ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[neesaki]

I find it interesting that GG walked all the way down around towards the back of the dive shop to where he parked his car to fill that cup he had in his hand when they were obviously getting ready to leave. It's a hot walk in that sun and they were planning on leaving within a couple of minutes after his return. Not sure how fast those sleeping pills work but if he dropped one in her drink at 4pm how long would it have taken to work?

Another thing I found interesting. Most restaurants, let alone those with a bar available, do not let you bring your own drinks to the table. He was able to do that and I'm sure that made them "quite" memorable. I mean who does that? So cheap you won't buy a drink but you think nothing of renting a RAV4 which is almost $400 a week. An SUV is not needed unless you plan on driving along the cliff areas of the eastern most coastline because in the high rise area all the roads are paved. I had a small KIA and did just fine. Even drove through the National Park which is mostly paved but some of the areas still have dirt roads. jmo

Ambien works very, very fast. That's why they instruct you to go to bed immediately, better yet, have it ready to take when you get into bed.

And it is troubling to me that he would bother to return to the car to refill their cup with oj and vodka when they were preparing to leave the restaurant. He obviously couldn't wait till they got back to the car for another drink, but then Robyn would have been there and he couldn't have slipped anything into it without her seeing him, hmmm. :shakehead:

Here is the article that gives the timeline: S&BBM

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20527405,00.html

"At 3:57 p.m., Giordano returns to their rental car outside and refills his blue cup, going back inside at 4 p.m. Seven minutes later, Gardner heads to the bathroom again. One witness has said that at this point she seems sober but groggy.

They leave together at 4:13 pm., appearing to be talking normally, with Giordano again walking ahead of Gardner but stopping and waiting for her to catch up at one point."

She seemed sober but groggy, this sounds like the Ambien, or perhaps another drug such as Rohypnol, a common street / date rape drug, taking effect. That 5 minutes after Robyn went to the bathroom was just enough time for GG to get the ticket and pay the bill, then they were out of there. Jmo.

 

[Dushi]

It has been stated by the server/staff that Robyn hardly touched her food/salad. Did she take it to go in a container? If she did take it with her was it in the car? At the hotel in the fridge? Anybody know?

AFAIK it has never been said what happened to the salad, if that is what they were carrying, her handbag or shoes

We do not know, (at least, I don't) what was found in the car

All JMO

 

[Dushi]

I know nothing about ambien except what I have read here and on google.

Do the effects of Ambien lessen with use?

 

[Dushi]

My Bolding: I agree, very questionable, for sure Big Red Flags. :twocents:

They carried the same cups at Moombas party
The man was cheap and IMO, had no money, certainly wasn't out to impress his date.

It is not uncommon for people to bring their own drinks to the beach etc while in Aruba. If you are not all inclusive, it can be very costly to drink there.

I have no idea what his reasons were for carrying his own stash. Probably couldn't afford to buy it. May have had more sinister motives, IDK
As far as bringing drinks into a restaurant, we have left our hotel with wine in a plastic cup and have taken it into a restaurant, a casual restaurant with us

I have never seen anyone leave a place after being seated to refill a drink.
I imagine it would be frowned upon

 

[Dushi]

On another note: the claim must be filed within 365 days of the (accident, death, disappearance ) of the insured . So I wonder if it is a sign that GG has nothing to hide and has every intent of collecting on his complete innocence of any involvement in her demise. Wouldn't' you think this would open up "all the questions and review of the circumstances" surrounding Robyn's disappearance?

Now I know GG is crazy as a loon, but this may be his way of saying "bring it on" I had nothing to do with her demise.

Just another thought on the matter....God, please don't think I am defending him, only his right to pursue this suit and all the ramifications it brings with it.:moo:

....and it so good to see many of my favorite websleuths still here.:thumb:

RU!!! So good to read you

This whole insurance lawsuit opens up so many questions
I would think, don't know for sure, that Amex would do a full investigation before paying out that amount of money
An investigation that would be done by their own people, who would be focused only on this.

