would never, ever in a million years deliberately go watch a snuff and dismemberment film, but because of many different influences and factors, not the least of which is because it was so readily available on the internet, hundreds of thousands of people watched that real life snuff and dismemberment video of Jun Lin.
That to me is an issue worth discussing because we all know those types of videos are out there. Not choosing to watch them, is not "sticking my head in the sand". I am hopeful that some poor soul who has to track these monsters down, catches them because of repurcussion of sites like these.
To blatantly display the video that is known to be a true, real life murder and dismemberment, crosses the boundaries, and to deliberately leave it on is a crime, IMO.
I don't see the evil in his pictures post arrest. I don't see anything. I think without someone to mimic and an idol to imitate, Luka will turn out to be quite the blob. Not really any real personality of his own to be seen.
It cracks me up that his lawyer says he is nice and polite and looks nothing like a psychopath. There's a video she should watch..
I wonder what she thinks a psychopath looks like. i hope that no one is fooled or charmed by the act.
Cops in Quebec town to search for ties between Magnotta and unsolved 2011 murder
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ca...notta-and-unsolved-2011-murder-157299545.html
I don't think there is a connection but who knows. The alleged suspect was fluent in french which I don't believe LRM is.
Here is the sketch of the suspect.
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You can pick and choose all sorts of individual reasons why this or that should not be allowed, my concern here is the BIG PICTURE and the smaller issue of a few people being offended by something is a lot less important than the larger issue of freedom of expression and a free uncensored internet. I respect everyone's opinion but what I do have a hard time respecting is those who do not consider the LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES OF THE THINGS THEY ADVOCATE FOR AND SUPPORT. The IMMEDIATE gratification that may result in censoring something like this from the internet is not worth sacrificing the larger issue of a free and uncensored world wide web in my opinion. I realize that not everyone cares about the big picture and they are more concerned with the here and now but I just cant bring myself to support things in the here and now that will likely have devastating effects on the type of world my grandchildren will grow up in? Does that mean I want my grandchildren to grow up in a world where videos like this are OK, no, it does not, but I certainly DO NOT want them, even more so, to grow up in a world where a SELECT FEW get to decide everything for everyone else, and that is the world we are headed to full steam ahead and I will personally do everything I can to prevent that world or slow down the train that is headed for it.
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That is the problem with allowing it to be a on a website that is freely accessed - children certainly may be subjected to it. Not every child's internet use is monitored. Many folks here found it easily, so I have to believe that a child could, too. And IMO, that is wrong. All just MOO
That is taking one issue and confusing it with another. The issue you present is one of bad parenting and not an issue that has anything to do with censoring the internet. If parents cant prevent their children from seeing things they should not see no amount of internet censorship or any kind of censorship for that matter is going to fix that. Kids were seeing things they should not see long before there was an internet and they will continue to see things long after. That is an issue for parents to address and to suggest that we should punish everyone else for their laziness and inability to properly supervise their children is terribly short-sighted and small-minded. And I am not calling YOU such, just the IDEA. I do not attack people but I will attack certain ideas.
I dont believe ALL Canadians support that, in fact there are many fine Canadians right here in this thread who have said otherwise. So the big picture is not that Canadians wont tolerate it but rather that certain Canadians, typically the ones who are intolerant of just about anything that they dont like or agree with including homosexuality, a woman's right to choose and other controversial issues, do not tolerate it. And that is really no surprise as they are usually the same people who are trying to tell everyone else how they should live, what they should like and what they should be allowed to do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Fortunately for them, there is the rest of us, who work tirelessly to fight for the right for people to believe whatever they want and to express those beliefs so that even if we dont agree with intolerance we fight for them to have the right to be intolerant anyway.The big picture is that Canadians will not tolerate the publication of videos made by someone that is torturing and murdering someone. In the past, videos of that nature have been destroyed and they will continue to be destroyed. There is no value in preserving or memorializing the sickness inside the minds of violent criminals.
"Danson successfully obtained a court order following the Bernardo and Homolka proceedings to have the videotapes depicting the sexual assault and torture of their victims destroyed."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/...hould-the-videos-and-photos-be-destroyed.html
"I know with the Frenches and Mahaffys the only way they could guarantee their daughters would never be violated again was to destroy the videotapes."
Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/W5Archive/20101022/williams-lawyer-101022/#ixzz1x2exd0Nc
"Burgess told a packed courtroom that all evidence collected in the arrest and conviction of former CFB Trenton base commander Russell Williams should be destroyed or forfeited, a request Justice Robert Scott also agreed to."
http://www.trentonian.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2810464
Allowing a child to use a computer is not bad parenting as it's an educational tool that they require. Allowing a child to use youtube is not bad parenting ... that's how they access lots of music.
The bottom line is that Canadians will not tolerate anything similar to the Patriot Act and they will not tolerate the publication of video of the torture and murder of innocent victims. It's not censorship, it's about protecting our rights. We have a right to use youtube and the internet and not fear that we will stumble onto horrific footage that re-victimes the victims and perpetuates the sickness of the criminal.
I dont believe ALL Canadians support that, in fact there are many fine Canadians right here in this thread who have said otherwise. So the big picture is not that Canadians wont tolerate it but rather that certain Canadians, typically the ones who are intolerant of just about anything that they dont like or agree with including homosexuality, a woman's right to choose and other controversial issues, do not tolerate it. And that is really no surprise as they are usually the same people who are trying to tell everyone else how they should live, what they should like and what they should be allowed to do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Fortunately for them, there is the rest of us, who work tirelessly to fight for the right for people to believe whatever they want and to express those beliefs so that even if we dont agree with intolerance we fight for them to have the right to be intolerant anyway.
Allowing a child to use a computer is not bad parenting as it's an educational tool that they require. Allowing a child to use youtube is not bad parenting ... that's how they access lots of music.
The bottom line is that Canadians will not tolerate anything similar to the Patriot Act and they will not tolerate the publication of video of the torture and murder of innocent victims. It's not censorship, it's about protecting our rights. We have a right to use youtube and the internet and not fear that we will stumble onto horrific footage that re-victimes the victims and perpetuates the sickness of the criminal.