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missy1974 said:
http://imgur.com/u5G8oQZ

someone lightened the image of the "map" that was attached to the motion.

Is this where KZ is saying that individual B used a false name? It looks like Ryan Kilgos, not Hillegas.
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I got a feeling Ryan Kilgos may not have signed it on the sign in sheets. Maybe it is him?? Have you tried to see if there are any Ryan Kilgos' in the area?
 
RANCH said:
If I'm understanding your post you think that Teresa may have been abusing prescription drugs and she may not be dead because "those bones weren't conclusively found to be hers yet".
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I am saying that is one of the possibilities, yes, but not necessarily that that is my 100% belief. With the information that has been disclosed so far to the public in regards to this case, I am not comfortable speculating about the "murder" as such, because I have not seen evidence so far that there WAS a murder. I do not know what happened to TH because I have not seen any conclusive evidence so far that says to me what happened to her. It could have been an overdose, a car accident, an accidental death, or even that she is still alive somewhere. The only thing the "evidence" shows me in this case at this point in time, that I can 100% say with total certainty about everything is that "I don't know". To be totally honest, at this point in time I am more in the belief (like DA) that she is not dead (and decided, for whatever reason, to work with LE to bring SA down), but that may just be because it is easier to think that and that she is fine somewhere living her life. The only sticking point for me on that speculation is that it would be hard to keep that a secret once MaM came out in Dec. because of the massive amounts of worldwide exposure that this case has gotten, one would think that she would have been spotted. If not for that exposure, it is VERY possible that she could have disappeared back then and just living somewhere else as someone else. I remember watching an episode of disappeared one time where a girl went missing and was discovered 20 years later to be alive and well, and that she had "disappeared" of her own accord(let alone with the possible help of LE and officials), so yes that is a possibility. Anyway, my post that you were responding to just showed a possibility that I noticed, that it is POSSIBLE and not necessarily PLAUSIBLE, if that makes sense. That is why I don't like to speculate, LOL, I am sitting here patiently waiting for KZ to work her magic, because I admit that when it comes to THIS case, I know NOTHING. :)
 
I actually meant that the call could possibly been in reference to both, actually. An overdose doesn't always even have to pertain to hardcore drug ABUSE, per se. It is possible that someone can take something, say for instance a nerve pill or pain pill that a friend gave to them on a spur of the moment kind of thing. And if they aren't used to taking that it may have an adverse affect on them. There could possibly be some kind of lethal drug interaction that neither expected, whether that be from prescribed medicine that person was taking or even OTC drugs can sometimes have a deadly effect if taken in combination with something else. I did not mean any disrespect to TH or her lifestyle, just that as I was once a single young 25 yo woman once too, and know that sometimes one can get into situations that we are not prepared for at that age. I, myself, have always considered myself to be a "good girl" (have NEVER been in trouble with law in my entire life and I am 47 now) and know from experience that sometimes things can spiral out of control without that person being at fault. I did not mean for anyone to take that statement as TH had a drug addiction or anything as drastic as that. More that it's possible that she may have had an adverse reaction to something, for example.
 
missy1974 said:
pssst Jaiddie.... have you tried getting the crumbs out of your keyboard? LOL

I know the bones have been your biggest issue and I really hope that Zellner clears it all up with some new testing. IMO I do think it's her, but I still have a ton of questions about the bones and their locations and the fact that they just weren't investigated properly.
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Yes, I HAVE tried that, LOL, and nada...as for the rest, yep, just waiting on Zellner to shine a light on everything...:waiting: ;)
 