GG is either arrogant beyond measure
Stupid beyond belief
Or innocent of all charges

JMO

 

[Niner]

I am with you Niner--thinking there may be some news in this case. Sadly I truly believe unless Robyn is found this case will grow cold. Can not help but be really angry that we have lost 2 young women connected to Aruba, and we may never know what happened....until the next young women disappears and we begin this conversation all over again . Maybe human trafficking is more than just speculation in these cases.

May the powers that be always be on the look-out for answers and refuse to accept this as a "cold case file". I will continue to check in for new information and hope.

Thought I'd check in here also...

WOW! :what: indecent exposure uke: - why am I NOT surprised!!

Daniel Putkowski has written a novel base on the RG / GG story

Dark Currents [Paperback]
Daniel Putkowski (Author)

Darn... my library doesn't have the book... yet!

Two grown folks getting caught bumping uglies in the back of a car....

I guess at least it wasn't his dad's car.:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Gary - THIS is your sign buddy, this is your sign!!!!!!!!!!

I know - sounds like he's still a teenager!

Here I was looking for updates on this case - and I'm now 6 pages behind - have to go back and read the rest of this thread!!

 

[neesaki]

Daniel Putkowski has written a novel base on the RG / GG story

Dark Currents [Paperback]
Daniel Putkowski (Author)

It just dawned on me that Putkowski's new book, Dark Currents, is a novel based on actual events. When IslandSurfer mentioned a while back about an author writing a new book about this case, I was thinking it would be a true crime book. Anyway, seems to be getting good reviews, I just ordered it. Interesting bio too, apparently has a good following. Also a Trailer for the book.

I have to think that it probably really burned GG's you know what when he found out about Putowski's book, hehehe :smile:. Maybe why he decided to write his own, to take away some of the sting I guess. About like KC writing her own book.
Hard to see any decent publisher publishing anything by GG, but we'll see. I so really, really hope they all just laugh in his face.

Amazon.com: Daniel Putkowski

http://www.danielputkowski.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11ASe-n4WQ&feature=youtu.be

 

[Niner]

All quotes respectfully snipped... sorry for quoting so many posts, but wanted to do it all at once! eace:

Well it took about seven years for Natalee to be declared deceased and it took many years for Max De Vries and for his case to be officially closed. No question the insurance company will have their own investigation and this is wishful thinking on Giordanos part that this claim will be paid out anytime soon,especially after 10 months and under very suspicious circumstances. Pretty cocky,arrogant and obviously desperate on their part to launch this lawsuit so soon. IMO..Not only that but I do believe the Aruban Authorities would love to throw a monkey wrench in his plans and would do enough in cooperation with that insurance company.

Some people close to this case are absolutely disputing that she is deceased and I disagree totally with you. What the MSM,NE and Aruban authorities put out is a absolute joke and there is absolutely no evidence she drowned or was murdered. While Human Trafficking seems to be stretch for some I think it's a very real possibility Robyn was in on this scam with a couple of Giordano's wealthy swinger friends that have connections both in Venezuela,Colombia and elsewhere. Quite a few factors lead me to believe this especially Robyn's own behavior and her relationships with those close to her

You have some good "inside" information, and thank you for posting what you can, Blueskies! When the trafficking "idea" came up early in this case - I thought - well, THAT is a possibility! One which I would never have thought of! :fence:

That's a difficult thing for me to do right now because they all read here. I really wish I could lay it all out and let you form your own opinion about EVERYTHING and EVERYONE. I will forever believe GG had help and I have good reason to believe this and it's a major factor in why I have formed this opinion.

Darn!! :maddening: wish you could say more! But you do make some good points on 'why' Robyn would go along with this scheme! Especially this:

What exactly did she have in Maryland besides a controlling abusive boyfriend,no money,no job and no family?
...
Obviously that wasn't going to happen in her modeling career as she had no chance of having a career like her roommate who she appeared to try and emulate. Those photo's of her with the boob job,tats,hair extensions etc etc..Showed to me she was desperate!

I think my thoughts have run the same course as yours
In every scenario, there are questions that can't be answered
I also agree that GG is totally involved in whatever happened
But, like you , I still don't rule out involvement completely...

