Art Harris Exclusives - Merged threads

[GRANNYL]

Let me start off saying I have no idea where to find a link backing up what I'm about to say. I will try to find one!

I have been thinking about something I heard ToC lawyer Warner say when he first started talking about ToC taking a poly and he was trying to find the right examiner. He said something to the effect we need to clear up the timeline ToC went to the trailer that night. He sort of said that in passing. At the time I thought does that mean it was before or after 10 PM? Certainly sounded like he was saying it was not 10 PM.

I can't remember if I saw him on the news or one of the TV shows but I know I heard him say that because I commented to my husband about what he said. I'll find it as soon as I can.

I am quoting myself so I can put my post together.

Nancy Grace Show transcript March 26, 2010 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html


GRACE: Joining me right now exclusively, a very special guest, James Werter. He is the attorney for Tommy Croslin. And he says he will schedule an independent polygraph. James Werter, thank you for being with us.

JAMES WERTER, ATTORNEY FOR TOMMY CROSLIN: Thank you, Nancy. Good evening.

GRACE: Mr. Werter, Tommy Croslin insists he came to the home the evening Haleigh goes missing. He places himself at the home where the child disappeared. But he says he bammed on the door repeatedly, nobody ever came, and he left.

WERTER: Nancy, you have to understand when that statement was given, he had been arrested for that grand theft charge and he was in for a week waiting bond, and he was interviewed every day until he finally gave that statement. That`s why we want a polygraph to clear the air on the timeline.
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GRACE: Now I`m going to try to go back to James Werter if Peter Odom -- is that OK with you? I take it that it is.

James Werter, attorney for Tommy Croslin. He`s planning to hook Tommy Croslin up to an independent poly.

What about a police poly?

JAMES WERTER, ATTORNEY FOR TOMMY CROSLIN, PLANS TO SCHEDULE INDEPENDENT POLYGRAPH FOR TOMMY CROSLIN: Well, I was looking. It was actually my suggestion. And we were looking for a more objective, non-biased person.

This is being organized by the private investigator Steve Brown. And he is an 11-year FBI veteran. I trust him completely. I will be present.

And we both sat with Tommy, and what we call down here have a come to Jesus talk with him, and we expressed that he is not going to beat a polygraph. It is a good investigative tool. But I agree that it is not a precise instrument.

 

[Muffet]

And then, ToC took the private polygraph on April 8, 2010. JW has never stated that ToC "passed."
-snip-

By all indications, in particular his lawyer's dumping him, I think he failed.

And since LE says they're sticking with the 10:00 time, it seems safe to say that Tommy tried to change it, but the poly showed that the 10:00 one was true.

I also think this is probably old news to LE and everyone else in the know, and was just thrown to Art as a bone.

However, what does become interesting to think about is why Ron's lawyer wants to dispute the 10:00 time (see elle's post) while LE wants to keep it.

 

[Baznme]

I don't know why PCSO and FDLE thought they could solve this case. They asked for little if any help from the FBI. I would like to know if the FBI profiled these three. I don't even know if they were questioned at all by the FBI. I doubt it.

I mistakenly thought the FDLE was on par with them....I was wrong.

I'm a little surprised that FDLE hasn't stepped in especially if they were searching in the river for remains of any kind. We have a missing person here in my area since 2007 and after over a year, there were bones found and FDLE stepped right in and took over. Sherrif's office didn't like it but they didn't have anything to say about it was the word here. Turned out to be animal bones but seemed nice to know that if one agency can't seem to make any progress on a case, another agency had the right to step in. I hope that PCSO is not hoarding this case for themselves and not accepting help whenever or wherever they can.

 

[GRANNYL]

Good memory!

Aired March 26, 2010

GRACE: Mr. Werter, Tommy Croslin insists he came to the home the evening Haleigh goes missing. He places himself at the home where the child disappeared. But he says he bammed on the door repeatedly, nobody ever came, and he left.