Jaiddie said:
Throughout these many months of researching these cases, for me, the one thing I have tried to stay away from is speculation as to who the true perpetrator actually was, and I have tried to do that for several reasons. 1) Because of the preposterous way that investigation was handled, I cannot in good conscience, accept ANY of the "evidence" that was supposedly found. It ALL was found or discovered under the most fishy of circumstances. To this day (at least until further testing can be done to conclusively say that those cremains belonged to TH) it has not been proven to me that anything nefarious at all happened to TH while on that property that day. 2) Because of the fact that any information on TH's lifestyle seems to be omitted from the investigation by LE to an alarmingly glaring degree, I cannot speculate,because, for all I know, (if those cremains DO end up belonging to TH) she may have ended up passing from something from her own life choices such as an overdose, which fell into LE hands at the precise moment that they really needed it because of the legal issues they were facing. I know I am going to be blasted by some, saying that "How dare you besmirch the name and reputation of an innocent young victim in all this!!", and I am very sorry about that but from all the information that I have read up on, TH seemed to be an average young woman of 25 who seemed to be living the single life and enjoying it. Many of the photos I have seen posted show her enjoying partying with her friends, and just generally having a good time. Now, we have the RH phone records that have just become public and it shows that, in the midst of his friend's disappearance he is making calls to the WI Department of Safety. While I will admit I am not familiar at all with what that department does, I DID notice when I googled it and went to their homepage that one of the things they are in charge of is "Prescription Drug Monitoring Program" http://dsps.wi.gov/pdmp/ (this definitely makes me go, "Hmmm") 3) And finally, and this is my biggest obstacle and the biggest red flag to me in all of this, and that is the TIMING. What are the odds that this "disappearance" just fell into the laps of the people that so drastically needed it at the precise time that they needed it to the most. TK and DV were going to be facing those upcoming depositions (TK on Oct 10 and DV Oct 15) and to make matters worse TK had just been told that a judge denied his motion to plead the fifth and he would HAVE to answer the questions that were going to be asked of him. Lo and behold all this goes down and SA is arrested Oct 9 and those depositions just magically seem to disappear. I am sorry but I cannot just blow this off as just a fortuitous coincidence, it is just too perfect for those that were going to be affected by those depositions coming out. (The following is as far as speculating as I am willing to go...) For all I know, LE may have had something on TH and she was told that she would be helped in her situation if she helped THEM with their problem. It would explain the family and friends seemingly strange lack of grief during the time of that missing person's search, their lack of questioning LE's actions during that investigation (lack of questioning back then, I could possibly understand, but not now after all of this info has come to light...I would be hopping mad at LE and prosecution today if that were my loved one and all this had come out) Maybe it is because I would rather believe her to be alive and well somewhere, that I am okay speculating about this but not her death. I just don't have enough information to be able to speculate about that at this time since those bones weren't conclusively found to be hers yet. Anyway, this is, of course, all JMHO, and I thought I would throw my :twocents: in there. ;) Postnote: I am apologizing ahead of time because my computer is acting up on me and my enter button won't work so I am having difficulties formatting this correctly, which will probably become apparent once I submit this post. That is a lot of the reason I have not been posting as much lately. Again, I apologize if this ends up being hard to read. :(
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The Wisconsin Department of Public Safety deals with nursing licenses.
 
Article in In Touch magazine, 'Making a Murderer Update: Det. Andrew Colburn Responds to Motion Accusing Investigators of Planting Evidence (Exclusive)' Very short article...awwww, poor Andy!?! :shame:It seems the cat's got his tongue, so all he can come up with is "ludicrous" and it's all because of there's a war against LE. :facepalm:
 
Jaiddie said:
Article in In Touch magazine, 'Making a Murderer Update: Det. Andrew Colburn Responds to Motion Accusing Investigators of Planting Evidence (Exclusive)' Very short article...awwww, poor Andy!?! :shame:It seems the cat's got his tongue, so all he can come up with is "ludicrous" and it's all because of there's a war against LE. :facepalm:
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The only thing I can think of when the word "war" was brought up is David vs Goliah ...
 