I, too, believe that whatever happened, GG IS involved!!

Apparently GG is saying the payout is 3.5 million so that would be a great deal more then we initially thought. I don't think the scam included many others and Robyns cut could be around a million making it well worth her troubles. Just GG,Robyn and maybe 2 others. One of them investing in the scam to keep her hidden until they get paid and the other who had the contacts in Colombia and VE. This is not as far fetched as some may think as there is a man is from Robyns little town who is in the business of selling women/foreign brides/escorts etc etc and has locations in Colombia and Venezuela. I'M not going to get into details but his actions as well as another are EXTREMELY suspicious and there are just way too many coincidences regarding these two men and GG.

:what: wow - first I heard about this. Thank you again, Blueskies for posting some of this stuff that you know! :rocker:

I have to say that for myself there are various reasons that I "thank" posters. For the most part it is because I agree with at least a part of, if not all, of their post. There are also those times that I thank them for taking the time to respond to my post. And especially for bringing in new thoughts, insights and ideas on issues that are interesting and relevant to the forum, which encourages me to look at a case from more than one point of view. I very much appreciate posts that make me think, and rethink, then rethink again.

And just because I don't post a "thanks" doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the post. I almost always do, as it's all our posts that make these forums what they are, whether in agreement or not. Challenging, interesting, fascinating, mentally stimulating....

Yes, I too, "thank" posters for the exact same reasons in your first paragraph there! Insights and new ideas on the cases we read about - always makes for a good discussion and trying to solve some of these cases where people just disappear into thin air! :maddening:

re bold in second paragraph - that's why I LOVE :loveyou: to come here to WS and read all of the opinions - and am always amazed - for the good, of course - that people come up with some really good ideas and opinions!!

Glad to 'see' that there at least SOME movement on this case - and we can probably all thank GG for bringing this suit against AMEX to get things rolling!

:seeya:

 

[IslandSurfer]

Neeski and everyone...

Bon dia... from Aruba... I was in USA for job training. Back in Aruba just now and I go to Charlie's Bar. There I see the writer you mention and he talks to me about his book. Cool guy but says he will not give me a book. No books of this one on Aruba he says.

So I ask about him talking to the polis and he says they have nothing to do with Robyn now. Sad, sad for us and the writer also sad for Robyn because he tell us he looking all places around Aruba like caves, old houses, places no one go but he not find nothing. Also in the water, but long time pass and real life mean nothing to find. I ask more about this book and he says it not the same story of Robyn but different but start out like the way Garry Gordano and Robyn go in the water. Maybe that the same? I want to find out. The riter come back many times to Charlie Bar and I see him again soon in some days. He also out looking around places near where I surft with my kite and maybe I talk more to him then. He serious guy, no bull, no trash talk like other people come to Aruba. He live here in local place not tourist place.

Okay, I ask more questions but I think no answers. Sad.

Bon dia.

Island Surfer

Maybe I ask my girlfriend to message here because she can tipe correct. Sorry.

 

[LambChop]

Neeski and everyone...

Bon dia... from Aruba... I was in USA for job training. Back in Aruba just now and I go to Charlie's Bar. There I see the writer you mention and he talks to me about his book. Cool guy but says he will not give me a book. No books of this one on Aruba he says.

So I ask about him talking to the polis and he says they have nothing to do with Robyn now. Sad, sad for us and the writer also sad for Robyn because he tell us he looking all places around Aruba like caves, old houses, places no one go but he not find nothing. Also in the water, but long time pass and real life mean nothing to find. I ask more about this book and he says it not the same story of Robyn but different but start out like the way Garry Gordano and Robyn go in the water. Maybe that the same? I want to find out. The riter come back many times to Charlie Bar and I see him again soon in some days. He also out looking around places near where I surft with my kite and maybe I talk more to him then. He serious guy, no bull, no trash talk like other people come to Aruba. He live here in local place not tourist place.

Okay, I ask more questions but I think no answers. Sad.

Bon dia.

Island Surfer

Maybe I ask my girlfriend to message here because she can tipe correct. Sorry.

Thank you for the information, IslandSurfer. You are doing just fine with your reports. I just came back from Aruba after spending 3 weeks there. I enjoyed the time and, again, as I have said in the past I felt perfectly safe. I was also told they are installing more and more security cameras in Aruba which will make people feel a little safer.

A group of us spent the day at Baby Beach. Some of my friends snorkeled out in the canal near the breakwater and took pictures of some fish and squid. Again, looking at the area where GG said they went out to snorkel makes no sense when this beautiful area for snorkeling would have been visible to RG and available for them to use. I do not see RG, if she were in her right mind, deciding to pick the extremely rocky area compared to the sandy beach which was right there on the other side of the jetty to get into the water.

My friends mentioned that when you get close to the break in the jetty you can feel the strong currents coming in and going out so they stayed away from that area.

Interesting we also went to a local place to eat one day near San Nicholas which was out on the water and the currents appeared to be pretty strong. A plastic chair had fallen off the deck and went unnoticed by the owners and we watched it for over an hour just bobbing around in the water as it was pulled out a little way. At some point within 1/2 hour it gradually started to come back into shore. I believe this is why LE believed RG's body should have washed back ashore had she been out there.

LE in Aruba have done all they can. Unless something washes ashore they have done everything they could to find her so it's no longer a major concern for them. GG remains a US problem. He can't seem to stay out of trouble. Filing a lawsuit for the insurance prior to the end of the insurance company's mandatory waiting period shows GG is eager to get to that money. I think he has opened up a can of worms. And for $3.5 million it is certainly worth sending an insurance investigator down to Aruba to investigate her death. jmo

 

[Tugela]

A current will not pull it on to shore, only the wind and wave action (which is caused indirectly by wind) can do that. A rip current will move the chair around in the water and potentially get it into the coastal current, and when that happens the chair would on its way to central america.

It is similar to the tsunami in Japan. A lot of that debris eventually got blown back on to shore, but much of it got taken out far enough to get caught in oceanic currents and is currently being blown ashore all along the western coast of north america.

 

[neesaki]

Neeski and everyone...

Bon dia... from Aruba... I was in USA for job training. Back in Aruba just now and I go to Charlie's Bar. There I see the writer you mention and he talks to me about his book. Cool guy but says he will not give me a book. No books of this one on Aruba he says.

So I ask about him talking to the polis and he says they have nothing to do with Robyn now. Sad, sad for us and the writer also sad for Robyn because he tell us he looking all places around Aruba like caves, old houses, places no one go but he not find nothing. Also in the water, but long time pass and real life mean nothing to find. I ask more about this book and he says it not the same story of Robyn but different but start out like the way Garry Gordano and Robyn go in the water. Maybe that the same? I want to find out. The riter come back many times to Charlie Bar and I see him again soon in some days. He also out looking around places near where I surft with my kite and maybe I talk more to him then. He serious guy, no bull, no trash talk like other people come to Aruba. He live here in local place not tourist place.

Okay, I ask more questions but I think no answers. Sad.

Bon dia.

Island Surfer

Maybe I ask my girlfriend to message here because she can tipe correct. Sorry.

So good to hear from you again IslandSurfer. Very interesting that you have met and talked with the author, Mr. Putkowski. He sounds like a good man, especially if he has actually been out searching for Robyn. I have to say I'm impressed.

I'm disappointed to hear that the Aruban police are no longer interested in Robyn's disappearance, but can't same I'm too surprised either. The only information I was able to garner from the new prosecutor, Peter Blanken was basically no information, that is "The investigation is still going on. There is a close cooperation between local police and FBI, but there is nothing special to tell." Not very reassuring really. This was back in May.

By the way, your messaging and typing is just fine, we are just happy that you are staying in touch as an Aruban local who cares about Robyn's case. :seeya:

 

[neesaki]

A current will not pull it on to shore, only the wind and wave action (which is caused indirectly by wind) can do that. A rip current will move the chair around in the water and potentially get it into the coastal current, and when that happens the chair would on its way to central america.

It is similar to the tsunami in Japan. A lot of that debris eventually got blown back on to shore, but much of it got taken out far enough to get caught in oceanic currents and is currently being blown ashore all along the western coast of north america.

I guess that explains why Aruba LE came to the conclusion that they did: that according to the conditions on that day and time, there were no rip currents to pull her out to sea, leaving the wave action that would have pulled her toward the shore.

 

[Sapphire]

Thank you for the information, IslandSurfer. You are doing just fine with your reports. I just came back from Aruba after spending 3 weeks there. I enjoyed the time and, again, as I have said in the past I felt perfectly safe. I was also told they are installing more and more security cameras in Aruba which will make people feel a little safer.

A group of us spent the day at Baby Beach. Some of my friends snorkeled out in the canal near the breakwater and took pictures of some fish and squid. Again, looking at the area where GG said they went out to snorkel makes no sense when this beautiful area for snorkeling would have been visible to RG and available for them to use. I do not see RG, if she were in her right mind, deciding to pick the extremely rocky area compared to the sandy beach which was right there on the other side of the jetty to get into the water.

My friends mentioned that when you get close to the break in the jetty you can feel the strong currents coming in and going out so they stayed away from that area.

Interesting we also went to a local place to eat one day near San Nicholas which was out on the water and the currents appeared to be pretty strong. A plastic chair had fallen off the deck and went unnoticed by the owners and we watched it for over an hour just bobbing around in the water as it was pulled out a little way. At some point within 1/2 hour it gradually started to come back into shore. I believe this is why LE believed RG's body should have washed back ashore had she been out there.

LE in Aruba have done all they can. Unless something washes ashore they have done everything they could to find her so it's no longer a major concern for them. GG remains a US problem. He can't seem to stay out of trouble. Filing a lawsuit for the insurance prior to the end of the insurance company's mandatory waiting period shows GG is eager to get to that money. I think he has opened up a can of worms. And for $3.5 million it is certainly worth sending an insurance investigator down to Aruba to investigate her death. jmo

Thank you for your report. In regards to the bold part of your post, your observation is similar to what the authorities, S&R, and the locals believe; Robyn's body should have floated back to shore or surfaced if she indeed drowned in that location.

 

[Sapphire]

I guess that explains why Aruba LE came to the conclusion that they did: that according to the conditions on that day and time, there were no rip currents to pull her out to sea, leaving the wave action that would have pulled her toward the shore.

Yes, this is correct. The water conditions were not as Giordano described them.


<snip>

He's being held in an Aruban prison pending the investigation, with Stein saying authorities have found discrepancies in Giordano's story.

"His statements to police were that the water was rough, that there were waves, wind and a strong current, as he said," Stein said.

"That didn't work out with what police saw at the moment they came to the beach that evening.

"The sea was calm, there was no wind and we found out later that there was no current. That story didn't hold."



http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/taco-stein

 

[LambChop]

A current will not pull it on to shore, only the wind and wave action (which is caused indirectly by wind) can do that. A rip current will move the chair around in the water and potentially get it into the coastal current, and when that happens the chair would on its way to central america.

It is similar to the tsunami in Japan. A lot of that debris eventually got blown back on to shore, but much of it got taken out far enough to get caught in oceanic currents and is currently being blown ashore all along the western coast of north america.

The chair, when we left was back pretty much close to the beach area where they could go out to get it. My guess is that is why the locals were not concerned because they knew it would come back in.

It appears the general belief is RG did not go into the water in that area because her body would have either surfaced or washed back into shore. Since the spot GG claims she went into the water faces Venezuela, because it is the southern most tip of Aruba and that shoreline is only approximately 15 miles away from South America, the currents would not be the same as you would find if it were facing the open ocean which is on the eastern most side. You can see the difference in the two locations. Huge waves crashing up and over the cliff areas. At the Baby Beach location the waves are very gentle and calm. Most of the time along the western portion of the island where the hotels are the ocean is calm and the currents along the beach area are not strong. If there is a storm out at sea it could get a little choppy but for the most part it is very calm.

While I was down there it was very windy, as in blowing sand in your face wind. The water was fine. There was only one day when we felt the ocean was choppy and it was fine by noon.

When the locals say they believe her body should have come in or surfaced within that general area because of conditions I tend to believe them because they seem to know. They will tell you not to swim in certain areas on the eastern portion of the island because they know the currents are too strong that day. This island depends a lot on their fishing industry so it would not be a stretch to think they know what they are talking about when so many of the men are out their fishing, if not for a living then certainly for their dinner.

I do believe GG drove the car away from Baby Beach and took that coastal road where the red anchor is and kept going until he found a spot to get RG into the water. In this area the currents would bring her out to sea. That is just my opinion but I believe LE is correct in their opinion that RG did not go into the water at Baby Beach. jmo

 

[neesaki]

BBM:

A current will not pull it on to shore, only the wind and wave action (which is caused indirectly by wind) can do that. A rip current will move the chair around in the water and potentially get it into the coastal current, and when that happens the chair would on its way to central america.

It is similar to the tsunami in Japan. A lot of that debris eventually got blown back on to shore, but much of it got taken out far enough to get caught in oceanic currents and is currently being blown ashore all along the western coast of north america.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that the area that GG claims they went into the water, that is immediately adjacent to the Baby Beach area, is on the Southwest end of the island. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong. Regardless, I haven't found really any information on the history of the currents in the Aruban area at all.

And if you are an expert with the U.S. Coast Guard or the equivalent, please forgive me for questioning your expertise. Otherwise, and as for myself and the benefit of other posters here, this is just a little something for reference.

Regarding this Southwest area, adjacent to Baby Beach, if this is indeed the area that GG claims they went in snorkeling?

All bolding by me. SBM from Wikepedia.org:

"Aruba is widely known for its white sandy beaches on the western and southern coasts of the island, relatively sheltered from fierce ocean currents, and this is where most tourist development has taken place.

And this is the area of the island that is considered to have hazardous currents, also where GG & Robyn would not have gone in the water, or at least for her, not voluntarily ?

The northern and eastern coasts, lacking this protection, are considerably more battered by the sea and have been left largely untouched by humans".

Aruba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[neesaki]

How are you so certain Robyn was not intoxicated? She might have not appeared intoxicated on the short clip of the video, however, staff at the restaurant described her as "woozy." Giordano's admittance of her taking an Ambien that afternoon, followed by drinking alcohol could impair judgment and is all the more reason to not go snorkeling. That is suspicious in itself. IMO, the words of a witness hold more weight than opinion based on a short video clip.

Death as a result of suspicious circumstances is a valid reason for an insurance company to contest a life insurance claim.





If it is determined Robyn was intoxicated (based on witness accounts,) could Giordano be charged with kidnapping under the law?



TJ Ward
NANCY GRACE

Aruban authorities continue to work to drain a pond they think may have clues to Natalee Holloway`s disappearance
Aired July 27, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

<snip>


WARD: ... And I am very surprised that law enforcement, at this point in time, has not charged Van Der Sloot with at least kidnapping under Aruban law because...

GRACE: Why do you say that?

WARD: Because the Aruban law says if you leave the bar intoxicated with somebody, and that other party becomes up missing, then you can be charged with kidnapping.

<snip>
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/27/ng.01.html

This kidnapping angle is something I have questioned before.
-GG was the last person seen with Robyn,
-GG admits he was the last person with Robyn and she has disappeared
-By all witness accounts they had been drinking, that Robyn was woozy, and GG stated Robyn had taken a sleeping pill
-LE states that the evidence does not point to them going snorkeling at Rocky Point where GG claims and they do not believe she drowned there
-There is no body or other evidence to prove Robyn is deceased

So why can kidnapping charges not be considered. Anything they can charge him with is better than nothing, imo.

 

[Tugela]

The chair, when we left was back pretty much close to the beach area where they could go out to get it. My guess is that is why the locals were not concerned because they knew it would come back in.

It appears the general belief is RG did not go into the water in that area because her body would have either surfaced or washed back into shore. Since the spot GG claims she went into the water faces Venezuela, because it is the southern most tip of Aruba and that shoreline is only approximately 15 miles away from South America, the currents would not be the same as you would find if it were facing the open ocean which is on the eastern most side. You can see the difference in the two locations. Huge waves crashing up and over the cliff areas. At the Baby Beach location the waves are very gentle and calm. Most of the time along the western portion of the island where the hotels are the ocean is calm and the currents along the beach area are not strong. If there is a storm out at sea it could get a little choppy but for the most part it is very calm.

While I was down there it was very windy, as in blowing sand in your face wind. The water was fine. There was only one day when we felt the ocean was choppy and it was fine by noon.

When the locals say they believe her body should have come in or surfaced within that general area because of conditions I tend to believe them because they seem to know. They will tell you not to swim in certain areas on the eastern portion of the island because they know the currents are too strong that day. This island depends a lot on their fishing industry so it would not be a stretch to think they know what they are talking about when so many of the men are out their fishing, if not for a living then certainly for their dinner.

I do believe GG drove the car away from Baby Beach and took that coastal road where the red anchor is and kept going until he found a spot to get RG into the water. In this area the currents would bring her out to sea. That is just my opinion but I believe LE is correct in their opinion that RG did not go into the water at Baby Beach. jmo

But the Carribean current runs just offshore to the south of Aruba. It would be closest to shore at roughly the spot where RG dissappeared, in fact you can see scouring from current eddies at that location in the aerial photographs.

The heavy surf on the northern shore has nothing to do with current, it is because that is the direction of the prevailing wind. Waves are created by wind blowing over open stretchs of water, if it blows over large areas, or if it blows strongly, waves will be created. Likewise, if the wind blows offshore, it will supress any waves coming in from wind elsewhere on the ocean. The southern side of the island is on the leeward side, so surf would be much smaller or non-existant on that side most of the time.

The main issue you need to worry about in that area (where they were swimming) is being caught in a rip tide and carried into one of the Carribean current eddies. If that happened you would be in very serious trouble and probably would not be able to make it back to land. The place where you would be at greatest risk of that happening is more or less precisely where RG vanished.

Even at Baby beach, going anywher near the mouth of that bay IMO would be extremely dangerous.

 

[LambChop]

But the Carribean current runs just offshore to the south of Aruba. It would be closest to shore at roughly the spot where RG dissappeared, in fact you can see scouring from current eddies at that location in the aerial photographs.

The heavy surf on the northern shore has nothing to do with current, it is because that is the direction of the prevailing wind. Waves are created by wind blowing over open stretchs of water, if it blows over large areas, or if it blows strongly, waves will be created. Likewise, if the wind blows offshore, it will supress any waves coming in from wind elsewhere on the ocean. The southern side of the island is on the leeward side, so surf would be much smaller or non-existant on that side most of the time.

The main issue you need to worry about in that area (where they were swimming) is being caught in a rip tide and carried into one of the Carribean current eddies. If that happened you would be in very serious trouble and probably would not be able to make it back to land. The place where you would be at greatest risk of that happening is more or less precisely where RG vanished.

Even at Baby beach, going anywher near the mouth of that bay IMO would be extremely dangerous.

Yes, my friends did say that the current felt strong there so they stayed away from it. According to GG, RG did not go into the water there but further down on the jetty and because the conditions were so calm that day LE felt she should have either surfaced or washed back to shore. This is what LE is claiming and I'm just saying they should know. They live there and no one knows better than those who live close and fish in the those waters. GG only had to travel a short distance away to end up along the coastal area where the cliffs are and those currents that run very, very strong there. Visitors have drowned in this area but even with those strong currents their bodies are still found. The fact that they have not found RG is very unusual so it is possible a riptide could have pulled her out into the open sea if she was put into the water in that area. LE was focusing on the Baby Beach area at the time and not that eastern coastline. With such intense focus on that area they should have been able to find her if she went into the water at that location. They did find the other woman in October who drowned very close to where RG supposedly went into the water. Arubans will tell you they recover almost all those they know have drowned. So not finding her body would send up a big red flag. Then there was the rest of his story which does not match up with the facts. Way too coincidential don't you think??? jmo