WERTER: Nancy, you have to understand when that statement was given, he had been arrested for that grand theft charge and he was in for a week waiting bond, and he was interviewed every day until he finally gave that statement. That's why we want a polygraph to clear the air on the timeline.​

http://157.166.255.31/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/26/ng.01.html

Thank you! I was searching when you posted and posted my find before reading. I knew it was somewhere because I questioned it when he said what he did. Again thanks.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Do you guys know what this means? It has to mean that Ron knows something then. Why in the hell would Ron just sit back and let Tommy lie about him like that? Wasn't in Tommys statement that he said that Ron called him up and wanted him to check on Misty and the kids so he went over to the trailer? Hence the going over there at 10:00. Ron did NOTHING to say the statement was at false so in my honest opinion this could only mean that he know something. It is making me think more than ever that Haleigh ODed on the illegal drugs that they were selling and therefore they were all covering their drug addicted asses.

I agree and I also think it wasn't that phone call that is important, it is the one that Tommy made back to Ron.

 

[passionflower]

Looks like AH got his bombshell out before NG did!!!

 

[GRANNYL]

Looks like AH got his bombshell out before NG did!!!

Not really! NG got it first on March 26 from Tommy's lawyer!

WERTER: Nancy, you have to understand when that statement was given, he had been arrested for that grand theft charge and he was in for a week waiting bond, and he was interviewed every day until he finally gave that statement. That`s why we want a polygraph to clear the air on the timeline.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

From showing her bones at the river, as we reported, that turned out to be animal bones, to needlingTommy Croslin about his big ears, sources tell me investigators aim to keep the pressure where it needs to be.


I swear I have never heard of that investigative technique before.:crazy:

 

[Baznme]

I agree and I also think it wasn't that phone call that is important, it is the one that Tommy made back to Ron.

Might indicate that Tommy and Ron were a little tighter than they wanted anyone to think.............even if bound by common involvement in whatever happened to Haleigh.

Could it be..........that was why RC got so upset the night the family went to "rescue" Misty and RC assaulted Tommy? They were getting Misty away from him and he was going to be isolated with his part of the "truth" by himself? Did RC convince Misty to stay because they would all go down if either Misty or Tommy uttered a word? Just askin............

 

[TxLady2]

Problem is... if Tommy or Misty decides to ever tell the TRUTH... how are they gonna know if it's true or just another lie?
Considering that, plus the whole cast of characters who have paraded past us over the past 15 months... can we really blame LE for not being able to sort it all out?
Have a little faith... remember who and what they're working with.

 

[faefrost]

Quoted From AH's article:

"On The Nancy Grace Show Tuesday night, Werter said his client could identify the killer, but stopped short of revealing more."


The problem is, I watched, and NG said that Werter's client could ID the killer - then Werter got an and categorically and very specifically DENIED that he said that and would say only that his client knew what happened that night.

So, somebody pinch me and tell me I've been dreaming, or that I'm wrong about what Werter said on NG about ID-ing the killer and AH is right. Or maybe I missed another show where Werter changed his mind completely?

ETA: Okay, nevermind. Don't pinch me. Here's the NG Transcripts from Tues, April 27 2010:

GRACE: Mr. Werter -- with us, everyone, Jim Werter, a well-respected attorney out of the Jacksonville, Florida area.

Mr. Werter, is it true that you have stated that your client can ID the killer, the person that took Haleigh?

WERTER: OK. That`s incorrect. What I stated was that he`s, first of all, not culpable but he does know what happened that night. I had been repeatedly saying that I cannot discuss the facts of the case because it`s an ongoing investigation and I`d like to see it come to a successful conclusion.

You being former in a way law enforcement by being a prosecutor, me being former law enforcement and a prosecutor, I`d like to see a successful end to this. And I think Tommy will come out very well with this.

GRACE: OK. Wait. Now you`re saying that your client knows what happened that night?

WERTER: Yes.

GRACE: What happened?

WERTER: I told you. I just told you. I cannot discuss the facts of the case because of the ongoing investigation. When I am dying for an arrest to be made in this case and I could be more forthcoming. But right now I have a good working relationship with law enforcement. I`m going to keep it that way.

I took it to be the start of the "Tommy was only called in to help get rid of the body, and doesn't know for absolute certainty how and why she died" defense. he knows what happened simply because Misty told him what happened, but that is not the same in lawyer speak as being an actual witness or party to the act and knowing absolutely who killed Hayleigh.

 

[Baznme]

Problem is... if Tommy or Misty decides to ever tell the TRUTH... how are they gonna know if it's true or just another lie?
Considering that, plus the whole cast of characters who have paraded past us over the past 15 months... can we really blame LE for not being able to sort it all out?
Have a little faith... remember who and what they're working with.