Jaiddie said:
Article in In Touch magazine, 'Making a Murderer Update: Det. Andrew Colburn Responds to Motion Accusing Investigators of Planting Evidence (Exclusive)' Very short article...awwww, poor Andy!?! :shame:It seems the cat's got his tongue, so all he can come up with is "ludicrous" and it's all because of there's a war against LE. :facepalm:
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Was there a war against LE 10 years ago? This isn't a new accusation.

He should be excited if he is so confident that SA did this and no one planted any evidence, Zellner's tests should prove that, right?
 
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Looks like the State filed something today (Jeffrey Kassel)

Will watch to see if Skipptop gets a copy and will post if I find it.
 
IIRC Bushnell was put on the case because Zellner needed a local attorney or something like that. Looks like it will now be Richards. Bushnell is also the Director of the Midwest Innocence Project, and she seems like a busy bee (she tweets a lot LOL)
 
Looking at the State response.... it reads like the wrong statute was cited or relied upon in Zellner's Motion she filed last week. This could be the reason Bushnell is no longer on the case LOL Bushnell is licensed to practice in Wisconsin, but isn't from there. Looks like new guy is from Wisconsin, practices in Wisconsin and probably knows/understands the WI court system better. JMO I am by no means saying Bushnell isn't a competent lawyer, but she is very busy on other cases too.

fyi... there was something earlier in this case, maybe in May? maybe the extension? where Bushnell didn't file properly or didn't sign something... something like that.
 
In light of Zellner's new tweet, I've gone back into the latest motion to see exactly what she wants to test. Here is what I have found:

  • Body fluid source testing on TH's key
  • Body fluid source testing on the hood latch.
  • Radiocarbon testing (14c) on SA's blood found in the RAV4.
  • New DNA testing on items not previously tested:
    • the hood prop
    • the battery cable
    • the interior hood release in TH's vehicle
    • the bar that moves the seat in the RAV4 forward
    • the blinker light
    • the lug wrench
    • the purple thong underwear found in the same vehicle the license plates were found)
  • New and improved DNA testing on previously-tested items:
    • the license plates
    • the swabs taken from the victim's car (including the swab of hood latch, swab of the ext door handle, interior passenger door handle, swab of left battery calbe, swab of right battery cable, another swab of interior handle and another swab of exterior handle (the last 2 have different evidence NO.s then the first one's listed, but no driver/passenger info)
    • the key
  • DNA testing on the pelvic bones recovered from the quarry property.
  • DNA testing on the burnt material found at the Radandt deer hunting camp.


and of course...

  • The DNA testing of previously collected swabs and blood stains alleged to contain Mr. Avery's DNA from the RAV4 (earlier ruling from Judge Willis allowing this in the future)

***** it is noted in the motion she wants to do trace testing for the presence of chemicals, solvents, or fibers to determine whether the chemicals or fibers (rubbing) had been used to remove DNA from the victim's key or hood latch.


What Zellner requested for the Radiocarbon (14c) testing:

  • The blood tube containing SA's 1996 blood sample.
  • stains from the RAV4: item A6, A7, A8, A9, A10, A12
  • stains from garage floor: G, I1, J, K, O, P
  • stain from bathroom floor: Y
  • stains from various spots in his house, including molding, couch, cushion, living room door, sink: AA, CF, CG, CQ, CR4.

Requested for alternative DNA Methylation Testing to Age SA's blood in TH's vehicle (in the case that the samples for the radiocarbon testing are too contaminated for the test to produce accurate data) :

  • the swabs/cuttins from the 6 blood spots in the RAV4: A6, A7, A8, A9, A10, A12
  • the swabs/cuttings from the blue Pontaic Grand Am: B1, B2, B3, B4, B5.

Items requested for Trace testing:
  • The rav4 key
  • the buccal swabs taken from SA in 2005 AND 2003.

Ballistics Testing:

  • the bullet fragment recovered from SA's garage: Item FL
  • unspent .22 LR shells from SA's bedroom.

Fingerprint Comparison

  • request for the fingerprints of Officers Colborn and Lenk.
  • Motorola Razr: Item BM (this is listed under Fingerprint comparison in the motion)
 
The one thing that I had not noticed before doing the above list is that they had buccal swabs from 2003 from SA. Maybe I did know it and forgot lol

I was trying to go through what she was testing and who would come forward knowing what she requested to test.... my list did not get much smaller LOL So many possibilities. I have always thought Ertl wanted to say more though... he made it quite clear in that email to Fassbender that he didn't photograph the burn pit because it was "obviously altered", I wonder what else he observed. JMO
 
missy1974 said:
In light of Zellner's new tweet, I've gone back into the latest motion to see exactly what she wants to test. Here is what I have found:

  • Body fluid source testing on TH's key
  • Body fluid source testing on the hood latch.
  • Radiocarbon testing (14c) on SA's blood found in the RAV4.
  • New DNA testing on items not previously tested:
    • the hood prop
    • the battery cable
    • the interior hood release in TH's vehicle
    • the bar that moves the seat in the RAV4 forward
    • the blinker light
    • the lug wrench
    • the purple thong underwear found in the same vehicle the license plates were found)
  • New and improved DNA testing on previously-tested items:
    • the license plates
    • the swabs taken from the victim's car (including the swab of hood latch, swab of the ext door handle, interior passenger door handle, swab of left battery calbe, swab of right battery cable, another swab of interior handle and another swab of exterior handle (the last 2 have different evidence NO.s then the first one's listed, but no driver/passenger info)
    • the key
  • DNA testing on the pelvic bones recovered from the quarry property.
  • DNA testing on the burnt material found at the Radandt deer hunting camp.


and of course...

  • The DNA testing of previously collected swabs and blood stains alleged to contain Mr. Avery's DNA from the RAV4 (earlier ruling from Judge Willis allowing this in the future)

***** it is noted in the motion she wants to do trace testing for the presence of chemicals, solvents, or fibers to determine whether the chemicals or fibers (rubbing) had been used to remove DNA from the victim's key or hood latch.


What Zellner requested for the Radiocarbon (14c) testing:

  • The blood tube containing SA's 1996 blood sample.
  • stains from the RAV4: item A6, A7, A8, A9, A10, A12
  • stains from garage floor: G, I1, J, K, O, P
  • stain from bathroom floor: Y
  • stains from various spots in his house, including molding, couch, cushion, living room door, sink: AA, CF, CG, CQ, CR4.

Requested for alternative DNA Methylation Testing to Age SA's blood in TH's vehicle (in the case that the samples for the radiocarbon testing are too contaminated for the test to produce accurate data) :

  • the swabs/cuttins from the 6 blood spots in the RAV4: A6, A7, A8, A9, A10, A12
  • the swabs/cuttings from the blue Pontaic Grand Am: B1, B2, B3, B4, B5.

Items requested for Trace testing:
  • The rav4 key
  • the buccal swabs taken from SA in 2005 AND 2003.

Ballistics Testing:

  • the bullet fragment recovered from SA's garage: Item FL
  • unspent .22 LR shells from SA's bedroom.

Fingerprint Comparison

  • request for the fingerprints of Officers Colborn and Lenk.
  • Motorola Razr: Item BM (this is listed under Fingerprint comparison in the motion)
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All I have to say after reviewing this list EXTENSIVELY is

Someone, or multiple someone's, had better start crossing off their bucket list!:rolleyes: When Zellner is through with this case, there's a perp or two, who will be trapped like the RATS they are, for a very long time:jail:
IMO
 
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I am SO happy to hear I am NOT alone:happydance: You wouldn't believe the " crumbs " I lose in my keyboard at times:blushing:


missy1974 said:
pssst Jaiddie.... have you tried getting the crumbs out of your keyboard? LOL

I know the bones have been your biggest issue and I really hope that Zellner clears it all up with some new testing. IMO I do think it's her, but I still have a ton of questions about the bones and their locations and the fact that they just weren't investigated properly.
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