ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 5

[Dushi]

TS specifically said they are considering charging him with insurance fraud, among other charges. I already gave you a link for that. Why are you suggesting Aruba can't do that - do you have a link?

I said I don't know how Aruba could charge him

And... I have no link to my opinion

 

[HatesSociopaths]

All I meant was with the way their system works, just because his detention was extended doesn't necessarily mean it's because they have evidence to charge him, it could all be based on just more suspicion.

You could be right, to me the signatures look very different and it looks forged, but I'm no handwriting expert. I wish we could see some different examples of Robyn's signature to compare.

If it turns out that he didn't forge the signatures, what do you make of the policy he took out with the other woman, the one that said she would sign another one? Do you think there might be a possibility that could actually help him? His defense that he did it before and nothing happened therefore this doesn't prove murder?

That woman is not reliable as she is close to GG. She is not willing to state her name or show her face. Where is the proof? IF it is true, then why is RG not the actual signer on at least one of those forms? I realize some people want an expert to weigh in - understandable. After reading up on the subject, after hearing of his other fraud, and after closely examining the signatures, I am confident that an expert will say the same thing. MOO.

 

[Dushi]

Let me see if I can be very clear

IF Aruba does not file murder charges and GG leaves... who will file fraud charges if there is proof of that?

Will he go back to the US to faces charges for a crime that happened in the US?

 

[Dushi]

Gary Giordano is currently in a Aruba jail on suspicion that he had something to do with the disappearance of fellow-American Robyn Gardner. Giordano’s family has now hired Jose Baez, who represented Casey Anthony in her murder trial.

Baez is apparently in Aruba interviewing witnesses.


http://foxnewsinsider.com

 

[ledwards]

oh my gosh!

 

[neesaki]

I don't know that GG hiring an attorney who is believed by most to have helped a child murderer go free will necessarily help him. JMO

 

[RR0004]

Baez can't practice law in Aruba.

Seems to me, he hates being out of the spotlight. Is he offering his services pro bono?

ETA: so he was hired? How can that be?

 

[belimom]

I am just... :thud:

 

[RR0004]

In 2011 I would expect that situation to have improved. Have we heard that his phone was not working? RG appears to have had a working phone - she messaged RF at 3 pm - why not use hers? I also see the shape of a cell phone in his right pocket before heading into the restaurant with RG. Why bring a phone if it doesn't work?

If it was a Blackberry you can message others who have a Blackberry.
Aruba is as close to the equator as you can get, pretty much. I needed to rent a cell phone there.

 

[Salem]

WARNING: Do not turn this thread into a JB thread. This is about finding Robyn - not about the suspect's lawyer. Do NOT post a bunch of JB trashing posts - they will be removed and TOs will be issued. Just don't go there. You may comment, but keep it clean and don't confuse our purpose here.

Salem

 

[Micheline]

The beach is a significant distance from the restaurant. He would have driven to it. He apparently felt it was important to report her missing to someone in person, as he had a cell phone in his possessions. Assuming he knew it would take this much knocking on doors, etc. and was part of the plan however is a stretch.
The last photos of them are from a surveillance camera, not a blackberry. If you look at JADS FB you can see the cameras. I don't have the exact link.
http://facebook.com/jadsaruba
He was scouting the area the day before IMO. He also wanted to have more sex with her before killing her, so that is why the death occurred on Aug 2. MOO.
The case will get a murder conviction because of the fraud on her beneficiary form, the 1.5 million dollar premium policy taken out on her, his story inconsistencies, his past showing his character towards women, and the fact future Aruba tourism depends on getting tough on this type of crime. MOO.

-bolded by me.

HS I did not know this, are you sure he would have to take his car to go from the beach to the RumReef to look for someone? TIA

 

[HatesSociopaths]

-bolded by me.

HS I did not know this, are you sure he would have to take his car to go from the beach to the RumReef to look for someone? TIA

There is a video showing Martin Savidge driving from the restaurant to the point on the beach where he says they went snorkeling. It took some time to get there. I will see if I can find it. He would not have to take his car, it is just the logical choice as the car would have been right there to do so, and would get him there a little faster. But logic would also say he could have used one of their phones to call 911 (unless they were not working.)

 

[Micheline]

There is a video showing Martin Savidge driving from the restaurant to the point on the beach where he says they went snorkeling. It took some time to get there. I will see if I can find it. He would not have to take his car, it is just the logical choice as the car would have been right there to do so, and would get him there much faster.

OK Thanks in advance HS. I will try to look for the video too.

 

[neesaki]

There is a video showing Martin Savidge driving from the restaurant to the point on the beach where he says they went snorkeling. It took some time to get there. I will see if I can find it. He would not have to take his car, it is just the logical choice as the car would have been right there to do so, and would get him there a little faster. But logic would also say he could have used one of their phones to call 911 (unless they were not working.)

Also, it was reported earlier on, that they drove the car from the Rum Reef down to the beach, which if it were close enough, one would assume they would just walk.

 

[plaidmom]

I would just like to point out that IF (huge if) GG is telling the truth (collective gasp here LOL) and he swam to shore to seek help after RG was caught in a rip current, then he did indeed do the right thing.

The idea that an untrained companion can help a swimmer caught in a riptide is ludicrous.

It has nothing to do with chivalry.

If you are swimming (or snorkling or diving ....) with someone else who is caught in a rip current your very best bet is to swim to shore and get help!

Otherwise you will most likely end up as victim #2. And you know that SAR loves that!
;P

 

[sunsetbeach]

OMG!! I just heard the news about Baez. I am floored. Will this man ever go away??

 

[Money Girl]

Seems to me, he hates being out of the spotlight. Is he offering his services pro bono?

ETA: so he was hired? How can that be?

Hope JB gets paid for his services on this case.

 

[Tugela]

Considering the major differences in the 2 RG signatures, insurance fraud is evident. This is the major element which points to premeditated murder. TS IMO is considering it because they have evidence of fraud - he would have dropped the idea by now if there was not proof of fraud. The judge sees it too. They know what a monster this guy is. MOO.

If fraud was the only charge, that would be done in the US, not Aruba, since that is where the crime would have occurred. Someone would have to make a complaint (the insurance company) first, and I'm pretty sure they would do that in a US jursidiction.

An allegation of fraud by TS would be more along the lines of providing motive in more serious charges.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Baez has been hired to represent Gary Giordano, who is being held in Aruba in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner.

ABC News says that Baez confirmed that he will be joining Giordano’s defense team and was in Aruba on the case. TMZ reports that Baez will consult on forensic evidence in the case.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/09/jose-baez-he-has-been-hired-to-represent-suspect-in-aruba.html

 

[Magdalyn]

I would just like to point out that IF (huge if) GG is telling the truth (collective gasp here LOL) and he swam to shore to seek help after RG was caught in a rip current, then he did indeed do the right thing.

The idea that an untrained companion can help a swimmer caught in a riptide is ludicrous.

It has nothing to do with chivalry.

If you are swimming (or snorkling or diving ....) with someone else who is caught in a rip current your very best bet is to swim to shore and get help!

Otherwise you will most likely end up as victim #2. And you know that SAR loves that!
;P

If you were referring to my comment (re: his lack of concern about his date), I totally agree that what you've described is what you'd do if you were caught in a riptide.

I didn't suggest he should/could help her had they been caught in a riptide. My meaning was this: What I find unbelievable, is that he never looked back/over his shoulder one single time to visualize her progress/location. I would think that would be a natural human impulse to look at least once. Wouldn't it be more helpful if you could say, "I last saw her about XX yards from shore. As opposed to ... I don't know where she could have gone down or when. I never looked back one single time.