I say just start slapping charges on all of them and let's see who squeals the loudest trying to get away from the needle.

 

[kimmera]

ok, let me get this straight, according to the latest news:

- TC and JO went to the MH and took Haleigh
- The assumption being that one of the two actually murdered her
- They threw her body into the river
- Tommy later took Misty on a field trip to show her where body was

I think there is something missing here.
Has the "rat in a mailbox" thing been verified?
Did a "reliable" source see RC place it there?

Tommy wouldn't rat on himself, so someone was afraid he was about to come clean and admit that he was there, but did not kill her. JO was in Tennessee so couldn't have put the rat in the box.

Did TC and JO dispose of the body, but Haleigh was already dead when they arrived?

Would Tommy take Misty to the dock, if he was responsible for her murder?

Why hasn't JO admitted his part in the crime?

BBM

Hi all, first post here, but this is what I think happened also. I think that RC probably told ToC to go over there and check on the sitch since he couldn't get in touch with MC. I personally have my doubts about JO's involvement...I think that perhaps he was coerced into helping dispose of the body, maybe even threatened that they would implicate him in in the actual killing if he didn't help them. And as it turned out, they did that anyway.

If this is the case, then it would jive with what Werter has said...that ToC knows what happened that night, but cannot positively ID the killer because he really WASN'T there when it happened. Anyway, JMHO.

 

[TxLady2]

"As in all lies, there is always some truth. "

Not trying to get down on any one poster, because I have seen this phrase used countless times on countless threads.

And it is just NOT TRUE! Sometimes lies are just totally made up, folks. To think that in EVERY lie there is SOME truth is far too often repeated and far too often not true, IMO.

You're right. Sometimes a lie is just a lie... every syllable. And I've known people who would lie when the truth would serve them better. If they told me that the sun was shining, I would grab my umbrella before I headed out the door.

 

[TxLady2]

I say just start slapping charges on all of them and let's see who squeals the loudest trying to get away from the needle.

But it's not up to PCSO to charge them for the murder, it's up to the prosecutors. And they need to be positive that these charges will stick. This all needs to be done according to law. They only get one chance to do it right.

 

[Baznme]

But it's not up to PCSO to charge them for the murder, it's up to the prosecutors. And they need to be positive that these charges will stick. This all needs to be done according to law. They only get one chance to do it right.

I know TxLady. I'm just so frustrated with all this hoopla over the last 14 months, it's ridiculous. These people don't even deserve the 3 meals and a cot as far as I'm concerned. I wish we could find Haleigh above all even if this crew sits in jail for the drug charges alone. Thanks for shaking me back to reality.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Give Tommy the maximum on the charges he is facing and give Ron and Misty the minimum on each charge they are facing and they probably will never see daylight again.

 

[kikid]

Give Tommy the maximum on the charges he is facing and give Ron and Misty the minimum on each charge they are facing and they probably will never see daylight again.

they'll probably all do more time on these drug charges then they would ever have seen from a negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter conviction. Which begs the question, why keep up the lies? If they could get the drug charges dropped for telling the truth about what happened to Haleigh and it was an accidental OD, then why continue the games and lies? Who would they be protecting?? Not themselves nor each other at this point.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I wonder when Steve Brown said this?


Yet, even though he’s now saying he lied about his visit at 10 p.m, “doesn’t mean he wasn’t at the trailer,” says Steve Brown, Werter’s investigator who adds Tommy admitted knowing where he claims his cousin dumped Haleigh. He hasn’t denied he wasn’t there at all.

 

[Gracenote]

BBM

Hi all, first post here, but this is what I think happened also. I think that RC probably told ToC to go over there and check on the sitch since he couldn't get in touch with MC. I personally have my doubts about JO's involvement...I think that perhaps he was coerced into helping dispose of the body, maybe even threatened that they would implicate him in in the actual killing if he didn't help them. And as it turned out, they did that anyway.

If this is the case, then it would jive with what Werter has said...that ToC knows what happened that night, but cannot positively ID the killer because he really WASN'T there when it happened. Anyway, JMHO.

Welcome,new WS friend.Good first post.:dance: