AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[Trooper]

If there are any ladies in websleuths, on this thread who can elaborate on what Centrelink would be cutting Karlie off from her payment in 2011 for, I would appreciate the info. It seems careless in a way of Centrelink to do this without some confirmation of Karlie's situation (or anyones, really ) .. she is a young girl with a young child, I just wondered if Centrelink just stopped payment without any further ado, just boom, .. what would be the leadup to that? what would they have been requiring of 'Karlie', that 'Karlie, the female impersonator of ' would go without the money rather than attempt to provide what Centrelink wanted at the time?

taking into consideration that the impersonator had already been successful in prolonging the payments for years.....

 

[1968]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

A couple of new snippets here. (either the Daily Mail has constant new info, or they just change stuff to try and fan reader interest.)

I apologise in advance for the wading through old info you will have to do to get there.

-that the the missing persons report was called off by the police, not the family.

-that Karlies last known address was in Alice Springs.(where her mail goes to right? )

 

[Makara]

Wow now THAT would take some front wouldn't it! I would have thought that the Dept of Transport would have Karlie's original pic on file and would update it when a new one is required. Photo ID being such a prized commodity and there are very few categories of it which are acceptable under the points system. Breathtaking as that would be as a part of their bold fraud, I just honestly can't see them pulling that part off ?

Absolutely it would take some front. The same as rocking up to a bank and a Centerlink office and passing yourself off as someone else takes some front. If a driver's license was doctored simply for the purpose of identity theft and fraud, the Dept. of Transport wouldn't even have to sight it. Would the bank or Centrelink contact the Dept of Transport about it. I think not. They'd just note that they'd sighted the customer's driver's license.

 

[KG1]

It seems to me, that at some stage, someone would have noticed that Haze had a bit of extra income.. you would think the eggthrowing carer would notice that, but at the same time, I reckon Hazel would be as smooth as butter with any story... 'oh it's interest from my TAC payout,'... She would be good at hiding things, too, no one would ever find the 'Karlie ' card...


one of the mysteries I just cant get a handle on. The payments stopped, around 2011. .. Centrelink spat the dummy over something, some issue, and I cant think what it could be, considering the hurdles Hazel had already jumped over. . What made her/them give the game away ? what was the obstacle for this to go on? Khandalyce would have been officially 5.. school grant?

Centrelink will require immunisation certificates for payments or part of payments to continue. Perhaps the 'issue' was the requirement to produce up to date immunisation records for Khandalyce. Of course this could not be provided as Kandalyce was last immunised when she 18 months old and nothing further, as she was dead 12 months after that.

To meet the immunisation requirements for Family Tax Benefit Part A supplement you need to have your children immunised during the financial years that each child turns 1, 2 and 5 years of age. (From DHS website).

There was no immunisation record for the financial year Khandalyce turned 2, which was 2008. Further, no immunisation record for the year she would have turned 5, being June 2011. So, I think the 'issue' was likely to be failure to immunise, in part at least. MOO

 

[twilight_sparkle]

I've been thinking about how the pin number was obtained for the card to be used. Just a hypothetical situation -

Karlie to HP - "I've got to go away again, not looking forward to the long journey with Khandalyce in the car"
HP - "leave her with me, she'll be fine and a lovely playmate for my little girl"
Karlie - OK, here's my card and pin just in case you need anything for her, thanks so much"

Sadly, she didn't come back to collect her little girl.

I'll admit to giving a friend my bank card and pin number just in case, I have two accounts, it's easy to do.

JMO

 

[Makara]

I've been thinking about how the pin number was obtained for the card to be used. Just a hypothetical situation -

Karlie to HP - "I've got to go away again, not looking forward to the long journey with Khandalyce in the car"
HP - "leave her with me, she'll be fine and a lovely playmate for my little girl"
Karlie - OK, here's my card and pin just in case you need anything for her, thanks so much"

Sadly, she didn't come back to collect her little girl.

I'll admit to giving a friend my bank card and pin number just in case, I have two accounts, it's easy to do.

JMO

That's entirely possible twilight sparkle and a more gentle scenario than the alternatives of how Karlie's pin number was acquired.

 

[Wolfinator]

Yes, I think she believed she was sending it to Karlie.
Obviously this is all 100% guesswork, but remember how the police said that Karlie's phone had been used to contact family and friends?

Bray: "“We believe that the phone was kept by the offenders and used to provide some proof of life and to mislead family, friends,law enforcement by suggesting that Karlie was still alive because of activity on her phone.”
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/27/texts-karlie-pearce-stevenson-phone-sent-family-years-after

Imagine the scenario where Karlie runs from Alice Springs to HP in Adelaide and leaves a bank access card with her.
She is scared and doesn't want whoever she is running from to catch her.
So she arranges for HP to withdraw cash and then send it to her, wherever she is.
This creates the impression that she is still in Adelaide.

Unfortunately, someone else knows of the arrangement and after Karlie's death they continue contacting "family and friends" and getting money sent to them (even though HP and the family all think they are sending it to Karlie).

It was the "and friends" in the statement by Bray that originally lead me to this conclusion, and that is now strengthened IMO by the fact that HP has not been charged with any crime.

Frankly, and this is both interesting and very, very sad, but no other person has ever been mentioned as a friend of Karlie's; no other person who might have been "mislead", so I assume the friend is HP.

Mmmmm. Interesting. I'd read that and assumed it was Karlie's Alice Springs friends - like the ones who set up and commented on Facebook pages etc looking for her and urging her to come home. It could also be friends of colleens texting / calling - people who were not family but knew Karlie all her life and knew Colleen was dying. The impersonator would have had to keep them all at a distance.


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[Bohemian]

I think I've found a simple way that I can decide on HP's status as Karlie's former friend vs her frenemy (which seems to be the most important and contentious topic of debate on this thread and which gives a great deal more attention to HP than she warrants).

If HP turns up to Karlie's and Khandalyce's funeral; I can be fairly certain she was genuinely Karlie's friend. If she doesn't; I will be able to draw no other conclusion than she was instead masquerading as such.

My Pop used to tell me that 'actions speak louder than words'. I believe he was right and, in the digital age, it's much easier than ever before for people to 'talk the talk' without ever having to 'walk the walk'.
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My opinion.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think I've found a simple way that I can decide on HP's status as Karlie's former friend vs her frenemy (which seems to be the most important and contentious topic of debate on this thread and which gives a great deal more attention to HP than she warrants).

If HP turns up to Karlie's and Khandalyce's funeral; I can be fairly certain she was genuinely Karlie's friend. If she doesn't; I will be able to draw no other conclusion other than she was instead masquerading as such.

My Pop used to tell me that 'actions speak louder than words'. I believe he was right and, in the digital age, it's much easier for people to 'talk the talk' without having to 'walk the walk'.
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My opinion.

Never ever would she do that (attending funeral), IMO, because she can't be innocent enough, IMO too.

If I were Karlie's stepfather/stepbrother/auntie/uncle/cousin etc., in no case I would want her to see at the ceremony. Apart from anything else, HP is also the perennial ex-partner of Karlie's murderer.

 

[Bohemian]

If there are any ladies in websleuths, on this thread who can elaborate on what Centrelink would be cutting Karlie off from her payment in 2011 for, I would appreciate the info. It seems careless in a way of Centrelink to do this without some confirmation of Karlie's situation (or anyones, really ) .. she is a young girl with a young child, I just wondered if Centrelink just stopped payment without any further ado, just boom, .. what would be the leadup to that? what would they have been requiring of 'Karlie', that 'Karlie, the female impersonator of ' would go without the money rather than attempt to provide what Centrelink wanted at the time?

taking into consideration that the impersonator had already been successful in prolonging the payments for years.....

Strange as it may seem, Troop, 'gentlemen' as well as 'ladies' draw on Single Parent and Family Tax benefits

You might like to check out my post on 27/11 on this thread, which gives extensive information on Centrelink's requirements for both types of claims (currently and in 2010):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...tevenson-(Belanglo)-8&p=12211952#post12211952

 

[Wolfinator]

The idea that HP & KP are "friends" postmortem is not one I come even close to reconciling. And all the ideas to float that angle have been flimsy at best and at worst seem a strange definition of friendship.


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[Bohemian]

Never ever would she do that (attending funeral), IMO, because she can't be innocent enough, IMO too.

If I were Karlie's stepfather/stepbrother/auntie/uncle/cousin etc., in no case I would want her to see at the ceremony. Apart from anything else, HP is also the perennial ex-partner of Karlie's murderer.

The idea that HP & KP are "friends" postmortem is not one I come even close to reconciling. And all the ideas to float that angle have been flimsy at best and at worst seem a strange definition of friendship.


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I have always leant toward your POV, FG and Wolfie but, if HP is as good loyal and long term friend of Karlie's as she's said to be; regardless of the fact that Karlie was allegedly murdered by DJH, HP's former partner, what other reason could there be for her not to be invited to the funeral? Or for her not to attend? Surely, if Karlie's family knew HP was such a good friend of Karlie's they wouldn't hold DJH's alleged crime(s) against her?

I know my questions are almost offensive to many of our sensibilities; including mine. Personally, HP's purported friendship with Karlie has never passed the 'sniff test' for me; in fact, the whole notion of it 'stinks to high heaven'.

I am just becoming weary of, in my mind what seems to be, the quite unnecessary and unwarranted attention and debate given over to HP's guilt or innocence throughout this, and other, threads. The facts that Karlie and Khandalyce were both brutally murdered, and of their and their family's indisputable innocence, trumps any sympathetic consideration toward all other 'players'; including HP, as far as I'm concerned.

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My opinion.

 

[plongi]

They never identified Kandalyce through non imunization. I thought that was a bit of a slip up.

Centrelink will require immunisation certificates for payments or part of payments to continue. Perhaps the 'issue' was the requirement to produce up to date immunisation records for Khandalyce. Of course this could not be provided as Kandalyce was last immunised when she 18 months old and nothing further, as she was dead 12 months after that.

To meet the immunisation requirements for Family Tax Benefit Part A supplement you need to have your children immunised during the financial years that each child turns 1, 2 and 5 years of age. (From DHS website).

There was no immunisation record for the financial year Khandalyce turned 2, which was 2008. Further, no immunisation record for the year she would have turned 5, being June 2011. So, I think the 'issue' was likely to be failure to immunise, in part at least. MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Centrelink:

When HP pretended to be Karlie since 12/08, she had to provide certain information to Centrelink, suitable only for the dead Karlie and as correct as possible.
When HP wanted to receive support for herself, she had to give completely different information to Centrelink. Mainly the car crash incl. death of her children would have been a huge change re the Centrelink support (double bereavement associated with costs, severe accident associated with paralysis / amputation /working incapacity).
How did she manage these many applications for two different women???

When Centrelink 2011 (?) had an issue with information and stopped the payment, did HP before get tangled with all this data and Centrelink became aware perhaps?

HP had to give information (changing mostly constantly with each new application) for Karlie, Khandalyce and herself incl. child/partner:

address
name
age
number of children
age of children
income
employer
partner in household (maybe income)
1., 2., 3. father of children
peculiarities
cases of death

and so on ...

 

[plongi]

Karlies friends ?
I don't think she had any real true close friends. She wasn't sighted for 7 years and no one really made a big noise.
I think that is why she was targeted for fraud as she could easily disappear.
These type of low life see the opportunities and weakness in life and exploit it as best they can.
My family is estranged. My father died and I never knew until a friend from the past bumped into me offered condolences. News to me I said .. and I come from a large family. Some new some didn't no one told any one else.

 

[plongi]

and if they did become aware why dont they go and check on peoples welfare.
Big holes in our society

Centrelink:

When HP pretended to be Karlie since 12/08, she had to provide certain information to Centrelink, suitable only for the dead Karlie and as correct as possible.
When HP wanted to receive support for herself, she had to give completely different information to Centrelink. Mainly the car crash incl. death of her children would have been a huge change re the Centrelink support (double bereavement associated with costs, severe accident associated with paralysis / amputation /working incapacity).
How did she manage these many applications for two different women???

When Centrelink 2011 (?) had an issue with information and stopped the payment, did HP before get tangled with all this data and Centrelink became aware perhaps?

HP had to give information (changing mostly constantly with each new application):

address
name
age
number of children
age of children
income
employer
partner in household (maybe income)
1., 2., 3. father of children
peculiarities
cases of death

and so on ...

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I have always leant toward your POV, FG and Wolfie but, if HP is as good loyal and long term friend of Karlie's as she's said to be; regardless of the fact that Karlie was allegedly murdered by DJH, HP's former partner, what other reason could there be for her not to be invited to the funeral? Or for her not to attend? Surely, if Karlie's family knew HP was such a good friend of Karlie's they wouldn't hold DJH's alleged crime(s) against her?

I know my questions are almost offensive to many of our sensibilities; including mine. Personally, HP's purported friendship with Karlie has never passed the 'sniff test' for me; in fact, the whole notion of it 'stinks to high heaven'.

I am just becoming weary of, in my mind what seems to be, the quite unnecessary and unwarranted attention and debate given over to HP's guilt or innocence throughout this, and other, threads. The facts that Karlie and Khandalyce were both brutally murdered, and of their and their family's indisputable innocence, trumps any sympathetic consideration toward all other 'players'; including HP, as far as I'm concerned.

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My opinion.

I'm sorry, Bohemian, but I think, HP is one of the 2 women and she must have known a lot if not all about the deaths/killings.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638

"We need to determine if the people involved in the frauds are involved in the murder and it is most likely that one or more may be involved in some way.

"It's clear that some of the people involved in the frauds knew without doubt that Karlie and Khandalyce were dead and continued with their role.

"In respect to what we know about the suspects involved in the financial aspects of the bank account transactions, Centrelink fraud and the use of the phone, I can say that we know that at least one offender was a male. There may have been more, and at least two are females.

"Those suspects either resided at, or are associated with or were listed in connection with, properties at Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood in Canberra."

 

[Panda]

I'm sorry, Bohemian, but I think, HP is one of the 2 women and she must have known a lot if not all about the deaths/killings.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638

"We need to determine if the people involved in the frauds are involved in the murder and it is most likely that one or more may be involved in some way.

"It's clear that some of the people involved in the frauds knew without doubt that Karlie and Khandalyce were dead and continued with their role.

"In respect to what we know about the suspects involved in the financial aspects of the bank account transactions, Centrelink fraud and the use of the phone, I can say that we know that at least one offender was a male. There may have been more, and at least two are females.

"Those suspects either resided at, or are associated with or were listed in connection with, properties at Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood in Canberra."

I've read that phrase "... and at least two are females" a number of times. It sounds very definite to me. Not, we think there maybe two females, or possibly two females, but "at least two are females".

 

[Bohemian]

I'm sorry, Bohemian, but I think, HP is one of the 2 women and she must have known a lot if not all about the deaths/killings.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...dentity-stolen-phone-used-after-death/6888638

"We need to determine if the people involved in the frauds are involved in the murder and it is most likely that one or more may be involved in some way.

"It's clear that some of the people involved in the frauds knew without doubt that Karlie and Khandalyce were dead and continued with their role.

"In respect to what we know about the suspects involved in the financial aspects of the bank account transactions, Centrelink fraud and the use of the phone, I can say that we know that at least one offender was a male. There may have been more, and at least two are females.

"Those suspects either resided at, or are associated with or were listed in connection with, properties at Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood in Canberra."

No need to be sorry, hon. I agree with you. I don't think, for one minute, HP would attend, or even be invited to attend, their funerals; not even in my wildest fantasies.

Suggesting HP's attendance at Karlie's and Khandalyce's funeral may just be a ridiculous enough notion to halt the unwarranted and unnecessary amount of attention being afforded her on this thread and others.

 

[Trooper]

'A missing person report on Ms Pearce-Stevenson and her daughter was filed in September 2009 - almost a year after she was spotted driving a red Commodore wagon on the Stuart Highway in Coober Pedy - however it was closed only days later after police believe they made contact with the young mother, who had decided not to speak with her family'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-murdered-mother-daughter.html#ixzz3t75tPpyq
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this bit caught my eye, up until now I believed that Colleen had called off the Missing Persons search, but from this, and if what I read is correct, the police made contact with the impersonator and THEY were fooled as well. Plus, the impersonator had a cool enough nerve to carry this call off,.. not a bad days work, if you can do it, added to which the impersonator manages to get the police to get the family off the boil as well. How cunning is that ?